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Tua is not the Problem

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Your close but not really.. do you really wanna get into it?
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You really don’t get it
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol omgoidness

    But I’m supposed to believe you like Tua as you say lol

    Please
     
  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I never heard anything about the wonderlic in years and now it's all of a sudden relevant to Tua.
     
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  5. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Questions for you: Why do you refuse to learn anything? Why do you post things with zero backup?

    For the 50 millionth time. Yes, he throws to spots. He uses pre-snap and post-snap reads to decide which receiver and which spot for that receiver to throw to. He makes those throws using elite anticipation and elite accuracy. He might be the best in the game at it. That is the design of the offense. Throwing to spots is also called "throwing guys open". The reason it is called "throwing guys open" is the SPOT CHANGES BASED ON THE COVERAGE AND WHAT THE DEFENDERS DO. Often there are choice routes or multiple possible windows in play.

    Feel free to ignore an analysis by an expert (actually multiple) and stick to your child-like misunderstanding of a sound bite.
     
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  6. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    wonderlic and a misunderstanding of a sound bite.... looks like that is all they have left to cling to.
     
  7. OwesOwn614

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  8. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    My favorite was when he dismissed the videos as analysis from people who never played the game, one of them was literally a hall of fame quarterback. But, a soundbite from a fifth wide receiver is gospel. :sidelol:
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That’s res being his passive aggressive self with Tua
     
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  10. StaleTacos

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    Yes, please! I'm just trying to understand how Tua runs more and is guaranteed to not take on any additional contact.

    You may just want him to slide, and run every time and not get touched. However, a competitor in the moment isn't going slide every time. Tua already showed that. Maybe he doesn't slide early enough and gets popped, or maybe he doesn't see someone from behind.
     
  11. hitman8

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    Tua is not as athletic or as fast as young, and he's not a good runner. Seems like something he should have learned a long time ago anyway, not going into his fourth year. This offseason he is learning how to run and how to fall, last offseason he was learning how to throw off platform and geting stronger to avoid injury, and that didnt work out too well.

    These are all skills he should have developed by now if he was any good at them, dont think trainer is going to work any miracles in those areas.
     
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  12. hitman8

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    These examples are good but not all that impresive really. His off platform throw only had to travel ten air yards, not that hard for any quarterback to make that throw. His gamewinner to Waddle was also a short floater, it was good placement but more a great catch by Waddle to go up and get it.
     
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  13. TheHighExhaulted

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    The game winner was a "short floater". :sidelol:
     
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  14. Tuanon4Life

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    Lamar Jackson scored a 13 on his wonderlic. What a loser.
     
  15. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    The bias on that last play explains you to a tee. 3rd read, maybe 4th read. Breaks the pocket, throws on the run with zip in the only spot the receiver can catch it and all the credit goes to Waddle.
     
  16. hitman8

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    It had good placement, and he did a good job of moving in the pocket and progresing through his reads, but there was no "zip", it was a floater, he floated it up there for waddle to go up and get it.
     
  17. TheHighExhaulted

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    Yeah, definitely a 50/50 ball.
     
  18. hitman8

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    Not 50/50, more like an alley-oop.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It doesn’t ****ing matter

    Tua does other things that make this offense move.

    Your whole game was closed shut last year when Tua was too 3 mvp

    You’re just regurgitating without acknowledgement of the level
    Of performance reached

    Which makes you irrelevant
     
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  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Troll job
     
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  21. hitman8

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    Things that are really impressive and elite about Tua are his timing and anticipation, his accuracy on short and intermediate throws, and his quick release.

    Everywhere else he is just average to below average. Mcdaniel built a good timing based offense focused on Tua's strengths, and Grier gave him two of the best wide recievers in the game to throw to. They had great results for a good part of the season, until defenses started to figure them out, and Tua got hurt multiplr times.

    Hopefully it was not a flash in the pan and they can keep it going next year to at least finally get us a playoff win or two, I just dont have a lot of faith given Tua's fragility, and I also think defenses will figure out how to stop Tua given his limitations.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    What I’m talking and what is being trained is not about scrambling and running around

    It’s about when the read isnt there, but the lane is, take an aggressive approach upfield and dictate the outcome by using the rule of slide to your favor..

    Do not go laterally, do not go backwards..

    Determine your destiny on the play..

    This approach will protect him more than what he’s been doing and how he’s gotten hurt in his career.
     
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  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    “Things that are really impressive and elite about Tua are his timing and anticipation, his accuracy on short and intermediate throws, and his quick release.”

    This is enough to play Qb as demonstrated

    Also faulting him for executing the scheme he’s in at a high level in his first year is bizzarre.

    We’re all worried about the injury history
     
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  24. StaleTacos

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    I think "an aggressive approach upfield" is going to get him injured. I get you want him to slide, but we know he won't always do that. Agree to disagree.
     
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  25. FinFaninBuffalo

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    We can agree to disagree. IMO, you are focusing exclusively on arm strength. You are discounting the difficulty in consistently making anticipatory throws with such accuracy. His arm talent is sick.

    In another video by the QB School, he shows a 20 yard out from Tua to Hill.The OL messes up the blocking and lets a free runner in Tua's face. He is forced to throw the ball earlier than needed for the timing of the throw and is unable to step into the throw. He simply throws the ball with more arc and less velocity. The ball is thrown when Hill is still 5 yards from making his break at the numbers. Hill breaks out and comes back hard to a spot at the sideline. The ball meets him there. Most QBs do not make that throw. IMO, it cannot be taught.

    Tua will never have a strong enough arm to convince some. IMO, he has all the still required for a QB with a weaker NFL arm to excel. He has elite level release, arm talent, accuracy, and anticipation. He has excellent pocket presence, movement, and feet quickness. It is really simple. In order to overcome the weaker arm, he needs to throw it quicker (anticipation and release speed), be more accurate, and be able to get properly set more often (feet quickness). His excellent pocket presence and movement also helps overcome his other weakness - height.

    It is going to be a fun ride.
     
  26. FinFaninBuffalo

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    He was one of the most accurate on deep balls too.
     
  27. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    There was another defender between Waddle and Tua. A ball thrown with zip gets knocked down by that defender or by the guy covering Waddle. Look at the image below. It is called arm talent to see the field and throw it to a spot where your only player can catch it. The ball was placed where it needed to be WHEN it needed to be there:

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  28. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    So your position is that this particular analyst raved in multiple videos about a skill that Tua doesn't exhibit very often..... okay, you go with that.
     
  29. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You would be surprised how many grown *** men have no clue how to properly fall. There's a reason it's one of the first things taught in jiu jitsu classes, both kid and adult classes.
     
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  30. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Uh oh! Look out folks! We got ourselves a jujitsu fighting warrior who knows how to fall properly! Please edify us all with your impressive knowledge on fighting and falling.
     
  31. dolphin25

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    Did you ever actually watch Marino?
     
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  32. dolphin25

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    Are you implying there is not a way to fall properly? Wonder why they teach it?
     
  33. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    WTF are you talking about? I never implied anything. The guy brought up jujitsu and his implication was that he does jujitsu. Does that suddenly make him an expert on falling? How much time do you personally practice falling at your office job? I'm sorry, I just don't buy the "online jujitsu master" bit. It's as bad as playing orthopedic MD on here which a lot of you do as well.
    Like "duh dude, it's literally the first thing they teach in jujitsu class bruh." Not all of us take jujitsu and the same guy claiming he does is the first to get washed up in a Dunkin Donuts parking lot. Ya know what....Go on somewhere with your BS. Go fly to Antarctica and punch a penguin. Bring the jujitsu guy with you, he can wrestle a polar bear.
     
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  34. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    If you want to learn, I'm sure there's a gym in your area where you can train.
     
  35. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    We have you here to teach us about it. Online jujitsu.
    Have you practiced your falling technique today? Please, teach Tua so he quits getting hurt. Oh...and can we get one of the doctors on here to help too? Y'all are clowns.
     
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  36. djphinfan

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    Go back and look since college how Tua gets hurt

    This is a different approach and he’s being trained to do so, and an approach that will lessen the risk of injury.

    I understand that’s hard to conceptualize I didn’t mean it sarcastically when I first said it
     
  37. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Yes. A lot.
     
  38. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    There is a video of an interview with Tua's personal trainer that covers all this. You act like people are making stuff up simply because you seem to be uninformed.
     
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  39. FinFaninBuffalo

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    The Big O interview with Tua's trainer covers this also.
     
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  40. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I'm sorry I seem that way. Please don't hold it against me. Forgive me. I'm just so out of touch these days.
     
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