If Tannehill has to have surgery

Wondering that myself. Seems strange to wait all this time if he needed surgery, unless the recovery time is much less than the normal ACL repair? Some quick reading on WebMD (is this trustworthy?) indicates you can often (60% of one study) rehab from an ACL tear and avoid surgery.

 

I think he'll be back in time.

 

The problem with Suh's contract is that it has already been renegotiated, and there was a clause in his contract that stated his contract could only be renegotiated once.

The entire 19 mil is fully guaranteed next year, nothing can be done about that, the following years though, yikes, 26 mil in '18, with a 22 mil dead cap hit, then 28 mil in '19, but there is only 13 mil in dead cap that year, so we are stuck with him until 2019.

RT's contract is different, he can, and should renegotiate, if Gase still wants him, which I doubt.

He can be cut and designated as a June 1st cut, which would spread his dead cap hit over 2 years and give a savings of 15 mil next year.

Suh we are stuck with, RT not at all.

 

As for Suh's contract, it has a clause in it that allows the Dolphins to convert guaranteed salary to a guaranteed bonus as many times as they like.

"Player and Club agree that on one or more occasions and at any time during the duration of this contract, club shall have the option to convert a portion of player's 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and/or 2020 Paragraph 5 (base salary) into signing bonus, subject to forfeiture only for the league year of such converted compensation. Player and club agree that an email an/or phone call from the club to the player or player's certified agent shall suffice to notify player that club is exercising its rights under this paragraph and will make such a conversion, the amount thereof and the effective date of the conversion."

 

That isn't a renegotiation though, all that is is moving guaranteed money they already owe him and creating more dead cap space, and higher salary cap hits, as it is, he counts 26 mil in '18, and 28 mil in 19, and only half of his 19 mil next year is salary.

Taking guaranteed salary and turning it into bonus would just raise those numbers, and the dead cap.

His dead cap is currently 41 mil, lol, I'm not sure it would be a good idea to raise that even higher.

 

That's correct but that is the clause they used last year to restructure his contract. You said his contract only allowed them to do it once which is incorrect. They can restructure it as often as they like, but there are those consequences. This is actually a pretty nifty aspect of Suh's contract because it allows the FO to instantly create cap space in any given year without even contacting Suh. That comes in handy if you are in a bidding war on a FA and prevents teams from structuring deals so we can't match (like Buffalo did with Clay).

 

I was talking renegotiation, not restructure, they can be different, and I thought that was in his contract, 1 renegotiation, and that they actually brought him in to renegotiate that deal last year, which would preclude any other renegotiations, as in, asking him to take lass money, but I may be wrong on that.

As opposed to RT, who is in a very renegotiable position, they can ask him to take less money with the option of releasing him, and he'd probably not get the same money elsewhere that he is currently scheduled to make.

I doubt any team would pay him 20 mil+ per year as a 6th year QB that still has a lot to prove, someone might, but that is a gamble.

Suh on the other hand, is in the cat birds seat, even if a renegotiation is possible, there is zero incentive for Suh to do such a thing, he has 41 million hooks in the Dolphins, lol, if he was cut/released/traded today that is how much he would be owed.

Suh, at this point is actually even untradable, because of the restructure there was 20 mil in dead cap added to his contract.

 

To renegotiate a contract means to negotiate it again so there really is no point in putting a clause in a contract that says you can renegotiate it. You can renegotiate any contract to restructure the payments. The whole point of the clause in Suh's contract is that it allows the Phins the freedom to restructure the payments at their discretion. Suh may have been in the building last year when they restructured his contract but that was either just a courtesy to him or a coincidence. The quote above is the actual language from the contract. Notice the last sentence:

Player and club agree that an email an/or phone call from the club to the player or player's certified agent shall suffice to notify player that club is exercising its rights under this paragraph and will make such a conversion, the amount thereof and the effective date of the conversion.

No negotiation, just an email or call saying how they are restructuring it.

 

Yes I understand that, but again, that isn't renegotiations, and players do have those clauses in their contract so they don't get asked to lower their salary.

What you are posting pertains to guaranteed money, money they owe him regardless, that is simply restructuring guaranteed money, a renegotiation is sitting down at the table again to change the parameters of the contract, as in asking him to take a pay cut.

As I said, I could be wrong, but I remember them saying only 1 renegotiation in his contract, which would be much different than moving around guaranteed money, which doesn't really change the parameters of the contract, as it is all money he will get regardless.

This was all in response to DirtyLandry when he said the contracts need to be redone, in RTs case that is possible, but I'm not sure it's even possible for the Dolphins to ask Suh to take less, and even if it is, there is no reason for him to do so, he's holding all the cards right now.

 

There is a nuance here that you don't seem to be understanding. When you renegotiate a contract you are essentially ripping up the old one and starting over. So there is no point to put a stipulation in the old contract that you can do it only once because as soon as you renegotiate a new contract that old contract is gone including that renegotiation clause. Also since its a new negotiation, the player has to agree to the terms and can always say no, so the only effect a non-renegotiation clause would have is "don't even ask". Now for any clause in a contract to be effective it has to have repercussions. What would the repercussions be for a team that violated a 1 time renegotiation clause? Most likely it would void the original contract. Now if a team is asking a player to renegotiate then its likely that player isn't worth what his existing contract would pay him (otherwise they are just asking him to get paid less than he is worth) and he won't be able to replicate his contract from another team. So even if a team violated the non-renegotiation clause, it would still be in the players interest to hear what they are offering as it may be more than he could get on the open market. Bottom line is that a non-renegotiation clause is a pretty confrontational stance to put in a contract that in practice has little teeth to it. If its in any player's contract its there only as window dressing for the player.

So regardless of whether Suh has a non-renegotiation clause (I doubt it since he is reportedly pretty business savy and would understand its meaningless) the FO could approach him to renegotiate if they thought he was being overpaid.

 

Absolutely crazy to think that anyone making decisions would even consider cutting Tannehill.

 

He's not getting cut, he's not getting renegotiated, he's not going to be in a battle with matt Moore next year. When he's healthy, he's our starting qb case closed

 

You can renegotiate a current contract.

 

Absolutely, you can always renegoitiate a contact but you have to convince the other party to agree to negotiate again. The only caveat is that the CBA restricts teams from renegotiating rookie contracts within the first 3 years.