Anyone who wouldn't trade a 2nd or a 3rd and any of our WR for Marshall is flat out crazy and cares more about personal grudges than they do winning. Just my opinion.
Chillout baby bubba, I even asked for a link too, it isnt uncommon to ask, I respect you coming out here and dropping some knowledge on here, no matter how many days you have...look at me, Jan 2010 baby!! Guys listen, the FO has to make this happen, if they did this and drafted no BS defense with every pick in this years draft, I would be loving life....maybe sprinkle a free agent in there too...
Your completely right about that. I should have written if we go after Dansby and McClain is off the board at #12 then we should expect them to trade down and draft Kindle while adding a second round pick. Thanks for the correction.
I don't mind the fact that you ask but the way in which you asked for a link and the way in which LandShark asked for the link are completely different. I don't mind that someone asks me for a link especially since I am a new member and I know that it is common to ask regardless, but accusing me of making it up or getting it off of another forum is not the way to ask for a link. No big deal......Just defending myself.
Ok first off before we get even further off on the wrong foot let me say that on this site it's common practice to post a link to whatever story that you are referring to. Most people will post something like the headline of the story in which they are referencing, a quote or two from the said article and a Link the to article. There is even a sticky under the Miami Dolphins section referring to this. Most people on this forum are aggressively searching the web for Dolphin related Data. When we find something we generally follow the guidelines in above sticky so that all of our fellow Phins fans can enjoy the article and discuss it. It's obvious that my request for a link was upsetting and I do apologize for any hurt feelings it may have caused.
No reason to get defensive bro its just common practice here for the OP to post the link to what he\she is referring to.
I think it also needs to be pointed out that in none of the links I read through does it say what Denver would be willing to accept. Both of the links I read simply appear to me to be nothing but the opinion of the author. But IMO if we could get Marshal for a 3rd and Gin or Wake I would do it in a heart beat. A 2nd and Ginn maybe.
It will all depend what kind of market is out there for him with regards to what you woudl have to give Den to get him. If the phone rings off the hook when the announcement comes then it will set a market value for him. I'm not of the opinion that his off field attitude altercations is just him. It could be the situation or the coaches/mgmt not getting along with him. We saw this happen with Moss in his early years. If we say could get him for a second and a player or a 3rd and a player i would think our FO would seriously consider it especially given we would have Nolan's input as to whether the conflicts were Brandon's character or the way he was being treated which led them to fight. We have an advantage and someone who was in the org. to give their point of view. Nolans' take on it could very well determine if we have any interest at all.
I can. Lots of people have grudges against any player that has any kind of off-field issues. I guess technically that's not a personal grudge, but I think you know what I was getting at.
No problem, like I had said its no big deal, I was just defending myself....I may have overreacted at the beginning because I was offended at the manner in which you had asked, but I understand that it is common to ask for a link and I didn't post a link with my original post and that was my mistake. I realize that I should post links and will remember to do so in future posts. Anyways, the link doesn't say that McDaniels has stated that this is what the Broncos would accept, but it states what are realistic offers that could be accepted for Marshall from a Denver reporter. At this point in time I don't think we will ever get an answer written in stone from the Broncos regarding a trade. I assume they will entertain offers and won't leak what they are in order to get the most they possible can in return.
I agree that Nolan's opinion should be a big factor. And since Nolan was also somebody who clearly wanted out of Denver and according to several reports also had issues with McDaniels, I can't say I'd be shocked to hear that Nolan put more of the blame on McDaniels than on Marshall.
People out here in Colorado love Brandon's talent, but they are tired of him being a baby. If Broncos fan don't even want him, and they know him a lot better than any Dolphins fan on here, do we really want this guy?? I love his talent, but he is a me guy first.
If all it would take is a 2nd I'm sure if we don't try and get him the Pats with their plethora of 2nds would be all over him like a cheap suit.
I agree and its why the first sentence in the OP took me off guard. It's just not common practice for an originisation to come out and set the bar that low. It's one of the main reasons I was looking for a link so that I could read this for myself. Ps. I think your going to fit in with the site very well
While I too know we need a #1 WR I question any WR making us a SB contender, or even close, without several many good fits on the defensive side. With all of Marshall's talent avalable Denver still did squat therefore I don't want this FO to trade any draft picks at this time because imho its not the right time for us to be giving up draft picks for anyone! If we were just one or two players away and had just come off of a 11-5/12-4 season with a playoff win I would then say "Hell yeah!" but we didn't. IPOF why go for him lets shoot for the stars and go for Fitz! One other thing about Porter should be said with a million dollar bonus looking dead at us on March 5th my bet is we either cut him/shop him/ or if its after Mar. 5th we keep him ****** at a much lower salary!
I get your point Steve, but the fans only see select things. THey rarely know why things happen or what caused them to happen. For sure it could be Marshall's character as a person. Perhaps he doesnt' get along with anyone. But i do know he did get along with Cutler. That's been shown in tv interviews at Marshall's home. Him and Jay really got along. Anytime an organization has a complete overhaul some player personnel won't agree with it. The philosphy, the changes, the new direction. Perhaps this was the rift that Marshall didn't like and it could be the reason for the outbursts. Like i said, i would like to hold my opinion on his character until the truth comes out what was causing it. Not that it will absolutley come out but if Nolan endorsed to Ireland / Sparano why he believed Marshall had outbursts as a conflicting interest of direction and moves by the team, not his character or work ethic, and subsequently we inquired, i would not think it to be a bad move. On the flip side if we dont' make a run at him, and Nolan gave his opinion that it was a character issue and for them to expect the same mentality here, then i could see why we wouldn't want him. Now that i think about it, Shanahan must have an opinion on Marshall too. If this wasn't a character flaw but merely a situational flaw, i could very well see the Skins trying to get him. Shannahan is going to need a top end wideout in Washington at some point. And Washington is always open to going after the top end talent regardless of anything else. But if Washington wants nothing to do with him that might say something as well. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Sometimes one more year of maturing from your early 20's and a new location/team to re set your priortiies is all some guys need. That very well could be the case with BM. It's worth looking into and getting the opinions of the people who know and you trust. I expect the Dolphins to at least spend some time looking at BM and doing some initial homework.
not to mention, they already have eddie royal. perhaps a 2nd and greg could get it done, though im not sure how different he is than brandon stokely, when stokely actually plays. meanwhile, the broncs potentially could also get dez bryant as a potential, dominant #1. we could grin and bear the ILBs, or try to develop a 3rd rounder.. and draft cj spiller at 12, and have ricky's long term replacement, and a siiiick offense, with marshall in the fold. but i just cant see not taking mclain if he's there...but its becoming more and more likely he wont.
I think we should go hard after Dansby too. IMO he'll fix our needs more than McClain. Then we could draft Spiller or really whomever is the BPA.
now that a team can tender 3 players...is there any hope? is he a UFA? i was thinking wilfork and dansby, spiller and marshall... championship...
He is an UFA. We also know that Parcells was a fan of his a few years back and that Dansby talked about how much he admired Parcells' teams. So I would think there is mutual interest at a minimum. As for the tags, I'm not sure. Teams have 3 tags but they are not all franchise tags. They could try to block him. If I were betting on FAs though, I would rate Dansby as the most likely FA we get.
Relax, ok? Providing a link is expected whether you're a brand new poster or you've been here since the beginning. It's nothing personal. Believe me, if I started this thread the same would have been asked of me - keith where's your link. Only someone would have called me a dumba$$ as well. You see you actually get a break since you're a new member. Cherish it it won't last long As to the subject.... One thing I believe is that we will not be engaging in some bidding war over Marshall or any other player. If I recall, we basically provided Calvin Pace with a take it or leave it type of contract offer (and our FO wanted the guy), but the Jets outbid our offer and we then moved on.
Hey...here's an interesting scenario: What if the Broncos trade Marshall, and then draft Dez Bryant (at #11) to replace him. And, Rolando McClain falls to us at #12? OK, so I didn't come up with this on my own. http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php but, I'd still be just as happy if it were to happen.
Not a bad scenario really and if you look from Denvers point of view they could get a second from us this year and a third next year for Marshall. They would draft Bryant with the number 11 they got from Chicago and they would have the 11 from us in round two and the 13th they already have in the the same round. Gives them three picks in the top 45 of the draft and we get Marshall on the cheap. i have it all figured out....
Well, that wasn't really quite what I meant. I wasn't even thinking about us being the trade partner for Marshall. I was really focused more on the possibility of McClain slipping past Denver. And, I still say I don't want to give up any draft picks. For Marshall, or anyone. None. Zero. Nada. So, if you're really hell bent on acquiring Marshall, maybe you can come up with another scenario that lets us keep our picks. Here, I got one...how 'bout Ginn, Porter and a some tickets to a J. Lo/Marc Anthony/Gloria Estefan concert? Hey...works for me
i dunno, just think for a 2nd we indeed sign dansby, why not double up again, like we do in the draft, dansby, mcclain...booom our weakness is clearly defense, we can put points on the board, there werent many games we lost because of offense
posted in another WR thread.... http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14283046?source=skipframe-theredzone.org According to the Denver Post, Brandon Marshall is expected to be traded shortly after NFL free agency opens on March 5. The Broncos' leverage is somewhat damaged after a Week 17 blowout between Marshall and coach Josh McDaniels. Throw in Marshall's major character concerns, and the team will have trouble getting anywhere close to full value for their restricted free agent. Marshall isn't talking during this week's Pro Bowl practices, saying he's "had enough publicity." Smart.
This year, teams have a franchise tag, average salary of the top 5 players at the position, and 2 transition tags, average salary of top ten players at the position as well as 7 days to match any higher offer. Otherwise, the player leaves with no compensation.
According to Sheffler (sp) ESPN, a couple of weeks ago, Denver wants a #1 and a #3, may go for a #1 and a #5-6 but, will deffinitely get at least a #1. The former GM on CBS said the same that weekend. Sorry, no links. However, neither of these two guys are not the missing one. This brings up an interesting question. IF Tuna has WR as his #1 need, would you rather have Marshall or Dez Bryant?
If they want a 1st then forget it, it's not a bargain deal at that point, and that's the only way I see Marshall coming to this team. It would have to be a combination of Cheap Price and a Nolan Endorsement. If neither of those happen, I'll be darn surprised if he comes here. That being said, if they are asking for a 1st round, I'd rather spend that on someone without attitude problems, and less likely to bust. At the end of the day we all know this is a pretty crucial year. And what's sad is Denver wanting a #1 instead of a #2, or any other slight obstacle could cause us to stumble. Through act of a perfect storm, we can be an elite team next year. With an on par draft/FA we'll at least compete next year, with the chance of being elite the following year.
I would give a 2nd and Ginn for Marshall, then the rest of the draft has to be all defense, including Ro McClain at 12. Edit: might need to take a TE somewhere unless we find a good one in FA. But only a UFA
Because ILB is not a core position. It will not have as much impact as fixing our passing game. If you look at the teams that are successful they almost always average 7.0+ YPA. If you don't have that then usually it doesn't matter how good your defense or any other part of your team is.
I do agree that our YPA has to go up. I also consider all of the 3rd and short passes that made 1st downs. It was a negative on the YPA but, a positive in moving the chains.
I would bet that Denver gets at least a #1 pick. In this uncapped season, there is nothing in FA, and I expect to see more trades than ever before. Teams have no choice, other than the draft, and a young Pro Bowl WR will be in demand, regardless of the baggage he brings. We got a #2 for Chambers, and look at what Dallas and the Jets paid for WR's who were no where near as good. Looking to steal the guy for a 2nd or 3rd rounder just ain't gonna happen. Maybe for a Boldin, no way for a Marshall.
parcells likes to double up in filling a position of need I fully expect there to be two WR's & two ILB's acquired one way or the other
I'll very surprised if they get a 1st. Everyone knows what happened in Week 17. Denver is not in a position of strength in this situation.
