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Timmons AWOL - Suspended Indefinitely- Update: Forgiveness Possible

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Sep 17, 2017.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  2. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Timmons can GFHS.
     
  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Whatever it is, not sure going public on radio right after game day is the best plan here.

    Surely you want to ensure things are smooth with the team, then let them respond, no? Especially since Gase said that he wasn't ready to comment.
     
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  4. dirtylandry

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  5. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    I think it mean Go F HimSelf
     
  6. Colmax

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    Any word?
     
  7. brandon27

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    And if it's something personal that caused him to leave, that's well warranted I hope you'll eat your words, appologize, and realize that there's more to life than a football game.

    If he flat out quit on the team over a demotion, play time, role. or whatever, then yeah, I'm with you. But, before being ridiculous about it lets at least wait to figure out whats happened. I mean... we won today... after an unanticipated week 1 bye due to a hurricane that likely screwed with alot of our guys and their families living local. Lets just calm down, wait for the facts, then go from there. Why the constant need to over-react before we have some facts?
     
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  8. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I agree about waiting to get the facts. But what should you/us consider a reasonable excuse for this? Family would be the only thing for me and even then there has to be some accountability, right?
     
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  9. Redwine4all

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    In ANY case, there is a proper way to leave. the team didnt even know what happened to him. So I dont care what the details are, he handled leaving wrong. Hes a sorry person and a worse teammate..
     
  10. brandon27

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    I dont know, I can't answer that. It's going to be different for everybody. You may draw the line at family. Others may extend that line to family, and a personal issue such as addiction, or whatever. Who knows really... That's what I'm saying... we have no idea what's going on at this point, so why jump to conclusions and make comments such as he can go **** himself? It's just... it's just a knee jerk reaction to something we have no information on at this point, and it's... stupid. Sure, I guess if you say it now, you can come back in a day or two when facts come out and maybe claim to be "right", but why is that important? These guys are still people, with lives, with problems and issues like anyone else. Cut them some slack.

    Again, if Timmons took off on this team because he's unhappy with his role, or some other coaching decision, then... I'm going to be pretty bitter about that too... but to sit here now, knowing nothing, saying stuff like that... it's just awful, know what I mean?

    Sure there's got to be accountability, but I think if you look at Timmon's career... his streak of consecutive games started... being a good team guy over his career, you kind of have to look at it and just wait and see what actually happened... it's not like this is Dion Jordan here, who's continuously ****ed himself, and his career over and over, and over again. Something happened... if it's a negative reaction on Timmons' part due to a coaching/team decision.. then absolutely, there's got to be consequences, and whatever **** comes may be deserved, but if it's not that... then lets cut the guy some slack until we know.
     
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  11. brandon27

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    Well, heaven forbid you ever make a bad decision in your life. I guess you're perfect, and have the perfect life, right?

    Seriously, just wait for some facts. I dont necessarily disagree. Of course there's a right way to leave if you have to leave, but... who knows what happened. Again, if he didnt just handle a coaches decision properly and left... then I'm with you. If it's something beyond that... then I'm willing to give a guy who's never really been an issue in his lengthy career some slack. It's no ideal, i get that... but there's life outside of work, or a game. Hopefully for your sake your boss doesn't hold you to the same accountability standards you want him to be held to.

    I'm an extremely accountable, and reliable person, my job requires me to be self motivated, self managed from a work, and time management standpoint, but you know what... sometimes **** happens in life, and people/managers give you that flexibility if need be.

    Maybe it's warranted, maybe it's not. The way Gase addressed it in his PC tonight, gives me the idea that maybe, just maybe it wasnt warranted in the team's eyes which could, and should pose problems, or discipline for Timmons.... I'm just saying... until we actually know, can we just calm down. Sucks what happened today, but we found a way to win.
     
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  12. Puka-head

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    I totally agree with you
    Early reports say it was something outside the team that caused this. Even so. There is a commitment to the team also. I'm saying if ity was family, and he had to choose between team and family, then family has to win that and I understand having to make that decision and would agree that family vs job family wins every time and flip the consequences.

    But regardless of the reason, Timmons no showed for work today. That's no Bueno and there should be consequences. That's true if you are making minimum wage at McD's or playing pro ball.
     
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  13. Puka-head

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    All due respect brah but calling someone a sorry person when you got no idea what the ish is going on is a little...sorry personish.
     
  14. Puka-head

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    That just made me feel all icky and Conservative. But I hold all my 70 employees and myself to that standard so why not Timmons.
     
  15. ChrisKo

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    So no one watched it? If you did, can you please relay what was said for those of us not living in Miami? Thanks!
     
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  16. Fin-O

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    If it was a family matter it would've already been reported and the dolphins wouldn't have had to "look for him".

    It's very likely that Timmons can GFH.


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  17. Galant

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  18. dirtylandry

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    I think he deserves the benefit of the dout. He is an 11 year pro. Miami wanted him. The entire two weeks could make anyone crack, between travel, not seeing family and not being home. He probably was on the phone with Comcast because I have been on the phone with them regardig outages and I get super angry


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  19. firedan

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    I don't think his agent can explain how he quit on the team.He is more than likely done in Miami.He did go F himself and the team.
     
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  20. Redwine4all

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    Wow. This post is just ridiculous. But ok, i'll answer it.

    Yes, I have made bad decisions. No, I am not perfect. In either case, my "life" is irrelevant here. I know if I had an important role at work and I just blew off my boss, my workmates, my responsibilities, I would probably get fired. No one would be "waiting on facts". Seriously.

    If something happened with his family...or something else personal...then tell the coach and leave. We HAVE that fact. The team didn't know what had happened to him. He just left. I don't care what the reason is, that's wrong. If you can't make that decision, that's your business. I can.

    We KNOW its not warranted, but you want to "appear" to open minded, kind, understanding...Ok, you win the "self righteous' Award of the week. I bestow upon you a medal. Feel better?

    I don't owe Lawrence Timmons a thing. Not respect, not understanding, not a calm reaction. What he did was selfish and irresponsible. He should be suspended for whatever the league will allow without pay.
     
  21. Redwine4all

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    All due respect to you, brah...that's garbage. I do have an idea. He LEFT without using proper protocol. If not, Gase would be able to comment. Timmons is a selfish punk. To not see that is sorry personish.
     
  22. Redwine4all

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    Exactly.
     
  23. Redwine4all

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    LOL...

    I remember being deployed in the Middle east. There were many "problems" back home. If I left without proper protocol, that's desertion and AWOL. I would have been severely punished. I had a family member die when I was there. I needed to come home. I followed the process. To just leave because your feelings are hurt is unacceptable.
     
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  25. Galant

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    Messy scenario but I think perhaps we can all agree on this - so far Gase has shown himself not afraid to be a disciplinarian. I doubt he will either ignore the issue just to keep talent, or throw away redeemable talent because of disciplinary issues. He'll try to make the best decision (including considerations for how this affects the 'team' implications of how Timmons may have hurt/let down his teammates).

    Let's see what happens.
     
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  26. Redwine4all

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    Miami needs him more than he needs Miami? Really? Who's paying his salary? What other team has 6 million dollars to give this little beatch his money?

    If he doesn't want to play, thats fine, retire. But to quit like a little beeatch is not fine. His punishment needs to be suspended without pay. This is bigger than Timmons. Gase has to get control of this team and let everyone know if you do something like this, there are going to be severe consequences. Would Belichick tolerate it? Neither should we.
     
  27. Galant

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    Here's the best breakdown I've found on the situation so far, with just the limited information there is:

    From Steelers Depot
    "After the Miami game was over, Dolphins head coach Adam Gase indicated he wasn’t ready to talk about the situation with Timmons.

    “I’m not saying anything right now,” Gase said during his post-game press conference, according to Pro Football Talk. “I need to figure some things out first before I talk about this.”

    Timmons failing to play Sunday put an end to his streak of 101 consecutive starts. The Steelers former first-round draft pick had last missed a game in 2009.

    After the Steelers game against the Minnesota Vikings was over, a few defensive players were asked about their former teammate and specifically if they had heard about what happened earlier in the day with Timmons. None of them appeared to know what exactly happened, according to a few media reports.


    “I’m about to call him tonight, though, and see what’s up with him,” Steelers linebacker Vince Williams said, according to Jacob Klinger of pennlive.com.

    Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reported earlier Sunday that Timmons had not been arrested and did not run afoul of the law.

    It certainly will be interesting to see what ultimately happens with this situation with Timmons as it was certainly out of character for him to leave the team the way he did. The veteran linebacker signed a two year, $12 million contract with the Dolphins this past March after failing to come to an agreement with the Steelers.

    Timmons’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, was a guest Sunday night on WSVN’s 7Sports Xtra and he was asked by host Steve Shapiro if he could shed some light on what’s going on with his client right now.

    “Unfortunately, Steve, not a lot,” Rosenhaus said. “It’s a private matter. I’d love to be able to shed some light on it, but I can’t.”

    Rosenhaus was then asked if he’s concerned about the situation with Timmons.

    “It’s of a personal matter nature of Lawrence and when he gets back to Miami and we get together and converse with the Dolphins, then obviously there will be a joint statement on it,” Rosenhaus said.

    Rosenhaus was then asked if he thinks Timmons will play next week.

    “I dont know,” he relied."
     
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  28. Redwine4all

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    Timmons is pathetic. That was a total unprofessional move from a player one would expect unparalleled professionalism. I have no use for him at all--I hope Gase doesn't either.

    Imagine if we playing a big game late in the year. Can ANYONE trust that he is going to show up? If there is ANY doubt about him, he should be 100% on the shelf.

    It doesn't really matter how "good" he is...if you can't trust that he will show up, he's no good at all. He certainly wasn't in LA yesterday, was he?
     
  29. muskrat21

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    go away dude. people have lives too. NFL is just entertainment for us. these guys are literally sacrificing 40 years of their health just so you can be entertained, and you're pissed off. THIS IS ENTERTAINMENT..... pls stop commenting on this, you sound a lot like roger g, not caring about people's lives or health, you just want the entertainment and money.
     
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  30. Bumrush

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    If it was a mental breakdown you really can't blame Timmons. I'm as pissed as everyone else about him but with CTE becoming more and more prevalent (or at least recognized) you can't fully demonize the man until the facts come out. Maybe he is ill and needs help.

    Again, I'm beyond agitated but still.
     
  31. Redwine4all

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    ROFL....i want money? Surely you jest. I don't get paid a cent.

    I understand everyone has a life. I also understand when you CHOOSE to play a game for a living, and make millions of dollars entertaining "US" (you seem to like it, too), then you are fair game for criticism.

    I don't really care what happened to timmons. I don't care if its HIS LIFE or he was just pissed. I don't care if he hates Miami or if its something really serious. There is a PROCESS that everyone needs to follow. He decided that doesn't apply to him. So, any and all criticism is fair, and its independent of the facts in the case. You don't just leave. If there is a death, you tell someone and leave. If you want to quit, you tell someone and leave.

    I am showing that POS Timmons the same amount of respect he showed his employers and teammates. To hell with Timmons.
     
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  32. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I tend to agree with you but if we was mentally incapacitated or delusional there isn't much he could have done.
     
  33. Redwine4all

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    Agree. And if he is mentally incapacitated or delusional, we don't need him around. If he's not, and he's just irresponsible, we don't need him around.
     
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  35. Fin D

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    Or he had one lapse in judgement in his entire career. And unlike others, it didn't involve anything illegal (that we know of).

    This loyalty to the team bullcrap is silly considering the teams rarely have loyalty to the players.
     
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    If he just simply quit on the team and is looking to get signed somewhere else, the NFL needs to place a large fine on his ***. Then every player would start doing the same to get out of their situation.
     
  37. Galant

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    "And then there was that embarrassing issue with linebacker Lawrence Timmons leaving the team Saturday.

    Timmons, apparently dealing with a personal situation that made him so unhappy he headed to the airport on his own to go home, put the good of the team at risk on Sunday. At a time when the Dolphins are talking about being unified and a family and a brotherhood, Timmons simply became a solo act.

    And so his Dolphins career is at risk now.

    “I’m still kind of, I’ll be ready to talk about that, probably tomorrow,” Gase said. “I’m not saying anything right now. I need to figure some things out first before I talk about this.”

    Part of figuring out if Timmons is going to salvage his career with the team or not involves Gase speaking with Timmons. That had not happened as of Sunday evening when this game ended.

    So Timmons needs to have a compelling and logical explanation for Gase to make going AWOL an excusable offense. That’s a tough ask.

    But if Timmons doesn’t convince Gase what he did somehow made sense, he might not be around this team for next week’s game or future games, or perhaps ever again.

    That’s how serious this is.

    It’s possible this is more serious for the Dolphins than it might be for other teams because this team, for whatever amount of talent they have relative to their opponents, believe they win because of their heart and unity and camaraderie.

    Don’t believe it?

    The evening before every game the Dolphins always have someone talk to the team. On Saturday it was defensive end Cameron Wake giving the talk. And Wake talked about using the people of Florida as a template for how his teammates should think.

    He was back in Florida when Hurricane Irma hit and saw survivors in the aftermath speak of family and hope and the importance of having each other. And Wake said the Dolphins should share that approach.

    “Cam talked about it with the guys because he was back there,” Gase said. “And hearing some of the things he saw and some of the interviews he saw about our area, just the positive attitude that people in that area have, happy to be safe and have their families with them, not being worried so much about material things ...

    “I think that was a great thing for him to talk about last night, that there’s more than the material type things. It’s about your family, it’s about us sticking together and going out and playing hard and trying to win for each other and South Florida fans.”"

     
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  38. Redwine4all

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    True dat. But if a team cuts a player, they must inform him...they cannot take him on the plane, bring him to the hotel, and then say, "oh, btw, you aren't on our team."

    There is a protocol that the team must follow. Same for players. I don't care what or why he did. I do care very much about how he did it. And THAT was wrong, without question.
     
  39. Redwine4all

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    This!
     
  40. Phins_to_Win

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    We expect unparalleled professionalism, because he has shown that through out his career. If this was a problem player, I would completely understand your reaction. When its not a problem player, I'm inclined to hear what his side is. That isn't different then it would be in the real world. If an employee has been a model employee for 11 years, and then 1 day doesn't show up, my first instinct would not be to fire him. First thought would be is he ok? Second would be is this a rare case that can be overlooked? Third does this one issue out weight the previous 11 years of excellent service, or is this an issue that puts the company/department at risk? Any manager who doesn't at least somewhat understand that approach is a manager I personally wouldn't want to work for.

    Now that being said, Timmons doesn't yet have a long history with us. This is essentially a new job for him, and yes I would expect much better from him. However, since the NFL is so public we have seen his dedication to the sport and know that this is not a disturbing trend that continues to repeat.

    If his reason falls in the somewhat forgivable category then he is fined, he looses playing time. He essentially has to work his way out of the coaches dog house.

    If not then he is let go, and Dolphins look into a breach of contract to save some of the money we spent on him.
     

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