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Timmons AWOL - Suspended Indefinitely- Update: Forgiveness Possible

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Sep 17, 2017.

  1. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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  2. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    My Dad's dying of cancer. My son has a child that has been in out of NICU for most his life. My sisters house was damaged in the Houston floods, I was without power for three days due to Irma, my inlaws are still trying to recover. But I went to work. And if I wouldn't have, I would have expected to be fired or sanctioned.

    I guess I just don't understand the "outpouring of compassion", when the whole purpose of professional is to compete. Besides, it doesn't seem real. Its seems self righteous. But whatever.

    Oh, but its just a game I am told. Ok. Then whats the problem of firing a guy from a game? How are you guys more upset with me and a few other posters than with a player who is supposed to play for this team, without which, there would be no message board, no blogs, no nada as it relates to these Dolphins?
     
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  3. Fin D

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    Because you are jumping to harsh conclusions without facts.

    And btw, sorry for everything you are dealing with, but if your boss fired you for missing a day of work with all that, then your boss would be over reacting as much you are about Timmons.
     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    You have quite an opinion of yourself.

    Edit: Also, if someone disagrees with you, your feelings are hurt?
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Looks like you are just taking out your emotions on Simmons, which explains your emotional and illogical posts.

    Waiting for information before making a conclusions is just being rational.
     
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  6. Fin D

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    literally by definition.
     
  7. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I have compassion for you, just as I do for Lawrence Timmons. Compassion and empathy are not signs of weakness. If you think my compassion is not real, I can't help you. I don't understand why you feel that way. Perhaps you should curtail your skepticism and embrace empathy. You say you're an old hippie. Let some love in your heart.
     
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  8. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Uh, someone said "they needed a shower". So whatever.

    My opinion of myself is I am an unsophisticated fan that knows very little about the Xs and Os, and I am usually VERY HAPPY when the team doesn't take my advice. I am actually taken aback that so many went all Snowflake on the Timmons situation. He was the one that left the team, not me. He was the one that screwed the Fins, not me. He was the one that didn't care about the FIns, not me.

    But ok. I guess I was the problem.
     
  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Based on Gase's demeanor in the presser, I'm more inclined to think this isn't health-related and more like poor judgement on Timmons part.
     
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  10. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    No. I am not taking it out on Timmons. You guys seem to have trouble compartmentalizing this situation. If the guy needs help, get help. If the guy needs a break, take a break. If he needs counseling, go lay on a couch. I dont want anything bad to happen to young Lawrence. I just don't want my favorite team to rely on him or have faith that he will show up. We only have a few players at each position. We cannot be worried that any of them are going to bail on us on Saturday night.

    Thats all.
     
  11. Fin D

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    If that was how you started this then no one would be giving you crap right now.

    But you, Redwine4all, from your first post took this to a personal level.
     
  12. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    And I do appreciate the kind words (seriously, I do) about my situation. But I wasn't making a sympathy plea. I am quite sure there are people on this board, up and down my street, at my office, perhaps on the Fins that have it way way worse than me. I feel blessed through all of my ordeals, and if I had to trade my problems, I wouldn't. Everyone has trials, and I wish everyone of them the best. But if you play on the Fins, THAT is my interest. Play football. Or Don't. And lets get someone that will. That does not mean I wish ill on Timmons because hes not mentally well enough to be on our roster. I just want the guys in Aqua and Orange on Sundays to be committed to the team.
     
  13. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Ok.
     
  14. Fin D

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    Really?

    If you can't see how that differs from:

    Then you're not being intellectually honest.
     
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  15. Redwine4all

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    I'll defer to Adam Gase. "I have two rules...Be on time, play hard".

    On a personal level, I hope Timmons gets the help he needs.

    As a member of the Fins, he violated the ONLY two rules we have. If Gase is ultimately ok with him, then I'll leave it at that. I just know he screwed over an organization that gave him a multi million dollar contract because he missed Baby Mama.

    I dont want him ANYWHERE near the Fins. Now Pouncey said he'd welcome him back. But Pouncey was also an Aaron Hernandez fan.

    But I dont make the decisions, I live with the ones the coaches make. I trust Gase on this. I think he'll do what the right thing. And that is usually different than what I would do. I expect LT to line up and play vs the Jets. If I was coaching, (and thank God I am not), he would be in therapy with Sua Cravens.
     
  16. Fin D

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    I don't know if you are purposely missing the point or not.
     
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  17. dirtylandry

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    He will be starting this sunday. Book that


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  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    There is no trouble.

    It is irrational to make a judgement before all of the information is out there.

    It is immature to just call for someone's firing without hearing his side of the story.

    You are having a problem taking your emotions out of the conversations. Which is normal, as most fans are like that.

    For me, this isn't a moral issue. It is just an issue of wait until you see the whites of his eyes instead of just shooting half cocked.
     
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  19. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Ok. viva Timmons. All he did was miss a shift. We won. No harm, no foul.
     
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  20. CashInFist

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    It had better be a DAMN good story. I don't see where all the love for Lawrence Timmons is coming from. He hasn't even played one down for the Miami Dolphins yet.

    I think he is as good as gone from Adam Gase's reaction today. Good luck Lawrence. We barely knew ya.
     
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  21. CashInFist

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    Doubt it.
     
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  22. KeyFin

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    Dude, so sorry to hear that- when it rains, it pours.

    At the same time though, you should have an outpouring of compassion from your friends and family- that's how decent people react when one of their brothers/sisters are hurting. If you don't, then that's on them and I'm sorry for that. Don't hate on others though because they care about people.

    In regards to football, I personally don't care what Timmons is going through or the circumstances- our team will be fine with or without him. But as a person, it's completely normal to wish him the best and hope it all works out. That's all folks are saying here. Real life stuff trumps football any day of the week.
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am not seeing "all the love".

    I am just seeing people say, "wait to see what happened and why."

    His story could be DAMN good or it could be full of ****.
     
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  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Viva Timmons? O.K. man. O.K.
     
  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Still don't know what happened with Timmons and I'm seeing a LOT of jousting between posters. Quit getting so emotional in your posts and derogatory towards one another.

    This much I will say though with what little facts we do know...

    Timmons is a PROFESSIONAL athlete...being paid MILLIONS of dollars. Now I understand health issues personal in nature that an individual may not wish to disclose...I understand family issues personal in nature that an individual may not wish to disclose but based on what the public has been told, neither of these are the case.

    The only thing we were told is that his absence was health related nor criminal in nature. Absent any other mitigating circumstances, it's understandable for folks to be upset, especially since we "regular" folks have to check our personal baggage at the door every day and put our noses to the grindstone and do the jobs we are NOT getting paid millions of dollars for.
     
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  26. Redwine4all

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    :::APPLAUSE::::
     
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  27. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Thanks for your words.
     
  28. Tin Indian

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    Bellamy Brothers. Nice.

    Hope things turn around for you and your family.
     
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  29. brandon27

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    I'm sorry to hear that you're going through all of that. It's awful to hear, and nothing something I'd wish upon anything. Especially cancer, possessions and stuff can be replaced, it sucks that they're gone, but they're ultimately replaceable for the most part, people are not. My mother is a survivor of breast cancer, but I had an aunt who I unfortunately can't say the same for. It's a ****ty thing, and it's beyond frustrating to keep hearing about, especially with the amount of money being poured into trying to prevent it, detect it early, and hopefully one day find a cure.

    However, that being said, it's not about an outpouring of compassion, well, maybe it is, but not really IMO. To me it's more about looking at the circumstances of what's going on in someone's life, whether an NFL player or not, and realizing wow, that seems completely out of character. Sure, none of us know Lawrence Timmon's personally, but to me, that's irrelevant. He's still a person, regardless of his profession. So when you hear of a guy, who's played this game for 11 years, with 101 consecutive starts and something odd sets him off like this, to me, there's greater concern than just a guy missing a day of work, whatever that work may be. To me, it signals the potential for something more serious to be going on. Whether it's mental health, or even potential early onset of CTE. I just personally, don't see that as a reason to have an "open season" on the guy until we know what's happening.

    I think that's where people are getting on your for your position on this. Because you're looking at it from the viewpoint of... "Oh well, suck it up buddy, show up regardless" and not really giving a damn about the fact that he's still a person, with the potential for some problems and issues. I get that, as you stated, and as we all know, we all have issues we're dealing with, and responsibilities we still have to tend to, and he did not do that properly. This may be hard for some people to believe, because this world seems like such a terrible place as of late, but there are some people who do still genuinely care for the well being of others. There needs to be more of it to be honest. So to me, it's not about ignoring it because he's an athlete, or having an outpouring of compassion for him because he plays here, it's not that at all, I'd say the same thing if it was a co-worker in my office who's usually always here, but then just goes AWOL. Hell, I went through a bunch of stuff the past two years that caused me to miss a lot of work. I have the luxury of coming and going as I please given my role here, but I still have someone I have to answer to ultimately. I missed a lot of time at work as a result. A lot of which was on an emergency basis that put me in a spot where I'd just get up, leave and say nothing to nobody because... to me, what I was dealing with was just far more important. Nobody here had a clue, but after a while, I'd have people here coming up to me, closing the door and going.. hey... is everything ok? Why? Because they noticed something was off with my behavior, and that just concerns people. Maybe they're being nosey, sure, but for most, it's just a concern for the general well being of others. Believe it or not, it happens. So to me it's not about being compassionate for the guy to look good to you, or others here, I don't give a **** about that, and it's not about being compassionate for the guy because he's an athlete playing for this team that I'm a fan of, it's because he's a person, and we should all be concerned for the well being of ourselves, and each other. Mental health, if that is indeed something that triggered this, or even an additiction or some form of drug use, then yes, I'm going to have some compassion for the guy, because those are awful things that people struggle to deal with and many aren't able to overcome.

    Like I said originally, if he just quit on this team and decided I don't want to play here, or be here, or if he decided that because of something the team/coaches said or did with him in regards to play time etc... then I'm with you all the way. Fine him, suspend him, I'm not sure I'd go as far as cutting him because I think that puts us in a bad spot given his contract, and ultimately that business decision needs to be made accordingly, but for the sake of team culture that's changed, when you've got a guy who comes in new, violates your team rules with no good reason, then absolutely it has to be dealt with accordingly. I'm with you 100% at that point, because that's just not a good reason to bail, and at that point he'd deserve the criticism, but if something greater is a play here, then I think you have to give some leeway.

    I get it though, we all look at things differently, I respect your opinion, because you're entitled to it, but I just don't agree with it, and at the end of the day, that's ok.
     
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  30. brandon27

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    In short, it's not about love for Lawrence Timmons. For me it's just hesitance to react negatively because we don't yet know if this is a guy struggling with some sort of issue, or if he's a guy who made the conscious decision to quit on his team. Trust me, if it's the later, then he's got to be dealt with accordingly.

    Given Adam Gase's reaction yesterdat at his press conference, it's starting to look more like this was a poor decision on his part that's going to have him in some hot water with the team, and fans though.
     
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  31. josh

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    Timmons is getting slow-rolled and ignored by Gase, and at the same time I'm sure the front office is exploring every possible way to bend him over like he did us. Hitting him where it hurts, in the wallet would send the strongest message, and really, would be the most fair thing. We pay you millions, you screw us, we get millions back, but that seems to be the most difficult route because of his contract structure.

    So if they don't want to cut him, and let another (possible competing) team benefit from picking him up, while we still pay him, then they can just continue to ignore him, put him at the bottom of the depth chart, and make him inactive on game days until when and if he ever grovels his way back into good graces.

    Or they could trade him for peanuts, but what team would take him?
     
  32. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I don't understand why people took a wait and see attitude.

    Its not that he missed a game, its that he apparently alerted no-one. Sorry but even if your entire family was on their deathbed you can send a text.
     
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    Why not just fine him and doc him one games pay? Make him apologize to the entire locker room and explain himself. Call it a day and move on. I think they are going to discipline him and move on with the situation.
     
  34. KeyFin

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    I just scanned the net and there is nothing new out there on Timmons....which makes me think he had a mental breakdown (like a panic attack). Like someone else said, that's the one thing Gase could not talk about legally and we never see this much silence with so much media digging for the story. Usually a player, a cousin, a friend or somebody leaks what is really going on- but it's not happening here. I believe that the players really don't know, which means that this is probably not a short term thing.

    Here's the other thing that comes to mind- I'm not sure if the Fins can legally cut someone over mental problems. I'm guessing this is where all the silence is coming from as they figure out their options.
     
  35. Finatik

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    They don't need a reason to cut you.
     
  36. tirty8

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    To everyone who wants to send Timmons packing. I am curious as to what you think would happen if Timmons came back. Do you think that the Joker would run wild in Gotham and anarchy would ensue in the locker room - doubtful. These guys are professionals, and they get it. They all know that the best way to avoid being cut is to avoid foolishness. Some guys are keenly aware of the fact that they are gonna get more slack than the next guy, and some guys are aware of the fact that they are gonna get less slack than the next guy. If you think that Sinorese Perry will look at this, and think to himself that he could miss a game, and they same thing would happen to him, you are fooling yourself.

    Timmons is a vet with a pretty good track record. Based on everything I know about his time it Pittsburgh, he has been a model citizen. Let's call anomaly just that - an anomaly. If a behavior pattern emerges, I could eventually a separation occurring, but let's not put the horse before the wagon.

    Timmons has a long track record in the league. We are thin at LB. Timmons plays LB. Timmons is good.

    This aint very complicated.
     
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  37. DolfanR

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    agreed 100%
     
  38. RevRick

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    I learned a very long time ago that jumping to conclusions without facts usually only makes matters worse for everyone involved. We do not KNOW a bloody thing. I would prefer that we would collectively wait until we know the facts rather than make assumptions, and then start talking like the worlds ultimate authority. Until we know more, all this type of conversation is going to do is provide a surplus supply of balloon juice.
     
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    Exactly,they took a police report out on this man.
    He could have called or text at least 1 out of 80 people. He chose not to communicate to anyone.
     
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  40. Fin D

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    Why did they take a police report?

    Because him just being AWOL (based on their experience with him and his career), didn't really seem possible. That alone, should mean, we have to wait and see.
     

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