No, I don't think it's a major stretch. I think it's much more of a stretch for you to be in here arguing that Pennington has a strong arm. He doesn't. He can't throw out patterns with enough zip, and he can't throw the deep ball with much zip. He gets it done in other ways, and that's fine, but a player like Ginn suffers because of Pennington's limitations. It's really that simple.
But to say that Ginn would breakout under a quarterback that is better suited for his strengths is to make a prediction based on nothing other than potential. We haven't seen it, we don't know it will happen.. hypothetical hyperbole.
When did I say that? Do all quarterbacks that can't make all the throws have "weak arms?" Is there no inbetween weak and strong?
Back to voting... Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [54] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [29] Ronnie Brown [74] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [6] - ROOKIE Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16]+ Did great things for us Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [4] Joey Porter [20] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [7] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [55] + Can't we please just appreciate the best QB we've had since Marino? Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [28] - Time to RICO act the TGM. Ronnie Brown [74] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [6] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [4] Joey Porter [20] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [7] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [27] - Ronnie Brown [75] + Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [6] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [4] Joey Porter [20] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [7] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13][/QUOTE]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [28] + Ronnie Brown [75] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [6] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3]- Joey Porter [20] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [7] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
"You wanna know how to get Gish? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way! And that's how you get Gish. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?"
No, it's not totally based on potential...it's based on what I, and others, saw last year. That is, we saw times when Ginn had his guy beat, and was just too far downfield for Pennington to feel comfortable throwing it, so he didn't. Even when he did throw the deep ball to Ginn, it wasn't always on target...see the Buffalo game, when Ginn had to come back and make a great catch on a pass that should have been an easy TD, as Ginn had his man beat badly. Point is, there were plenty of times last season when a QB other than Pennington could have made some big plays with a pass downfield.
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [29] + Ronnie Brown [74] - Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [6] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [20] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [7] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [28] - So afraid of contact he doesn't even return kicks any more. Ronnie Brown [74] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [6] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] + Licking his chops with the return of 99. Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [7] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
wow, ignorance and groundless speculation taken to a whole new level. the rest of the world just became smarter in comparison to that comment. rest of the world [1] + Vengeful Odin [0] -
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [54]- Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [29] + Ronnie Brown [74] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [6] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [7] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [54] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [29] Ronnie Brown [74] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [5]- I will argue it untill they are all gone. No more Rooks! Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] + Would of had a special season if he hadnt gotten hurt before the end. Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [55] + Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [28] - Ronnie Brown [74] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [5] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [55] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [28] Ronnie Brown [75] +++ Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [4]---- Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Just a reminder: Count currently stands in favor of adding JT into the contest at a 4 - 3 vote. He will either be added or won't be added tomorrow morning. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [56]+++ Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [27]--- I heard he was so scared of contact that he wore his shoulder pads to a non contact practice last year. Ronnie Brown [75] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [4] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Don't worry, once Teddy is gone, it will go rather smoothly. It's like taking a giant turd, once you get past the initial stages, the rest flies right on out.
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [56] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [27] Ronnie Brown [76] +++ Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [3] --- Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [57]+ Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [26]- Ronnie Brown [76] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [3] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Well.... we haven't officially formed one yet... we've come up with a name that has a nice ring to it, the UnTEDables... a play on the title of the movie "The Untouchables"... If I had to compile a list of participants... Myself MonstBlitz Vengeful Odin Dol-fan Dupree wpgfishfan that's what I can see so far being the most active against Teddy Ginn. Anyone can join, as long as they show their loyalty to the cause of making sure Ginn doesn't win this. From there, you are free to vote for whomever you wish... break the Mafia, regain the streets, freedom for all.
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [56] - Cause he can't throw it to the best receiver on the team Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [27] + Cause he's the best receiver on the team Ronnie Brown [76] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [3] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
You can officially count me in. Even though I was a Ted Ginn fan, am a Ted Ginn fan, and always will be (as long as he's a Dolphin) a Ted Ginn fan, I do not think he's worthy of the title this year. Do you think we'll be able to talk Gish into making us an UnTEDable sig?
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [57] + He throws it to all the WRs on the team. Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [26] - Ronnie Brown [76] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [3] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [57] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [27] + Ronnie Brown [76] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [2]- Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [51] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [57] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [27] Ronnie Brown [75] - Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [2] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [3] Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [52] + Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
I get the Ted Ginn fandom. I really do. But what I don't get is blaming Chad Pennington for Ted not being a better WR. That's borderline insanity. What makes Ted Ginn have such a special skill set that he's being limited by Pennington while other WRs have thrived? Wayne Chrebet, Laverneous Coles, Santanna Moss, Jericho Cotchery, Greg Camarillo, and even Ted Ginn himself to a certain degree. The guy led our team to an AFC championship title. And don't kid yourself, it was his arm, however weak some of you may perceive it to be that got us there. So I buy the argument that he's a good receiver who will get better. But the whole, "Chad Pennington is holding him back" argument is a crock of ****, IMHO.
I wasnt going to get involved in this whole war thing with Ginn but this is the WORST arguement i have ever seen. I hope you aren't even remotely serious on this. Pennington spreads the ball around fairly and if sometimes he doesnt take chances on Ginn its because he feels he is not quite reliable YET and may cause a turnover. May i remind you that it is because Pennington did not turn it over that we won so many games.
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [57] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [27] Ronnie Brown [75] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [1] - almost down to one more rook. Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [4]+ More valuable than people realize Joey Porter [21] Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [52] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]
Chad Henne [18] Chad Pennington [57] Davone Bess [16] Ted Ginn [26] - Runs out of bounds after he catches the ball. Grow a pair. Ronnie Brown [75] Vontae Davis [18] Will Allen [11] Gibril Wilson [9] Sean Smith [1] Ricky Williams [13] Lousaka Polite [7] Yeremiah Bell [16] Patrick Cobbs [8] Channing Crowder [4] Joey Porter [22] + JT is 35, and we're talking about Porter slowing down? Really? Justin Smiley [6] Kendall Langford [11] Vernon Carey [13] Jake Long [52] Anthony Fasano [10] Greg Camarillo [8] Jason Ferguson [8] Phillip Merling [11] Matt Roth [12] Tony Sparano [13]