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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    That narrative started right after they found out the vaccine causes it. I know several people who got myocarditis after the shot and have yet to meet someone who got it from covid. My aunt had a stroke three days after her 2nd shot. But hey it was probably just a coincidence.
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is my favorite nonsense
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They knew about it before the vaccines. There were many reports about it.
     
  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Oh man, I'm shaking in my boots. Perhaps they can get Jermichael Finley and Jordy Nelson out of retirement.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

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  6. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This board used to do a really good job of keeping politics out of the sports discussions. Are the mods all still on winter break?
     
  7. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    This was a problem with Rodgers. It's not Salah's team. It's going to be Rodgers team and he's not good enough to carry a team and a coach anymore.
     
  8. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Based on?
     
  9. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Biggest fear would be him coming in with a changed attitude and more motivated. No need to worry about that.
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I used to believe that Auyuascha made people less of a prick. I have been proven wrong.
     
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  11. TheHighExhaulted

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    :sidelol:
     
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  12. pumpdogs

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    Well I just hope people wake up.
    My sister died alone from cancer in a hospital because this scumbag hospital wouldn't allow us to see her because of this bull****!
    Americans need to wake the **** up and realize these scumbag politicians and elites that control them only work for themselves and if it means sacrificing you they will do that without blinking.
     
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  13. dolphin25

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    reality. wait and see.
     
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  14. dolphin25

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    so many people died alone :(
     
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  15. dolphin25

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    LOL watch the film. Reality does bite.
     
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  16. dolphin25

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    I know several people that were healthy before they got the shot. It is sad and scary.
     
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  17. dolphin25

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    seriously have you seen the videos or are you purposely avoiding it? Never before have there been so many videos of people just dropping dead.
     
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  18. Springveldt

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    As a middle aged overweight guy I was very thankful of the protections the vaccine gave me when I finally caught covid. Turned a very nasty disease which killed millions worldwide into a 5 day very uncomfortable but bearable illness.

    Also, I'm in the UK so this isn't a politics thing for me it's more of a who believes science and who believes nutters on the web but it does seem to be very political in the US so I guess that's why you are mentioning the "orange man". So my political part would be I can't understand how 70M+ people watched that selfish, self-centred, lying narcissist for 4 years and thought to themselves "yep, he's my guy. I want another 4 years of this".
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I don't trust Alex Jones type of people.

    Plus I read what the experts put out. Not crazy Youtube videos of crazy people who are crazy.
     
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  20. resnor

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    Health isn't politics.
     
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  21. resnor

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    I can't believe you actually believe this stuff you are posting.

    I have a rock in my yard that keeps tigers away, you want to buy it?
     
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  22. resnor

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    A client that we do work for, his wife beat cancer in 2015. She got all the injections. I saw her in January, she was completely fine.

    She died last week. Her cancer came back, out of nowhere, and progressed unbelievably fast. These injections are pure poison. We won't know the full extent of the damage from the injections for a couple decades
     
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  23. cbrad

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    Anecdotes like that don't mean anything. Have to actually do studies that estimate the impact of an intervention with different assumptions in the modeling. On one hand you're right that we don't fully know the effects of a new type of vaccine and probably won't know for a long time, but there's no evidence thus far that getting vaccinated was somehow worse than not getting vaccinated. Quite the contrary.

    There are a bunch of studies in reputable medical journals showing that the net effect of the COVID vaccines was millions of prevented deaths worldwide. Here's a recent one from The Lancet that estimates COVID vaccines prevented 14-20 million deaths worldwide depending on how you measure the effect:
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext

    Estimates in the US range from 100k to over 1 million prevented deaths depending on assumptions. Furthermore, the high end of these estimates are often done using excess deaths, meaning that it's looking at the net effect of the vaccines. So even if the vaccine itself increased mortality in some individuals, the net effect is likely tens of millions of prevented deaths worldwide. At least that's the story if you actually go by a large number of peer-reviewed research papers in reputable medical journals, which is arguably your most credible source of information. It's also the only thing where you can claim it's what the science says.
     
  24. StaleTacos

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    He had one good game against the Bears last year. That's it. He's got 8 TDs/12 INTs in his career. Help me understand the reality you are seeing. I'm open to it. You like his toolset or something?
     
  25. Springveldt

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    What's not to believe? Infections and deaths started to drop dramatically when people got the vaccinations.

    Personally, I find it much easier to believe that there was a deadly disease that ended up killing millions of people worldwide and governments reacted to find some sort of vaccine to slow down the spread and cut down deaths rather than thinking it's all some elaborate ploy to control us through microchips, make money for corporations or whatever other whack job theories people believe.

    Everything since the vaccinations points to them preventing way more deaths than they caused, all the data shows that. It kinda blows my mind that people think otherwise to be honest.
     
  26. resnor

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    Nope
     
  27. pumpdogs

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    My sister didn't die of the injections as she didn't even get them.
    My point was all these COVID restrictions Mask,lockdowns etc and stupid *** hospital rules caused my sister to spend the last 4 weeks of her life dying of cancer alone.
    All the Media,policticans,Elites can go **** themselves and I hope they get what they deserve in the end
     
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  28. Tuanon4Life

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    That's terrible what happened to your sister. I'm not a religious person but I do believe the people you speak of are evil and will answer to a higher power in the end. Very sorry for your loss.
     
  29. Tuanon4Life

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    I'm guessing you feed your crops Gatorade right?
     
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  30. pumpdogs

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    Thanks.
     
  31. pumpdogs

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    And Dr fauccui didn't fund the Wuhan lab right?
    This type of trust everything you read and watch on the bull**** media is the problem.
    The media has been proven to lie time after time and.peoole like u still believe?
    First they said.if u get the vaccine u won't get sick.Lie number 1.Then they said if u get the vaccine u still can get sick but won't be in the hospital.Lie number 2.
    Then they said well if u get the vaccine you can't spread it.Lie number 3!
    what does it take for people to see the truth.
    Natural immunity is the reason it came under control not some magic potion they made up in a few months.
     
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  32. pumpdogs

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    Let's switch topic back to football before I really start getting pissed!
     
  33. Fireland

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    No please no football talk lets tell more dumb stories about someone I know got vaccinated and then got cancer from it
     
  34. resnor

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    Was just giving an anecdote of a result if the injection that I knew personally.

    Very sorry about your sister, it's absolutely horrifying what they did to people. We need justice for the atrocities that were committed.
     
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  35. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The title of this thread is Tua is not the Problem…

    Not the Aaron Rodgers to the Jets thread

    Not the Covid thread

    You all need a mind detector…because you all have lost yours!
     
  36. cbrad

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    Since when do thread titles determine what gets discussed in the thread? The topic will keep changing even if Tua, Rodgers and Fauci all agree on what the thread topic should be. Besides it's welcome relief to talk about something other than re-hashed Tua arguments.

    Right now the most interesting topic for me is what happens with Rodgers. He still hasn't made a decision lol. I just hope the Jets give up a king's ransom for him. As elite as he's been he's not a great playoff QB like Montana or Brady, and I doubt the Jets sniff the SB with him. And if they don't, the NY Jets will be crashing back to ground zero in a few years.
     
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  37. StaleTacos

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    Rodgers has a higher QB rating in the playoffs than Brady or Montana. Not to mention, that's an odd bar to set. He doesn't need to be either of them to still be really good.
     
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    Higher in passer rating than Brady yes, not Montana. Have to adjust for era. Montana was #1 the last time I ran that program calculating career z-scores in postseason for all QBs with 3000+ total attempts (ran it 2 years ago after Rodgers' #1 rating that year.. I forget what the minimum number of attempts in postseason were for this, would have to look it up).

    Either way, I think it's undeniable Brady has had more "clutch" playoff games, especially SBs, than Rodgers. That may not always show up in passer rating, but there are no comparable Rodgers playoff games to stuff like what Brady did in the SB against Atlanta (e.g., Brady's passer rating that game was only 95.2 but it was one of the most impressive "clutch" performances ever). And statistically, Rodgers is exactly as expected, no better, when it comes to SB wins given his overall z-score of 1.3525 for his career.

    The best-fitting equation for SB win probability given z-score in a given year is:

    Win% = 2.719*e^(0.8415*z)

    Plug z = 1.3525 into that and you get about an 8.5% chance of winning the SB any given year with a QB like Rodgers (which btw is very good!). He's only won 1 so far, which is almost exactly as expected (36.8% probability someone with 8.5% probability of winning a SB any given year wins exactly 1 in 15 years, and 36.9% probability it's 2 or more SBs in that time frame). Contrast that with Brady and Montana where they're WAY beyond expected in postseason. Yeah they were on great teams, but the difference is too massive to attribute the entire difference to the rest of the team. So sure, Rodgers is "very good", but he's not Brady or Montana level in postseason.

    btw.. just thought of something. If Rodgers really is giving a team an 8.5% chance of winning the SB any year (i.e., the actual probability is the expected probability given passer rating, unlike Brady/Montana where it's way higher), then the odds should reflect that if Rodgers goes to the Jets. Right now the Jets have 16:1 odds of winning the SB. If bettors' intuition fits this calculation that should go to 11:1 if they sign Rodgers. Will be interesting to see if that occurs lol.
     
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  39. JJ_79

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    I love the science argument, so you really think that all the scientist were on the same page when it comes to Covid and agree on everything in general? It's not like I'm against vaccinations and everybody who wants to get one I'm fine with it. I just don't like it when you're forced to getting one to live a normal life. I live in Germany and here politics and the media made Covid into something like Ebola when it's more like a bad flu virus and now more and more people start to realize that the whole thing was way overblown with all the unnecessary and way overblown measurements they took...
     
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  40. Springveldt

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    In what way was it overblown? Even with all the lockdowns millions worldwide still died from the virus? How many would have died if we had carried on with a "normal" life? How many would have been acceptable just to have that "normal" life?

    OK.

    Of course not, everyone knows you use Brawndo as it has what plants crave.

    Since I actually trust science I'd use water/crop feed but you never know I might find some compelling whack job on twitter who swears some horse paste will make them grow faster and healthier.

    Maybe the message was different over there in the US but here in Britain it was made pretty clear that the vaccine would cut down your chances of catching it and if you did catch it then the vaccine would makes the symptoms milder and it also reduced the chances of you passing it on. All of which were true, it was never said it was a magic bullet that would make you immune to the virus. It's the same thing with the flu shot each year.

    If it was all natural immunity then why did the hospitalisations and deaths suddenly slow down when people started taking the vaccine?

    I trust actual scientists, you know the people who have dedicated their lives to studying these things. I don't trust some random whack job on the internet who did most of their own "research" while sitting on the toilet googling with their phone.

    Anyway, last post from me on the subject as it's as polarising as Tua.
     
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