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Tua is not the Problem

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  1. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You're doing terrific. /sarcasm
     
  2. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Sweden didn‘t do a lot of restrictions and if Covid would be as bad as they pictured it nobody should be alive in Africa. I asked you a question and you replied with one. Science is not one truth when it comes to Covid, so you’re argument when you say you trust in science and the vaccination against Covid is the only answer for everybody then that’s just plain wrong.
    Covid is not Ebola and before Covid there were people dying of the flu and still are. In 2017 or 2018 you had like 30000 deaths in Germany during the cold period because of the flu, nobody cared and you hardly heard anything in the news. Never heard that a flu shot is mandatory anywhere.
    Overblown like in closing schools and playgrounds, not allowing people to sit on a bench outside and hunting kids through a park with a police car. Treating grown adults like little babies and discrediting other views on Covid and just allowing one opinion.
     
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  3. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Oh and one more thing. Science figured out that lockdowns didn’t really have an effect on it only a marginal one at best…
     
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  4. dolphin25

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    The experts that are getting paid by the drug companies? What do Alex Jones type of people have to actually gain? Tons of videos out there you can ignore if you wish, guess that is easier.
     
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  5. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    You do know it has been stated and proven the jab did not prevent the spread right? He was actually pro American, pro human being. You believed the liberal media.
     
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  6. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I watched him play in college. Look at what he did in the Bills game. Snow storm and he made some really quality throws. If you watched their games with him in the game there was a totally different energy from the team. He is smart, has a live arm. He can really make all the throws. Was extremely accurate in college.
     
  7. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Really zero proof in how many the vaccine saved. There is no way to prove it. Even what you say "estimates COVID vaccine" ESTIMATE, that is a guess. It does not prevent you from getting it, nor from spreading it.
     
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  8. dolphin25

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    Infections decreased because 1) viruses run themselves out (herd ) 2) they changed the way they were counting the number of cases. Deaths went down because they again stopped counting everything as a covid death.
     
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  9. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I think people just do not want to see the truth. It is much easier to just accept what they are told. It is less fearful in believe they have it under control, instead of they actually caused it.
     
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  10. cbrad

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    lol.. dude.. Alex Jones was convicted of deliberately lying about the Sandy Hook school shooting being a hoax and ordered to pay almost 1 billion dollars in damage! I mean this is something where you have clear and incontrovertible evidence the event happened and he lied about it repeatedly. For what purpose would Alex Jones lie you ask? MONEY!!!

    There are few people on this planet less credible than Alex Jones. That you even try to defend the guy says everything.
     
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  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    A **** ton of money from gullible people. That what they have to actually gain. These people are becoming millionaires off of people's fear of vaccines.

    I was all in those videos but had to stop because I got depressed on feeling hopelessness on the state of the world that people are so easily fooled.

    The few companies I hate more than big pharma is big insurance, however, to believe that the government wants to make a vast majority of people sick on purpose is the dumbest belief that anyone can have and just looking at history shows how stupid that is.
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    and you are being told not to believe in the vaccine but believe in all these people who want to control you.
     
  13. cbrad

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    LOL.. dude that's like arguing there's no "proof" that any drug or vaccine has EVER saved even one human life because there are always so many different possible causal mechanisms (I mean there's always a placebo effect) that you can't be absolutely certain about it.

    Ridiculous position.

    What that kind of mathematical modeling does is take our best understanding of how COVID is transmitted, together with the mortality rates and natural infection induced reductions in mortality rates observed, and estimate the percentage of excess deaths due to some intervention. Trying out all kinds of different possible assumptions in the model they get a range of estimates. In science you usually publish what's called a 95% CI = 95% confidence interval = range within which the true statistic would lie depending on all the possible sources of variation (in this case in the model assumptions) 95% of the time.

    The 95% CI for the lowest estimate of 14.4 million was 13.7 to 15.9 million deaths. In other words, even varying all kinds of assumptions the lowest 2.5th percentile (there's 2.5th percentile above that range too) is still at 13.7 million. Anyway, everything in science is really just an estimate, so arguing "it's just an estimate" is like saying "let's ignore science for everything".

    Only time you actually have a "proof" for anything is in mathematics where "truth" depends only on logic, not uncertainties in measurements or causal mechanisms.
     
  14. hitman8

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    You're trying to make the argument about Alex Jones. There were lots of doctors and experts not affiliated with the government or big pharma who were also refuting the official narrative. Also, Youtube has all sorts of content from both trustworthy and untrustworthy sources. It's up to you to have critical thinking skills and discern who is who and what is what, I know that is harder than just going with what the government and big pharma tell you, but unfortunately that's what we have to do. Government has been captured by corporations and monied interests and cannot be trusted.
     
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  15. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    I'm not going to dance with anybody about the other stuff, but this sentence right here is why we are ****ed. Its been that way for a long time and it got worse after the scumbags in DC voted (Supreme Court in this instance) to allow basically unlimited buying of politicians by corporations when they upheld the Citizens United verdict.

    #BecomeUngovernable
     
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  16. cbrad

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    Most people don't have good critical thinking skills, including most who think they do. The best source of critical thinking skills about almost any area in medicine is research papers in reputable journals. You'll see disagreements there as in any area of science, but that's where you see arguments that have at least passed peer review and are based on actual data (usually tons of it in medicine).

    Also, maybe you don't know this (lack of critical thinking skills?), but the great majority of doctors are quite poor at doing any kind of rigorous research or critiquing the methodology behind such research (especially when it comes to data analytics). On their own they'd be like a fish out of water when it comes to actual research. Very few can do science well. I know because I work with many of them, and in my case I work with many of the top specialists (in glaucoma) in the world.

    It's VERY difficult to discern what is a good representation of the state of the science and what is not when you yourself are not an expert in the field, especially watching youtube videos where some people are really good at presentation even if their arguments are flawed.

    Also, so it's clear, I'm only talking about the effect of the vaccine being a huge net positive. I'm not defending government response to this. Very few countries could claim to have responded well to the crisis.
     
  17. bbqpitlover

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    Moderators COVID debates shouldn't be a Tua post in Miami Dolphin forum. I hope the kid is healthy and can finally play a full season as there's no doubt we have a Super Bowl caliber team the question is can we play like one.
     
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  18. MonstBlitz

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    Can't help but wonder how many of the folks saying don't trust the media and don't trust the government trust Fox News (under investigation for pushing horse**** their own talking heads are proven to not believe) and far right politicians.

    Sure, most media is biased and there is a lot of corruption in politics on both sides of the aisle - but the sources some of you are choosing to trust are completely unhinged. You're choosing your sources based on whether or not it conforms to your beliefs, rather than whether or not it's trustworthy. And that's also why none of you will change your minds whether it's on politics, COVID, or Tua.

    It's called confirmation bias. "Do your own research" on that, and stop being dummies.
     
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  19. Tuanon4Life

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    There's been many different topics discussed in this thread from Aaron Rodgers and the Jets to whether we should have picked Brock Purdy over Skylar Thompson. This whole COVID discussion started because of Aaron Rodgers and the controversy over his behavior in regards to injections. Conversations can change direction my brotha.
     
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  20. Finatik

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    I find it interesting that the virus came from a bat but in the following 3 years no other animal vectors have ever been found. If the virus was actually capable of infecting a bat then jumping, everything we’ve ever know about animal hosts and transmission is off the table if you can’t find another vector. Oh and it happened right where they were experimenting with gain of function on these viruses.
     
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  21. resnor

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    I'm not going to get into a discussion with the guy who believed that the injection would prevent transmission, then bought the lie that while it didn't stop transmission, it CERTAINLY prevented him from dying when he did catch covid.

    For the record, I still have never had covid.
     
  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Fox News is trash. It's the propaganda arm of the establishment GOP, just as CNN/MSNBC/etc are the propaganda arm of the establishment DNC. We have a uni-party system with the establishment from both parties being corrupt and power hungry, and seeking the same goals.

    JMO
     
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  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Cbrad, you are advocating for a logical fallacy. Your entire premise is an appeal to authority.

    You peons aren't capable of critical thought, you need to read the elites and their opinions, and then you will be enlightened.
     
  24. cbrad

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    No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying several things:

    1. There are experts in fields that know far more than non-experts and have a track record of solving problems in their field that implicitly demonstrates greater understanding of the phenomena being studied.

    2. While there is often massive disagreement among such experts, with some holding very biased (relative to the rest) views, a lot of that bias is filtered out in the peer review process at reputable scientific journals, which makes what gets published there arguably the most credible source of information on the topic.

    3. Most non-experts would not be able to tell the difference between a "fair" representation of the state of the science versus a biased view even if they spent hours listening to a debate between the two sides.

    So, to directly respond to your post, I'm not saying it's a good idea to trust any "authority" on the subject because you probably can't tell to what degree that person is knowledgeable about a very specific issue, or biased. I'm saying you should read the research papers. Form your own opinion on that information, not some Youtube video or what you might see in the media.
     
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  25. JJ_79

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    That’s another thing I find disturbing, everything that doesn’t fit the mainstream narrative has to be from the right and you have to be a dummie if you’re not on the mainstream wagon. I think in todays media it’s really hard to find the truth because every media is tainted in one way or the other.
     
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  26. dolphin25

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    For one thing they lied about the actual deaths in the first place, so the metrics are total BS to begin with. This is not a vaccine, it cures nothing nor prevents anything. It should not be that difficult to understand. You of all people should know junk in junk out.

    Again you are using the word estimate. a rough or approximate calculation.

    How many people died on the cruise ship that had 3000 people many elderly people on it when all this started? I believe the total number was 0. That cruise ship quickly disappeared from the media agenda topic
     
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  27. dolphin25

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    It's like a virus :)
     
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    Pretty sure the Dutch had zero issues with it and they didn't do any restrictions. How about the Amish in America? They did fine.
     
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    something can happen, but not be what they said it was. Is that true or not? I personally don't follow Alex Jones, but i believe what he said was that the shooting was setup, not that it didnt happen. Set up as in a way for gun control to be pushed.
     
  30. M1NDCRlME

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    That's a common misconception but it actually came from Randy Marsh ****ing a pangolin while on a binged out trip in China with Mickey Mouse.*

    *source: South Park, Season 24, Covid Special
     
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    What are they selling that makes them rich?

    So, you chose to ignore the truth because it upset you. That makes sense. I get it, you want to have peace of mind and not examine things.

    Have you heard Gates speak of population reductions? How about the World Economic Forum ?
     
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    Sweden was the only country that didn’t have any restrictions (in Europe) as far as I know. I’m not saying they should not have done anything at all, but the measurements most countries took were not appropriate imo.
     
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  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Easy part is ad revenue from the videos, but just look at them. Do the research.

    No, I embrace the truth and the truth upsets me that people believe that easily disproven stuff.

    yes, I heard Gates speak. Yes, I know about the WEF. I understand all that conspiracy bull and how so much of it is based on basic age-old anti-semitism.
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Sweden already admitted they were wrong
     
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    Not sure what you're referencing about "lying" about actual deaths, as in who said what when, but that particular study used excess deaths, i.e., how many more deaths occurred than usual regardless of cause. That's a fairly reliable metric.

    Second, the mRNA vaccine IS a vaccine. The mechanism is different in that the mRNA is used to create a protein that triggers the immune response, which is different than injecting either a live pathogen or a dead one to trigger the immune response. But it is a vaccine.

    Third, you're not understanding what I said about estimates. Even the lower end of the 95% CI of that estimate shows that over 10 million people's lives were likely saved by the vaccine. It doesn't matter what the actual number is if the lower end of the estimate is that large. Remember my claim is that you see a huge net beneficial effect.

    Nope. Alex Jones repeatedly said the children were never killed. That the whole thing was staged. It was a hoax. The one person you should not be defending if you care about credible sources is Alex Jones. Guy has been doing that crap for years. Finally, he pushed one lie too many and lost a ton in court over it.

    Conspiracies that people are willing to believe (and directly or indirectly pay money for).
     
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    Sure, if you say so… :D

    edit: they admitted that they were not perfect but their overall strategy wasn’t wrong.
     
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  37. resnor

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    Fauci and Redfield posted in the NEJM in early 2020, I believe, that covid was nothing more than a bad flu. Read that years ago.
     
  38. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It is not a "vaccine" like previous vaccines, and it does not function like previous vaccines, ie, it does not prevent catching or transmitting a disease.
     
  39. Finatik

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    It’s the “new” definition of vaccine. Get with the program.
     
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    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Cbrad, it's absolute garbage that Jones was found guilty of anything.
     
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