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How to get competitive fast

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bonedoc7777, Dec 10, 2007.

  1. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 New Member

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    Guys look around at the teams that are playing for a spot in the playoffs right now, bills, browns, vikings, jacksonville, they all dont have great QB'S right now, they invested in thier offensive lines and drafted good to great RB, lynch, peterson, lewis, taylor and jones drew, the phins need to spend money of the offensive line, maybe overpay to get them here, and draft mcfadden to team with who ever is healthy, now you can contol the ball, protect the young QB, and rest the defense, this formula has worked for the above teams and could have a fast turnaround for us
     
  2. L.T.21

    L.T.21 New Member

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    Why invest in McFadden when you have Ronnie Brown? Last I checked he was having a VERY solid year...

    Is there something more to the injury?

    Drafting McFadden would be a HUGE mistake. He's a good player don't get me wrong --- but RB is the least of worries the GM should have.
     
  3. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Not to bash your idea too much, but how about you look at the common theme for the top 4 teams in the NFL?

    New England = Tom Brady
    Indianapolis = P Manning
    Dallas = T Romo
    Green Bay = Brett Favre

    Conclusion: getting a good Oline, Rb, Defense gets you to the playoffs. having an upper tier QB separates you from the pack.
     
  4. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Totally agree wrt the offensive line. We SHOULD have been signing---even overpaying if we had to---FA O linemen for the last three years.
     
  5. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Right now I'd be happy to just be WITH the pack.
     
  6. L.T.21

    L.T.21 New Member

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    You want my answer to HOW TO GET COMPETITIVE FAST?


    TRADE DOWN THE PICK AND TRADE DOWN AGAIN FOR MULTIPLES

    If you think the defense is bad this year, wait till next year when veterans start leaving for greener pastures. In order compensate those losses, and to give some of the fans something to talk about (renew season tickets, sell new season tickets) --- get new college players.
     
  7. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 New Member

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    my point is that it would be nice to play games in december that means something to build on
     
  8. L.T.21

    L.T.21 New Member

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    Good debate..IMHO

    A good offensive line creates a good QB.

    Hell, just a take a look at Rivers this year. Our shaky offensive line practically almost gets him killed every game. Granted PR plays with Timberlands on, but if you give a QB ample time to step in and throw -- he'll do wonders.

    Take for example the loss of Nick Hardwick (C) --- what a difference ONE player on the offensive line makes.
     
  9. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    I think Dorsey would make us competative fast

    he is not a sexy pick and not exactly the prize an 0-16 team deserves, but the middle of our line is sooooooooo porous he would be a nice addition

    then all we would need would be a CB, a TE, a MLB, a pass rushing DE/OLB, a WR and an insurance devel QB

    it would be nice to see Abe Wright play since nobody is getting near the QB
     
  10. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 New Member

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    is there a franchise offensive lineman out there in the draft, or do you overpay some guys like fanica
     
  11. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    We can't get competitive fast. It takes years of solid drafting and discipline with regards to free agency.

    Damnit, people, enough of this "I WANT IT NOW" mentality. You can't get it right now. You have to wait. Deal with it.
     
  12. sactownfinfan

    sactownfinfan New Member

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    Seriously people need to get over drafting mcfadden. If we draft him then what? Teams will be beating us by 14 every game thus enabling are 2 stud rbs obsolete. We need to go defense in the 1st round and def with one of our 2nd round picks. The second of our escond round picks should go offense i.e best available receiver/TE. In free agency we should target the o line and if ALbert Haynesworth doesnt get franchised sign even if you have to over pay. Imagine this:
    1. Sign Haynesworth
    2. Draft Chris Long
    3. Faneca or smiley or both via free agency
    With our cap space we should have plenty for these moves and we solidify both our offense and defensive lines. Then in 2009 we can draft the skill positions with our top 10 pick. Just an idea but a damn better one then umm lets draft mcfadden and ignore every other position
     
  13. EightyTwenty

    EightyTwenty Don't laugh at the mule

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    The reason we stink is because of the "get competitive fast" mindset. Enough. There are no quick fixes - we need help across the board at almost every position. Our roster is bad. Real bad. Every year we try to "get competitive fast" is another year we delay getting back to being a good football team.
     
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  14. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    I wish Oher would come out, but I guess junior OT's don't usually declare
     
  15. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    too true, if we put together 3 or 4 for good drafts then that would be great

    but I don't see a true Polian type who could get us there
     
  16. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    This is why we should trade down with our top pick.
     
  17. EightyTwenty

    EightyTwenty Don't laugh at the mule

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    I don't have a problem with Mueller - I think he's had a good first draft - I do however think we need a really smart/young/fireball coach who knows what he's going to do, has a 5-year plan to get there, and knows EXACTLY the kind of players he wants so he can have Mueller (or whoever) find them.
     
  18. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    I don't think anybody disagrees with trading down

    it takes 2 to tango however
     
  19. CitizenSnips

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    Jake Long is a real good player, and might be worthy of our pick if we decide so. But i can't imagine anyone in Miami being too happy about that.
     
  20. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    How to become competitive fast: Stop trying to become competetive fast. See Miami Dolphins 1998 - 2006 for a point in case.
     
  21. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 New Member

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    i have no problem with being patient and drafting and developing players, that means losing no problem i am now used to that, are the rest of you guys ok with losing again next year
     
  22. EightyTwenty

    EightyTwenty Don't laugh at the mule

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    We're going to lose most of the time next year anyway, even if we do waste a lot of time/money in free-agency, so we might as well stop trying to put lipstick on a pig and do it right. If you look at the Patriots or Colts depth chart, you'll see that 70-75% of their starters are in-house draft picks that they've developed, not free-agents. And we're talking plenty of 3rd/4th/5th round pics - not just first/second rounders.
     
  23. late again

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    Exactly! A huge number of fans gloss right over that fact. We've had a revolving door at QB for the past several years; we've also had a weak O-line. If we had had a solid O-line, we may have been set at QB already.
     
  24. mmikel30

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    FANECA IS THE BEST GUARD IN THE GAME ....WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO OVERPAY ANYONE TO GET THEM TO PLAY FOR A WINLEES TEAM O'H JAKE LONG.... DEE DEE DEE
     
  25. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    LG's and RT's can be found in the 2nd round. Satele, Carey, Hadnot have been having good years. So hopefully the team can resign Hadnot without a huge overpay. Draft a RT or LG with one of the 2nd rounders (whichever is BPA), and sign a free agent for the other spot.
     
  26. mmikel30

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    THEY SHOULD LET HADNOT TEST THE MARKET INSTEAD OF OVERPAYING HADNOT IS AVERAGE AT BEST
     
  27. BALLS DEEP

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    Right now we can't even see the pack. They are in Colorado and we are in Western Moscow comparatively speaking. When we can get up to 9 wins we can start worrying about separating. We can't hit the # 20 team in the NFL with a SAM missile.
     
  28. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Maybe you should take a closer look:

    New England: LT (Matt Light) drafted in the second round

    Indianapolis: LT (Tarik Glenn; retired prior to the season and boy can you tell) drafted in the first round

    Dallas: LT (Flozell Adams) drafted in the second round

    Green Bay: LT (Chad Clifton) drafted in the second round

    And now compare that to where the respective QBs were drafted. Do you notice a certain trend?
     
  29. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    I think when this team is healthy that we have a pretty effective offence. Prior to Trent Green and Ronnie B going down we were rated about #14 in the league in offence, and were showing signs of definite improvement.

    I think we're only one player away from having a pretty good O-Line, with Carey and Satele being above average and Hadnot and Shelton being average. Ronnie Brown and Reagan Mauia make for a good starting running game and Chatman, Booker and Cobbs are OK as backups/3rd down backs. Booker and Ginn Jr make a nice 1-2 on the WR front, although we do need a better #3 than Hagan. Although Ginn and Hagan are showing signs of developing further. A good TE would be nice. At QB it's a bit too early to tell if Beck is a keeper or not, but as Culpepper, Frerrotte, Harrington, Feeley and Lemon have shown getting good at the QB position is usually about developing your own players, not getting somebody else's.

    So, I think we have most of the pieces of the puzzle in place for a quick turnabout on offence. Where the problem lies is on defence.

    Seriously there isn't anybody on our defence that we can't upgrade.
    - JT: has been a cancer all year and IMO has adversely affected the play of other who look to him as a leader.
    - Traylor: been injured and is 38
    - Rod Wright and Matt Roth: showed flashes of being adequate but has been pushed around like rag dolls at times.
    - Joey Porter: has improved in the back half of the season but hasn't played like a $20M man. Too expensive to replace.
    - ZT: great player but injuries mean he can no longer be relied upon
    - Channing Crowder and Derrick Pope: See Rod Wright and Matt Roth
    - Will Allen: has actually had a decent year at CB.
    - Other bozos playing CB: who dem?
    - Jason Allen: Too expensive to cut, but has had some half decent games.
    - Yeremiah Bell: snap crackle pop.
    - Other bozos playing safety: Are these guys actually in the league?

    This defence needs to be blown up and rebuilt, and a large part of the reason for that is that the young players we expected to take a step up and help out this year (Roth, Wright, Crowder, Allen etc.) have ALL proven that they were overrated. For a sudden turnaround to occur these players need to step up and show that they're more than situational backups.

    This team is probably 2 solid drafts away from being competitive because the entire defencce needs to be upgraded.
     
  30. vt_dolfan

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    I would just be happy to have a young team that we can watch grow...and develop. Hell...Ive been a fin fan this long..another four years aint no thang. I really dont care if we only win 4 games next year...I just want to see some evidence that we are headed in the right direction.
     
  31. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    A funny thing happens when you reach the playoffs. You can't take care of the ball and play good defense to advance. You will lose. Every team mentioned will lose.

    The answer to thread title has a very simple finish -

    "Get a quarterback."
     
  32. Whitedolphin54

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    I see your point shag, but I agree with him. We are so poor that we are not looking at SB right now. And not to bash your idea right now, but dont all those 4 teams have great O lines. They all have great QB's too, as you have pointed out. But if you put Brady/Manning behind our O line, they would do ok running, but not passing.

    Of the four probably only T Romo would survive.

    I guess from that, that you say he is the better QB of the four :lol:
     
  33. Whitedolphin54

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    :lol:
     
  34. unifiedtheory

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    Why do people want a running back when we have needs at defensive tackle, edge pass rusher, middle linebacker, corner, safety, guard, right tackle, tight end, receiver and maybe quarterback?

    Drafting McFadden would be the dumbest thing this franchise has done in a long time.
     
  35. Hugo Guzman

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    man oh man! Where do I start?

    First off, two of the guys mentioned in the original thread post are playing at a Pro Bowl level (Anderson and Garrard) and that is the main reason those teams are in playoff contention. Furthermore, Cleveland has two other Pro Bowl skill players and they are not playing RB. As for Jacksonville, their strength is defense, plain and simple.

    So using those two teams as examples of why a team should build around a running back are essentially null and void. And furthermore, if you need further proof of how a running back will not turn a team's fortunes around, just look at the Dolphins.

    Ronnie Brown put together a streak of 5 games that were All Pro caliber, yet the team still failed to win a single game. And back when Ricky Williams was posting huge numbers for the Dolphins, along with a top tier defense, Miami still failed to make the postseason.

    So again, the premise of this entire thread is bogus.

    I have a few other bones to pick with some of the posts on this thread, but I'll hold off for now.
     
  36. padre31

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    We need some playmakers on Offense, Ronnie is on a two year comeback time table, we may never have a shot at the #1 pick again.

    Your list omitted another key need, QB, Lemon is supposedly out of here in FA.

    One thing about this season is the fact that in a way, it's wasted, as we really didn't head into full blown rebuilding mode at the start of the season, so next year will be all out "rebuild".

    Cleveland is not in the same ballpark as Miami, they were terrible for years and stockpiled talent with top 8 #1 picks.

    First thing first, we need to decide roster spot by roster spot on who will be a Dolphin in 2008, and who won't be, we need to look at what failed in the Operational Side of the Team, and a decision has to made on both Cam and Randy.
     
  37. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    ......and those 8 picks didn't matter until they gave up on Charlie Frye and went to the bench. They found their quarterback.
     
  38. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 New Member

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    is our QB here now
     
  39. late again

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    It's the Matt Millen system for success, my friend. You ALWAYS......ALWAYS..draft a RB or WR with your first pick.....
    I guess it doesn't always work though, eh?
     
  40. sports24/7

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    Perfectly stated. The idea that the Browns got better because of Jamal Lewis is kind of laughable. Their entire team has gotten better, but the main reason is they found a stud QB in Anderson.
     

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