Will No Salary Cap Help Phins?

I would like one uncapped year, they can cut the dead weight....names that come to mind...Joey Porter, either Wilson or Bell (if they get a reliable FS) Pat Turner, Pat White (if they feel he isnt in the plans at QB, and are going away from the Cat), maybe a guy like Smiley...Jason Allen, Ayodele (if they get some LB's)....Not saying all these guys would go obviously, but looking at names, and guys that would be cap unfriendly to Miami...these guys come to mind...w/o a cap, and not being on the hook for dead cap space money....

 

One bright spot is they do not have to pay ronnie brown to keep him.I would be against giving him a new contract because he is injury prone.Now we can get 1 more year out of him and draft a rb next year(Hopefully we have a season in 2011).

 

because cutting pat white and pat turner would put us in deep cap hell if there would be a cap...

 

Great point, we'd have to negotiate a new contract with him right now or lose him if there was a new CBA in place. Without one we get one more year of his services before we need to worry about that, and hopefully by next offseason we'll be in a position where we've filled most of our holes, Henne has improved, and we can afford to move forward with a new face carrying the load.

I'd like to keep him past next season but not for top RB money, we can't make the same mistake the Hawks did with Shaun Alexander a few years ago. Tailbacks just hit a wall so quickly, it's almost never gradual like other positions.

 

Not only that, but what's the point of not giving them at least one off-season to see if they develop and learn? Even the Jets are prepared to give Gholston a 3rd year to minimize the chance he goes somewhere else and winds up realizing some of his potential.

 

Pat Turner--four-year, $2.464 million contract. The deal included a $714,300 guaranteed.

Pat White--four-year, $4.5 million contract. The deal includes $2.4 million guaranteed.

Okay so for 3.114 million what did u get? One is a guy who can't read a playbook to save his life, and literally didn't get one snap on the field in 16 weeks, despite being the tallest wideout on the team......i.e....red zone threat. He was a healthy inactive for 16 weeks, very telling to me.

Another is a guy who is getting paid starter QB money, and is a backup, plain and simple...all the eternal optimists will come out and say he could develop yada yada...But unless he puts on 20-30 lbs and can throw a strong side out (easiest pass for an NFL QB) he is a number 3 at best....the money doesn't add up, if he gets cut, he signs for the minimum, maybe a shade over that with no guaranteed money elsewhere.

Alot of people on here is like "I want Brandon, Wilfork, Dansby, etc...." Miami isnt this incredibly rich team like Dallas, so where is the money coming from, if you cut enough of the little stuff, it equals alot of change in the end...lastly I said obviously I know they aren't cutting all these people, I was throwing names out there.....give me the 3.114 anyday and move on instead of wondering if these guys can do it...

 

I like Smiley too when he plays.....

 

I was wondering if Wilma from NO is also available, I like him.

 

All i know is that if there is no CBA come after the super bowl then this is going to get very interesting...

 

and no one mentions jettisoning Ted Ginn ? I thought he would have been the 1st choice of most here.

 

No, the CBA has already been opted out of. The consequences of opting out don't take effect until free agency begins on March 5. If a new CBA is reached or the NFL and NFLPA agree to temporarily reinstate the old CBA prior to March 5, then the salary cap remains in place.

As for the consequences, it's the same for every other team: we'll shed dead weight contracts because there's no cap hit. Which contracts? Depends on which ones you consider so exorbitantly overvalued that we simply can't keep those numbers on the payroll. There are also teams that will jettison even reasonable contracts simply because their goal is to spend less money, not necessarily spend more smartly. No cap means no floor.

Down here, Joey Porter is the clear, obvious choice to get the axe. I consider his being cut a foregone conclusion.

Ted Ginn is another candidate, but he's not nearly as likely or inevitable as people around here would seem to think. He's scheduled to make "only" $1 million in 2010, a very affordable number.

Gibril Wilson should be considered a more likely financial target than Ginn. He signed a 5-year, $27.5 million deal, with nearly $4 million in salary due in 2010. He simply does not deserve that money, and could be restructured or cut.

I think Ronnie Brown's contract will get some attention. He's coming back for a sixth year, the team spoke with him last summer about a contract extension, and he's due $5 million in salary in 2010. I think Ronnie's contract will be extended for 3 years, and that $5 million number will drop in light of his second major injury in three years.

More important than any bookkeeping we perform is what we do with the savings. Are we going to shed and rework bad contracts just for the sake of clearing up past mistakes, or are we doing it with an eye toward making a major splash in free agency? Players like Wilfork, Dansby, and Peppers will be available, and they've made it clear they want to get paid. Will we get into a bidding war with another team or teams for their services, or will we stand pat on the salary front?

IMO, if Wilfork doesn't get franchised, we're going to make him our priority target in free agency. If he's unavailable or signs with another team, then Dansby is a close second. Cutting Joey Porter and restructuring Gibril Wilson will clear up a lot of money that can go into either player's bank account.

 

To me broken bones from other players is not injury prone.

Lack of work ethics and physical ability to not strain or tear muscles would be injury prone. But i will admit i like Ronnie Brown wearing Dolphin colors. Jets don't need our wild cat running back.

 

Why? If I'm Sparano, I have a couple of guys pick up Ginn and Henne every morning and have Henne throw Ginn 50 balls a day from now till July. I pay Ginn his million bucks next year. What have we got to lose? We can cut him in training camp if he's really hopeless.

 

Pat White and Pat Turner yet no Ginn? Hmm.

 

I see plenty. Considering Ginn blows at WR and is an average KR, there are plenty who could do what he does, namely in the later rounds of the draft. Good riddance to Ginn and that #9 contract.

 

Wilson and Bell are indeed the same player, which is why it makes more sense to platoon them at SS than it does to get rid of one of them.

Ronnie's contract has an opt-in sixth year which he has already exercised. He's going to be back for 2010.

Jeff Ireland didn't want Tank Johnson in Dallas because of character issues, and said so to the press, but Jerry Jones overruled him soon after. Tank Johnson will never be a Miami Dolphin as long as Parcells and Ireland are controlling player acquisition.

Hampton will probably be re-signed by Pittsburgh.

The concept of "freeing up money" doesn't apply in an uncapped year: there are no cap restrictions, so there's no need to free up money in the first place. It would have been entirely possible for Arizona to keep Kurt Warner while dumping a truck full of money on Karlos Dansby's front lawn.

Dansby will likely walk, and the Cards will focus on retaining Antrel Rolle. Whether or not we try to acquire Dansby is another story; we might not be interested in getting into a bidding war in an uncapped year. We might also have other priorities, like Vince Wilfork.

 

At the end of the season, the CBA is over, the guaranteed money is no longer guaranteed. That's why teams will dump more players than most, because they won't be responsible for any monies...

 

The CBA itself does not expire now. It is only that this coming year is uncapped.

 

One thing to remember, the final 8 SB teams are going to be exempt from any high end FA bidding unless they lose someone of comparable salary to Free Agency. At least as I understand it.

Secondly, to anyone who knows more about this than I do. What happens in the event that we have an inflated salary this year, and the CBA goes into effect for next year again, and we return to a capped year. What if the cap is say 120 mil and we're sitting at 140 mil going into that season? Do we get grandfathered in, effectively locked?

I'm just saying that we could theoretically pay big money this year in shedding bad contracts, and free agency pickups, and be SOL come next year. Something to think about.

 

The final 8 playoff teams can't pursue unrestricted free agents. But since most free agents are of the restricted type, it's not a big deal for them.

If we have $140m in player salary and a $120m cap is imposed, then we need to cut $20m.

Only through complete and total mismanagement. What'll likely happen is that, instead of back-loading money in contracts as has been the case in the free agency era, contracts this year will be front-loaded. We'll pay big money upfront in a one-time payment, and the rest of the years of the contract will be relatively small and manageable.

 

I'm not sure shedding dead contracts is all that clean a process as people are assuming. Your dead cap hits over the length of the contract still apply with future caps. If the Redskins were to cut Haynesworth nothing would happen this year but they would still have problems the length of the contract. Teams will probably be more likely to cut big contract players with one or two years left than normal.

 

Normally when a player is cut, their future cap impact is accelerated into that year. A team can optionally designate up to two players who will be cut after June 1 in order to spread some of that impact out over two years instead of just one year.

No cap means no future acceleration, which makes it easier to clear your books of a bad contract. It's not totally painless, but given that the owners voted to opt out of the CBA in the first place, it's probably a given that many of them are going to cut overpaid players.

 

So whats the purpose of cutting people then, if you still have to pay out the money, you might as well keep them in hopes they turn out alla Ginn, Turner..etc...aging veterans and overpaid ones I get...

 

Restructuring Wilson takes care of most of that money. Further, I'm not sure where you're getting $9 million from: Wilson is due $3.85m and Bell is due $1.8m. That's ~$5.6m, not $9m. Restructuring Wilson lowers that number even more.

Don't be too sure: there are always teams that overspend. Just as there will be teams that will slash salaries to the bone (like the Bucs) there will be teams that will spend whatever they can (Redskins.)

You'll have to link to the source, because everything I've read states that they're willing to let Dansby walk, not that they can't afford him.

Huh? This is the same Parcells and Ireland front office that gave Justin Smiley $25m, Gibril Wilson $28.5m, Vernon Carey $42m, Jake Grove $29.5m, Ernest Wilford $13m, and on and on. They are more than willing to spend money if they believe the guy will be a long-term answer at his position.

I fail to see how they wouldn't consider Wilfork a 5-year starter at NT, or Dansby at ILB.

 

The Pats aren't letting Wilfork go.....you have a better shot with Dansby...

 

Correct. The CBA expires after the 2010 season. It would have expired after 2012 had the owners not opted out. The ramifications of opting out early include the uncapped year if no new agreement was reached. Since the CBA expires after next season, that's when you will see an actual work stoppage if nothing is done beforehand.

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