Poll!Who thinks we need a new Qb?

We need a new owner first and foremost.
Then a new GM.

Then we worry about the rest. Until those two change, nothing else is going to matter.

 

Owner won't change. GM hopefully finally will but what Grier has on Ross no one knows. McD needs to be gone. Tua should go too unless the new HC wants him to stay.

 

F yes

 

Ross is always going to hire an inexperienced HC who doesn't know how to do the job properly. Until the top changes, its just moving furniture around, so big picture we just have to run out the clock and see what happens when Ross isn't around any more.

Grier has been a problem for the team since he was put in charge of the draft while Sparano was the HC. But it doesn't seem like Ross will ever fire him.

 

Really bad news on the Ross front. He was reportedly offered $10 billion to sell the team and Hard Rock Stadium and declined, saying he wants to keep it in his family. Jennifer Ross will inherit (most of) the team apparently. We're stuck.

 

Imagine being ret*rded enough that you wanted to extend Tua?

Oh well. Trade everything you can and replace Grier. Team won't be competitive anytime soon.

Tank with Tua. Give Ewers a look at some point, but definitely draft a QB with BIG tools, and keep doing that every year until you find your guy.

 

We'll see what she does when she takes over. No way to have any idea at this point. She could be an awesome owner who hires someone very experienced to run the team as soon as she takes over, or she could sell to someone who will. But we just have to wait it out.

 

We'll have a new starting QB in 2026.

 

I was completely off the Tua bandwagon during the Flores tenure, got on bandwagon when McD arrived and have been nothing but supportive of him.

However, something is wrong with Tua. Those beautiful deep balls he threw in 22, 23 and 24 are a thing of the past. He has lost arm strength, mobility and accuracy. His judgement is off.

Sadly, I think we need to move on. I don't think my eyes are deceiving me, the drop off is akin to what happened to Pennington after multiple surgeries. I can't understand the "why" but it doesn't matter anymore.

 

Asking if we need a new quarterback is the wrong question. I agree with Bumrush, something is off this year with Tua. Was he a flash of lightening in the bottle 2022/2024? Quite possibly and it may indeed be time to move on from him, but let’s be completely honest. Does anyone here TRULY believe the Dolphins would be any better with another quarterback?

Would the Dolphins be any better with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson or any other quarterback under center? I can confidently say absolutely not, not when you have personnel like Chris Grier managing this team’s talent.

Before I even consider any player changes, before I even consider any coaching changes, a change at general manager is paramount. If anyone thinks this team would be better with a different quarterback, with Chris Grier as GM, you’re not looking at the totality of the Dolphins problem.

 

Yes, we'd definitely be better off with a bunch of other QBs this year. Tua isn't playing anywhere near the level he played in past years. It shows statistically too. His rating is 87.1 which is below league average.

 

I dont know if they need a new QB. I see guys like Baker, Darnold, Goff, Geno, Daniel Jones be in better organizations (ok not Goff for this scenario) and be much better. The reality is, Tua hant had even decent protection since he's been in the league.

He's regressed no doubt, gets happy feet, locks on to a receiver., doesnt let plays develop sometimes. was any of this the case when he came in? or did he develop these habits?

 

Someone else hit the nail on the head we first need a new owner, GM, and head coach. Since ownership won't change lets start by removing Greer and McDaniels as a matter of fact I'm scratching my head wondering why he is still the coach.
Sorry all you Tua supporters, the guy is not a starting QB caliber don't keep telling us how accurate he is, It's not hard when the majority of your throws are at or behind the line scrimmage. All these years in the league and he still throws stupidly into coverage. Sorry Tua hit his ceiling years ago, there is no upswing and McDaniels deserves to be fired for hitching himself to the Tua post.

 

Brad, our defense is giving up 370 yards per game and has allowed 11 touchdowns and 97 points…in only 3 games!!!

If anyone thinks a different quarterback is going to make a difference when we can’t stop a team from scoring at will…

 

We'd definitely be better on offense, which is ranked 25th in points and yards right now. Would it improve our record? I think we'd be at minimum 1-2, not sure about 2-1 due to the defense.

 

The team stinks. The guy on the Bengals came in for Burrow and promptly threw three interceptions and they still won the game.

If Tua throws three interceptions the Dolphins are losing that game 56-10.

 

Your franchise QB should be a major reason you win games, not just a cog in the machine. Yes, the team currently sucks as a whole, but so does Tua.

In the Marino years, no matter how bad the team was, we always felt we had a chance to win the game simply because Marino was our QB. Tua does not even come close to that.

 

Well yes, they would be better with any of those players, as those players can manage the bad surrounding cast better than Tua can. That alone would maybe change McDaniel's playcalls.

We can't even run a QB sneak, for crying out loud.

 

Personally, I've always advocated for drafting a mid-round quarterback every season, carry three quarterbacks, and always have one or two in development. Why? Because Tannehill is great....oops, Tannehill sucks...wait, Tannehill is pretty great...nope, Tannehill is a bum. Same thing with Henne, Tua, etc, etc, etc. Every QB has strengths and limitations.

Here's what I wouldn't do- trade Tua, draft a high 1st round QB, build an entire offense around that guy. That's what our GMs continue to do and it's like throwing darts....don't bet the entire future on one player. Look at horse racing, every stable has a dozen or more promising young colts before racing season. Some are decent, some aren't, and every now and then one is a total stud. They never actually know though until the horses are loaded up into the gate and set loose against competition.

We need that same philosophy, fill our stable with young talent and let the stud QB start. Or trade for journeyman QB outcasts like a Baker Mayfield and develop them for a few seasons; that's okay too. I mean, look what we got out of Fitzpatrick...on a team that was built to lose all 17 games. My point is to keep developing multiple QBs through the draft and free agency until you have a clear starter...and even then you continue doing what you're doing since that won't be your guy forever.

 

When discussions get all wrapped around quarterbacks, the big picture of complete team play gets lost.

The Philadelphia Eagles are the current Super Bowl champions. Their quarterback, Jalen Hurts is the number 7 ranked quarterback in the NFL, behind Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield and Matthew Stafford. So how is it the reigning Super Bowl champion quarterback be rated so much lower than 4 of the 6 above him have never been to the Super Bowl? If these quarterbacks are sooooo much better, then by the quarterback argument logic, they should have what Hurts has, but why don’t they?

The Eagles have the better TEAM and because of that, the EAGLES have a championship and those others do not. The point being, the Dolphins are so terrible this season, a different quarterback isn’t going to make a difference. If these quarterbacks with a Dolphins TEAM was a complete team, either Tua (thus far not this season) or any other starting caliber quarterback could actually have some success and the Dolphins record wouldn’t be a dismal 0-3.

I’ve been beating the drum for YEARS of building a complete TEAM…build that proverbial race car BEFORE getting the driver, but inevitably we keep swinging on quarterbacks with a sh!tty team and then want to put all of the blame on said quarterback for a team’s pathetic record.

To reiterate, Tua is NOT playing well this season and maybe it is time to move on from him but a néw quarterback alone under this team’s current situation is going to result in continued mediocrity.

 

I don't think it's debatable that the greatest QBs can have a huge impact on offensive production and team win% when they change teams. One of the best examples was with Peyton Manning when he went from Indy to Denver. Denver's offense when immediately from 25th in points scored to #2, and the next year at #1 and then #2 again. Win% went from 8-8 prior to Manning to 13-3, 13-3 and 12-4. That's the impact of a great QB. Conversely, Indy's offense went from #4 in points scored in Manning's last year to 28th the next year with 8 more losses. Suck for Luck or not, that shows you how massive the effect of the QB can be. Sure, QB wasn't the only change, but that's the key predictor of performance when you have a QB that good.

So let's not assume that an elite QB couldn't vastly improve our chances. You're right about our defense being terrible, which is why I said I'm not sure if we'd be 1-2 or 2-1, but an elite QB would vastly improve our fortunes.

 

NOT with THIS team

 

You realize we went 10-6, 9-8, 9-8, 11-6, 8-9 the past 5 years. This is NOT some kind of bottom of the barrel team like Cleveland or Detroit often were. This is an average team talent-wise. Absolutely an elite QB could take it to the next level.

 

You're 100% correct. But who's the elite QB in next year's draft class? Who's a free agent that's going to be elite in the future?

That's the whole problem- evaluating the potential to become elite talent. Once a quarterback is elite, he's almost never traded until the end of his career (when the team no longer sees him as elite). There are outliers like Deshaun Watson, who ended up being potentially the worst NFL contract ever signed. So even the elite QBs aren't guaranteed to remain that way.

It's easy to say that an elite QB has a huge impact, but finding that guy and having him start for a decade feels more like a diamond in the rough. For every Marino, there's hundreds of Cleo Lemons. Yet someone actually believed that old Cleo was going to be an elite player in the NFL.

 

Elite QBs are a rare commodity these days. Especially when you look at the fact that of the top ten QBs taken in the 2021, 22 and 23 drafts, only a couple are even still starters, and those guys have question marks. From 2019-23, the only one's who are even in the conversation are Herbert, who isn't there quite yet, and Burrow, who's always hurt. I don't personally think that any of the QBs taken in 2024 or 25 are going to be elite either, but time will tell.

 

I know.. it's like with HCs. Keep trying until you find one. Thing about Tua is he has shown that in the right system he can play elite. So it should be up to the next HC to decide his fate. That HC will have to decide whether he wants to risk his career on Tua or a draft pick or someone else. That's sufficient motivation.

 

I started to write the same thing about Burrow...clearly elite, yet delivering little because his team can't protect him and he's always hurt.

Mr. Irrelevant with the 49ers, who's also out hurt. He could be an elite candidate. It sucks getting old, I know his name but can't think of it for the life of me.

 

Purdy. We'll see how he turns out. He's also fallen a bit.

 

It would be a lot easier if the Fins were in the NFC, because I think you could argue that when healthy, the five best QBs in the league are in the AFC. It doesn't leave a lot of wriggle room for everyone else. The NFC has a mix of old guys on their last legs, second tier players, journeymen and young guys who still have something to prove.

 

Offenses are changing. Every team dinks and dunks now. Hurts threw for 100 yards last week and won. Even Allen on Thursday didn't complete one pass over 8 air yards. The deep ball is dead.

 

Add in the fact that every drive begins at the 35-40 yard line, teams are happy methodically driving the ball down the field.

Add in the fact that kickers are kicking 55+ yard field goals with ease. You only need 20 yards to get into scoring position.

The deep ball is in fact dead or dying.

 

With a different quarterback…a starting caliber quarterback, MAYBE we would have won against the Patriots, but we still would have lost to Indianapolis (who scored on every one of their possessions) and to Buffalo.

We’d be 1-2 instead of 0-3 but still a sh!tty TEAM.

 

Tbf, that Indy game was well within reach, with a QB without Tua's limitations. It ended very lopsided, but the QB play was bad.

I think we could be 2-1 or even 3-0 with a good QB.

 

The Colts game was well within reach lol, the Colts only scored on 8 straight possessions at ease. What the **** are you talking about?

 

It's amazing how little football knowledge you actually have.

Tua threw a pick on the first possession, leaving the Dolphins down 0-3. Tua fumbled on the second possession, leaving the Dolphins down 0-10. Third possession Tua took two sacks on the last set of downs, leading to a punt, leaving the Dolphins down 0-17.

Are you really so dense that you truly can't see how Tua is limiting the offensive playcalling and dooming the offense?

Yes, a better QB has us in that game. Down 17-0 at halftime, and you get the ball first to start the half?? Yes, game is in reach.

Then Tua throws a pick on the first possession of the third quarter.

Yeah, a better QB wouldn't have mattered at all.

But I'm the ****ing troll.