Let's do it - a Grier Retrospective

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by texanphinatic, Sep 7, 2025.

What is the worst Grier move?

  1. Charles Harris over TJ Watt

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  2. Tua over Herbert

    34.6%
  3. Waddle over Sewell (or Parsons)

    15.4%
  4. Drafting Cam Smith, his kid's buddy

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  5. Trading for Bradley Chubb

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  6. Extending Ramsey

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  7. Extending Hill

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  8. Hiring Flores

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  9. Hiring McDaniel

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  10. Other (Explain)

    7.7%
  1. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    As in letting Rob Hunt leave?


    It was wild. The stats said Rosen was like the most unsalvageable bust ever and we spent a second rounder to bring him in to cut him. Maybe CBrad has a point in that someone may be desperate enough to trade for Tua ... but I maintain the injuries, contract and overall lack of production make that a fantasy.
     
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  2. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Yes. I know the price he got was too high for us, but just wish they could have worked something out rather then sign guys like Ramsey and give them extensions.
     
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  3. Striking

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    This is how I felt. How can you make a determination on his recovery based off a few scripted throws? An MRI isn't going to tell you if he has the same physical ability to do the things he once did. It made whatever was on film irrelevant. The the script used would highlight what he could do but hide what he couldn't. Didn't understand it then, still don't.

    And now he's regressed. He was a better QB as a rookie with far less offensive skill players. If he's afraid to be hit, he needs to be benched for good.
     
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  4. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Yeah man I get it. I actually really liked Tua and there was the whole Tank for Tua movement. But that hip injury was just so brutal and there was essentially nothing between that and the draft to give us a data point to how he would be. He was an amazing talent, but also an incredible risk.

    Herbert didn't have the production and also had some big questions, but just the physical tools and skillset was undeniable. I'm not sure how he would have done under the Flores nightmare and with Grier's crap ability to produce an OL, but he was the safer pick.

    I remember that draft and not entirely knowing how to feel after our pick. Happy we got to actually select a QB, but also kind of apprehensive about the injury and how it might affect him long and short term. Sadly, seems the apprehension was the right feeling.
     
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  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Like you, I like(d) Tua but at the time, our team had (and still has) so many holes that I didn’t want to draft Tua. I didn’t believe any quarterback we drafted be it Tua or Herbert or anyone else would have any true success in Miami due to our anemic and turnstile offensive line. If anyone remembers my analogy, I wanted the “race car” built first before we got the “driver”. Well, we got the driver first and it seems like we’ve been building the race car since with all these gadgets we’ve seen on silly idiotic TikTok videos. How’s that worked out for us?

    I know there’s going to be the calls for McDaniel to be fired after the Buffalo game. Maybe it’s warranted, maybe it’s not but after 9 years, 3 experimental head coaches, a complete blow out of a season and fire sale of talent to build THE team, Grier has demonstrated his inability to build a dynasty of a powerhouse football team, let alone one that can even win a playoff game. If anyone is fired first, I want it to be Grier. I don’t want his fingerprints anywhere near any future of the Dolphins.
     
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  6. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    We can soon add Waller to the list.
     
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  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    He's this years OBJ frankly.

    And watching this Green Bay game, it's astonishing how we feel we can intentionally kneecap ourselves and be successful. It's like we go out of our way to have bad TEs. There are plenty of decent to good early to mid to even later round picks who we point out as being good potential fits that Grier routinely passes on to either trade out or draft some scrub.
     
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  8. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. If a team is going to go with a QB like Tua, it is essential that you get him a good TE as well as some taller/bigger receivers. He's a shorter QB himself, so if you have all of these shorter receivers, it makes it much more difficult to see them over the linemen. Even Tua once said he can't see over the linemen and has to see through lanes. If you're mobile and fast, you can run across and see more lanes to throw through, but if not, it makes it so much more difficult. You have to lob more throws. That's a huge mistake by Grier.
     
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  9. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    Dude was horrible. The stats sucked. The eye test said he was a joke. There was zero reward on that. I was pissed and said at the time that was dumb. They could've taken that pick and thrown it in the garbage and had a better result than wasting it on that bum.
     
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  10. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    I wasnt sold on Tua or Herbert. I wanted OL with the first pick and Hurts in a later round.
    The following year they took Waddle instead of Sewell.
    I know its old school thinking, but you've gotta build the line if you want any chance to succeed. Build the OL correctly and almost any QB can have success. Here we are 5 years later, Hurts has a ring and the Phins OL still sucks ***...
     
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    When the O line is never a big priority this is to be expected.And it's gone on for years.
     
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  12. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It may be old school thinking, but games are won and lost in the trenches.
     
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  13. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    The worst thing about that situation is that I expect they A) still hoped Austin Jackson would be their LT so didn't need another and B) We traded for Hill a year later. Sewell + Hill would have been a much better combo. But Grier messing up 2020 that badly looks to have been a death knell with everything else he did just a band-aid to fix it.
     
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  14. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    You have got to be sh!tting me
     
  15. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    Have to fire Grier on Monday. If they have trading opportunities, he cannot be involved
     
  16. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I agree, Grier has the be gone. He can't leave the Dolphins organization fast enough
     
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  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Yep. We won't fire McDaniel on a short week, but clear our Grier now and then if/when Buffalo annihilates us on TNF we can send McDaniel packing too.

    Very few guys who I would leave off the table. Pat Paul, Chop, this years rooks ... that's about it tbh. Obviously you won't trade your entire starting lineup, but make the right offer on guys like Waddle, Phillips, Achane, Sieler and Ill bite. I will want the acquiring team to not feel good about what they give up, but I'm not making them off limits. Aggressively try and offload Chubb and Tyreek.
     
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  18. M1NDCRlME

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    You and I were banging that drum for years. You caught a lot more flak for it than I did.
     
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    We'll give up 30+ again. Will we put up enough to be competitive? We'll see. I don't see how, after an ugly 0-3 start, you can keep McDaniel. Take the long break and try to reset the tone with him (and Grier) gone.

    The Hill and Chubb trades killed the ability to build a complete team. Hated both. Hope they can get something for them and all the other "talent" we have. Grier has to go soon to give whomever takes over time to build an attack plan.
     
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    I agree, I think McDaniel may have 5 days left as the head coach...unless this team can shock the world on Thursday.

    I just don't understand how we can't field a healthy offensive line. And maybe that's nobody's fault, but somehow we've had an injured left tackle for almost a decade now. It's like the position is cursed or something, I just don't get it. The protection looked better in the second half though as the offense started to find itself.

    Then I look at the secondary and I see Xavien Howard still playing good ball several years later on other teams, while we are starting unproven younger guys who need time in the system to really grow and mature. I just don't get it. How were we all-in on top corners for years, only to think we were okay without any experienced corners? It's literally baffling.
     
  21. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The answer to all of your questions lie with one man-Chris Grier.
     
  22. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    IMO if this team doesn't win the super bowl then everybody has to go. The day they are officially eliminated from playoff contention, send everybody packing. Win the division and lose in the playoffs, GONE. Win the Conference and lose in the Super Bowl, GONE. This **** has gone on far too long with too many missed opportunities and stupid "we're smarter than y'all" moments. If I was Ross people would've been fired the day the idiot said "you guys care about the OL more than we do", or whatever the hell it was that he said.
     
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    We have the longest playoff victory drought in the NFL now at 24 seasons. Can you believe that? At least with SBs we won a few. A bunch of teams never did, including Buffalo which I hope never does. Among teams that have won a SB, only the Jets have a longer drought. Pathetic.
     
  24. Vertical Limit

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    He cant be involved because like i said before, he will only make deals to try to salvage this bad roster. We need the interim GM in charge right now with the sole direction of, get as much picks as you can to help the new GM begin the rebuild
     
  25. Striking

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    Has to be done quickly because whomever takes over has to have some time to create a plan
     

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