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Looking ahead to 2010 prospects

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by joeydolfan, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. ckparrothead

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    The OL already has the ability to dominate games. Look what it did against the Colts, quite possibly the best team in the NFL.

    But there's a reason they say a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. With the sheer DOMINANCE that the offensive line laid upon the Colts that day, we should have been up by at least three scores heading into the fourth quarter. We weren't, because the receivers and tight ends couldn't help us punch the ball in the end zone. And from there, our biggest weakness in the defense, a defensive secondary that has been strained by the presence of two rookies, allowed the Colts the crack in the wall they needed to bust through and win.

    I hope the defensive secondary will get better with experience, but I see no reason the receivers group will get better unless we plunk down some investment there.

    Think of that game as like the Super Bowl. They'll probably end up in the Super Bowl anyway. What would we do if we got in the Super Bowl against a team like that with a QB like that? Even with an unbelievably dominant OL performance...we LOSE.

    Without blinking, yes.

    I've seen nothing to suggest this front office wouldn't take Daniels off his injury. And as for Chambers, we've had no word that the Dolphins even put a claim in on him. On the other hand, other players that were cut that the Dolphins put claim on, such as Richie Incognito, we've heard about. It suggests we didn't put a claim in on him at all...which suggests maybe they don't think so highly of him. Just putting that out there.
     
  2. alen1

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    I don't think he deserves to go top five, as explosive as he is. He needs to stop having these small injuries to his legs.

    I see three teams in the top seven that are possibilities for Spiller. Maybe four.
     
  3. djphinfan

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    Spiller looks nice at the chiefs at #5, let him and cassell play with each other.
     
  4. padre31

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    Hmm:

    Bucs? Wouldn't make sense not with Suh on board

    Rams? They need a Qb, and have Steven Jackson.

    Lions? Maybe, but Eric Berry is there and their defense is putrid

    Browns? Do they stick with Quinn? They could use defensive help.

    Chefs? They are using LeCharles

    Redskins? Samuals is d-o-n-e, they need a LT and will they stick with Campbell?

    Raiders? After taking McFadden? And Russel is a bust
     
  5. djphinfan

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    Delmas looks to be a real good one, so maybe back on the lions considering theres no tackle valued that high {they need one of those]...They need dline and linebacker though, idk.

    Those are good points, should be interesting where the top rated {on a lot of boards} offensive skill player goes.

    I said he was a top 10 pick last year so i think he fit in nicely somewhere thru 5 -10.

    He may be a player that drops idk, maybe the whole 'he does'nt have a true position theory' will creep into some GM's heads.
     
  6. alen1

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    Mohamed Sanu makes plays. Every time I watch the guy, he's doing something big. He's built well and he runs well.
     
  7. Gunner

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    Nice! He was everything you said he was ... too bad his team lost tonight. I think he'd look great in Aqua & Orange:up:
     
  8. texanphinatic

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    1. Bucs - suh/Berry
    2. Rams - Suh/QB
    3. Lions - McCoy/Russel/Berry/Spiller (they need a running game bad, and he would complement KJ)
    4. Browns - Could def. see Spiller here - they lack explosion on offense in general - also may go QB or Defense
    5. Chiefs - Russell/Berry - need a bigger back to pair with Charles, not CJ
    6. Redskins - Another good fit for CJ - Portis is about done, and they lack explosion behind him (or from him tbh) - could also look for Russell/Berry
    7. Raiders - McCoy other - not Spiller though

    I see 2 shots in the top 7 in the Browns or Skins. Snyder loves flashy moves and Spiller could be it, especially if Bradford is off the table.

    IMO a lot of the early round stuff will hinge on the Rams going either QB or DL, and what team actually finishes "first" - Rams or Bucs.

    Going on, the Broncs have Buckhalter (playing well) and Moreno, plus defensive needs. If they dont resign Marshall (Im 95% sure they will) then its Dez Bryant. 9ers will need a tackler and a CB, though if they dont see Haden or another CB as being worth a high pick they may go BPA like with Crabtree.

    Seahawks could be a landing zone though for sure, but they will need to get a LT soon big time.

    Its somewhat shocking when you look how many teams STILL need LTs after all the good ones that have been brought in the last 3ish years.
     
  9. Prime Time

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    It's important we find a viable #1 receiver draft in this draft. I see zero chance that Miles Austin, Vincent Jackson, or Brandon Marshall will hit the market. Antonio Bryant maybe but does he really give us that threat?

    I think we have to shop Ted Ginn Jr. for a 4th or 5th rounder. in Bess, Hartline, and Camarillo I am confident we have a good group of supporting receivers but I am not so sure that Antonio Bryant stitches the wound at the this position.

    Thoughts?
     
  10. Prime Time

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    For this draft to be worthwhile we have to land one of the following players in Round 1...

    CJ Spiller, Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, Jermaine Gresham, Mike Iupati, Rolando McClain, Brandon Spikes, Dan Williams, Terrence Cody, Earl Thomas, Derrick Morgan, or Golden Tate..I mean there are other players but these are the players that would help us the most.
     
  11. Prime Time

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    As much as he is over-hyped I could throw Taylor Mays on that list b/c free safety is obviously a major need for us now...
     
  12. padre31

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    I think these Wr could be on our radar:

    1. Antonio Bryant
    2. Domenik Hixon
    3. Malcolm Floyd.
    4. Chris Chambers

    Floyd is interesting because he will likely be lost in the shuffle in SD with both Vince Jackson and S Merriman both wanting large contracts, the Bolts may just slap a 2nd round tender offer on him.

    Chambers because Irish and Co made the move for JT because the contract price was right, if Chambers offers a hometown discount we could see him back in Miami imho.
     
  13. alen1

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    I think Bryant gives us a down field threat.

    I don't know if he's a free safety at the next level. He may be a more in the box player. However, it wouldn't surprise me if this management showed interest in him as I brought up in the past. The reason is because he's got good range and he's a helluva an athlete. Problem is, he's very shaky in coverage which is why I said he's maybe a box player.
     
  14. jim1

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    Mays is a SS, no way he plays FS in the pros. At least not well. Might end up at OLB.
     
  15. alen1

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    Only way I can picture him as an OLB if he goes a team that runs a Tampa 2 and he plays weak side.
     
  16. Prime Time

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    I do like Antonio Bryant but I would still like us to bring someone else into the mix.. Bryant, Hartline, Camarillo, Bess, and Arrelious Benn would take me from six to midnight in a jiffy
     
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  17. Stitches

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    I think you could take Chambers off and add Jason Avant and Braylon Edwards.
     
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  18. padre31

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    Hmm...to me if Chambers would take a lower level contract I could really see him back in Miami.

    Not feeling Butter Braylon and imho the Eagles move Reggie Brown and keep Avant.
     
  19. alen1

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    I think that's a realistic wide receiver group. I just don't know if they want a wide receiver as bad as some want on here. I could see them bypassing a wide receiving for the first couple rounds in order to select a tight end (say Jermaine Gresham), an inside linebacker (Rolando McClain, Josh Bynes, Brandon Spikes, Micah Johnson) and/or outside linebacker (Brandon Lang, Jerry Hughes, AJ Edds, and possibly Sergio Kindle).
     
  20. jim1

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    That but I'd prefer Malcolm Floyd over Bryant.
     
  21. jim1

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    That could work, but I think that he could put some weight on that frame and make the move a la Davis from Carolina.
     
  22. alen1

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    Possibly.
     
  23. jim1

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    Dude would be a terror off the edge and a great cover WOLB. Then there's always the "setting the edge" issue...
     
  24. alen1

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    If he's disciplined.
     
  25. SJ2100

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    Does anybody have a scouting report on Gresham? Is he a better or worse prospect than Brandon Pettigrew was last year? Is there a NFL TE that might be a good comparision?
     
  26. alen1

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    I think he and Pettigrew are different players. Gresham is a tall, seam busting target that can make the difficult catch but can also have the dropped ball that makes you think his concentration is questionable. He's not the same blocker as Pettigrew, I think that's for sure. Unlike Pettigrew, Gresham is an interference blocker that will go low on the defender from what I've seen. On the flip side, Pettigrew was a pass catcher that worked best horizontally and showed very good hands. He was also the best blocker by a mile in this class and last years class IMO. He's got great strength to fight off pass rushers and he did a really nice job walling off defenders. He was also just as good in space which I found impressive. However, he's not the vertical threat that Gresham is.
     
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  27. jim1

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    No doubt that Gresham is very good, but I'd rather re-sign David Martin and use the 1st pick on Benn or Dan Williams. Maybe Jerry Hughes, but I'd rather get a WR or NT as opposed to an OLB. Still a fan of Sean Lee inside.
     
  28. alen1

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    I imagine they want a guy who they can count on for the long haul at the tight end position. David Martin would be a stop gap IMO. It wouldn't surprise me to see them take a guy like Gresham and then come back with a guy like Nate Byham. Or Byham and Graham.

    Re: Drafting Benn - The thing that sticks out in my mind right now is the success of Miles Austin. He was undrafted, like Bess, and he has had success. Greg Camarillo went undrafted too I believe and he's a success. Brian Hartline was a fourth round pick and he's having success. Patrick Crayton was a seventh round pick and he's having success. Not all of these guys came from this regime but they have had success as later draft picks. They took Turner pretty high and he's flopped. Makes me think they would take a guy late, maybe a guy like Taylor Price or Delashaun Dean.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    I don't want the great plan at the WR position to be Malcolm Floyd. The guy has been in this league six years and had Drew Brees and Phil Rivers throwing him the ball.

    I mean seriously, we have huge issues at the WR position and the cure is a guy who in his sixth year finally managed to catch for 600+ yards? He's got 581 yards and 1 TD through 14 games. Color me unimpressed.

    Antonio Bryant, meanwhile, has averaged 68.5 yards per game on a 15.5 yards per catch (with 10 TDs) over the last 26 games (2 seasons)...with Jeff Garcia, Brian Griese, Luke McCown, Byron Leftwich, Josh Johnson and Josh Freeman throwing him the ball.

    I really, really do not understand this hesitation about Antonio Bryant. It would be one thing if he looked to be slowing down this year. But his 16.7 yards per catch average suggests otherwise. It suggests he's missed some games with injury and had some bad QBs throwing him the ball.

    If you bring in a Malcolm Floyd, IMO it's because you're ALSO bringing in an Antonio Bryant.

    The future of this WRs unit should probably be Bryant and Hartline with Bess and Camarillo coming in for third downs and in important situations.
     
  30. jim1

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    I started a thread on FH looking for a pattern with these mid/late round/FA steals- Austin, Colston, Marshall, Sims-Walker, Vincent Jackson- big dudes who can run. Marshall is just a stud and Austin, even before he started putting up galactic numbers, just oozed potential to me. The problem with duplicating that kind of drafting success/luck- easier said than done.

    I'm not for reaching, but a #1 is such a crying need- would Benn be a reach? I don't think so. But maybe a Briscoe (character questions aside) is available in the second or third, maybe we take a flyer on Mike Williams in the 4th. Who knows. Maybe FA provides the answer. I still think that Benn would solve a lot of problems for us as opposed to hoping and wishing that we got lucky later on in the draft. Maybe Floyd or Bryant is the answer, I don't know. But they HAVE to get a #1. I seriously doubt that Benn would fall to us in the 2nd rd if we passed on him in the 1st. Ravens/Ozzie Newsome would probably take care of that. Dude is a stud, despite his pedestrian #'s this year and the Zook/Juice problems.

    Nonetheless, I could easily see us going the FA route for WR, drafting defense 1st rd, and hoping that a good WR falls to us in the 2nd, maybe Gilyard, who knows.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv9AYQqxYiY&feature=related"]YouTube- Arrelious Benn working against future secondary playmakers[/ame]
     
  31. Gunner

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    Speak of the devil:

    Fresno State junior running back Ryan Mathews will enter the NFL draft, sources close to the situation said Monday.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4761924
     
  32. alen1

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    The smartest plan for Miami would probably be Antonio Bryant (all around excellent WR) who has matured tremendously and is in his prime as well as affordable, Gresham, and a third-down back. Pick an OLB with your second round pick and sign D'Qwell Jackson and you're ready to go, especially if you find an inexpensive solution at FS. Re-sign Brown and Ferguson and I think you're set.

    1- Greshman(hopefully he proves he's healthy enough to warrant consideration here)
    2- OLB
    3- RB/PR
    4- FS

    Perhaps you can use Tedd Ginn Jr. strictly on KRs and as an occasional deep threat.
     
  34. alen1

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    I'm not debating whether he's a reach or not, Jim. I'm fine with taking Benn as I like his game. I'm simply speaking on what I think this FO might be doing.
     
  35. jim1

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    I hear you, and you make sense. My point is that we have three pretty good WRs, Cam/Bess/Hartline, but the crown jewel needs to be added to make the set complete and functional. The synergy isn't there- how far do you go to get it? I really don't know the answer- my best guess would be FA pickup and see which WRs fall to us in the 2nd. Maybe we get a Lafell or Gilyard. But if there's a conviction on Benn I'd be all for it. It's a confusing situation, especially given the other needs that we have on the team. In the draft opportunity cost will always rear its ugly head.
     
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  36. alen1

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    This draft is about to get very interesting. The reason ? Earl Thomas is said to be declaring for the Draft very soon and it wouldn't surprise me if this team looked at him.

    Expect Evan Royster to go too.

    Von Miller is going to the Draft. He's gotten a lot of interest from two teams, the Patriots and Steelers, and it's said that they are potentially looking at him as a first round grade.
     
  37. texanphinatic

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    I see a few mocks with the Texans taking him, and that I can definitely see. They will imo go either to p DB or DL with their pick, and if they pick ahead of us it could well be Thomas.

    I would love to see us bring in Bryant, Ive been on his train for awhile. Dude is a stud and playmakers playing for a terrible team with terrible QBs. Bring him here where there is a consistent running game, solid OL to give passing time, and some secondary threats around him ... that to me is something we NEED.

    Then we can think about one more playmaker type in the draft. Be it a Gresham/Benn in the first or someone like Gilyard/Briscoe in the second.

    IMO, our biggest failing in the last draft wasnt White - it was Turner and Hartline. Hartline has progressed well, and I cant complain about him on the field, but I do complain about what the "plan" was for the WR corps. We tossed all our eggs in the Ginn basket, and instead of taking any of the number of guys who are turning out to be playmakers, we took Camarillo 2.0 and a tall guy who cant run or get seperation. Instead we could have done with Wallace, Sims-Walker, Knox etc. If we DO go for a WR later in the draft instead of earlier, please I hope we look at some guys who can RUN.
     
  38. mroz

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    no more buckeyes... besides we already have Ginn. :shifty:
     
  39. Stitches

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    I don't think this is the 1st time I have seen you mention this, but Sims-Walker is in like his 3rd year, he is not a rookie.
     
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    I love everything Royster puts on the football field. I know he doesn't have breakaway speed, but he just seems to do everything really well (though master of none, except passes out of the backfield maybe).
     

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