2010 QB's

I don't for the life of me understand why people were shocked or are comfortable drawing the conclusions they are regarding White. No one would dream of judging a conventional quarterback by the standards applied to White, but somehow a player who is even more raw has higher demands placed on them?

 

I think Penny is gone.
He deserves the opprotunity to go somewhere to compete for a starting job.

I personally hope he finds his way to the Cards/Vikings and into a Superbowl Championship. The guy deserves it.

 

Pennington isnt coming back to play with Miami...White is the 3rd string I would think....Like White will be in there more on situational downs, alla this year, but if Henne got hurt, you would see Thiggy in there before White for an amount of extended play..

 

It is where they drafted him, that makes people get all over him....if Ginn was drafted in say the 5th 6th round, we would barely talk about him...Same thing with White, the kid was a 2nd rounder, a good second round pick....It doesnt matter playtime, chances, injuries, people always judge you as to where you were selected in the draft.....if you were a QB and drafted in the 6th round like Brady, you are most supposed to fail....not that anybody tries too
obviously....

 

Its still ridiculous. You draft a Qb number one overall and he still might sit on the bench the entire year. The draft pick doesn't even enter into it.

 

I hope this is how we could go next year. I hope Pennington will get it that his starting days are over.

If not, we need to draft a 3rd QB in a later round and move White to WR. Then White can come in and try to play QB whenever we are nuts enough to try it.

But I'd like a real QB competition this year with another possible NFL QB in camp. If Pat White can beat Thigpen, Pennington or a 5th-6th round draft pick out as a NFL passing QB then so be it. Otherwise, he needs to get with the program.

 

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I'd like to see Penny start another year for us....

 

In doing so, you're basically demoting Henne. He's the guy now. It makes little to no sense in putting him on the bench another year. He had his year with the clipboard, played well last year, time to give him some weapons and build the offense around him IMO.

 

I really, really do not understand you people sometimes. For the past decade we have gone through starting QBs like toilet paper. And now, now that we FINALLY have a young QB with potential to be a franchise QB for us, you want to draft another QB, or bring one in through free agency or start Chad Pennington again next year and ****** Henne's growth. I'm not trying to say that my opinions are necessarily better than any one else's but I have to question the wisdom, or lack thereof, behind some of the posts that have been made about this subject.

 

You guys are giving up on Pat White for no reason at all. It was his first year, he never played in a conventional offense, and we never used him in a conventional offense either. For those of you who think Thigpen is a better option i have to ask why?

I can't believe the love that Thigpen gets when all he did was go in and lose a game that our defense gave every opportunity to win. The guy played one game for us and threw 2 ints.

Right now Pat White is only guilty of getting hurt. Thigpen's managed to show us in one game that he doesn't know how to win.

 

you're completely right. the idea of anyone other than Henne taking snaps for us this season is ridiculous at best IMO. He earned that spot this season.

I'm actually kind of annoyed Sparano didn't just say "Henne is my QB"

 

I like Henne a lot. I think he should start in 2010 and hopefully beyond.

But say Chad P comes back...and beats him in training camp (which hopefully with Henne's growth in 2009 won't happen) do we go with the guy who gives us the best chance to win? You know how Parcells loves veteran QBs. He stuck with Bledsoe who was playing much worse than Pennington was before he got injured. I dunno something about runner up to MVP in 2008 (not that damn long ago) just has me thinking twice sometimes.

 

For once, we agree on something.

The draft pick is a sunk cost. We can't get it back. The goal now is to produce the best player possible with the guy we used the pick on. That takes time, especially for quarterbacks.

 

But for that to even happen, Chad Pennington will have to be re-signed. I don't see it happening. Chad Henne will be our starting QB next year. Pat White will still be on the team and most likely still be at QB. Thigpen will likely stick around since we gave up a 5th round pick for him. We're certainly not spending ANOTHER high draft pick on a QB. There will be no QBs available in FA that are better than Henne. And if we do pick up another QB it will likely be Thigpen who is the odd man out.

 

Unless Chad Pennington really likes the scenery in Miami, he will search for a starting QB job elsewhere. There are multiple teams that could use a veteran QB like Pennington. I could see a team taking the same approach we did, drafting a young QB and bringing in Pennington to bridge the gap.

 

I wouldn't mind drafting QB Dan LeFevour out of Central Michigan if he is around in the 4th round, and dealing Pat White away for whatever we can get.

 

It's quite simple to me and I, as much as you can't fathom it one way, cant fathom how people dont get it.

No one here was ever holding White to any expectations of a conventional rookie QB at all so that argument is irrelevent IMO.

Pat White was drafted to fill an uncomplicated role.

Do what he does best. Run.
He only needed to make one pass read and if it's not there run.
As you said he's raw as raw can be so there weren't any expectations but basic ones and he was ineffective at even that. It's not like people here are talking about a true QB rookie that is expected to drop back and learn complicated reads.

Secondly, it's the fact that, just like you said, "he is even more raw" than the usual QB prospect, that draws such fire to the pick. Taking such a raw player without a true position with such a high pick IS the entire problem for most.

I think Thigpen will be our #2 and it won't even be close.

 

Tim Tebow is a Miami Dolphin...

...Lets turn those thumbs this way

 

Well, first of all outside of the bubble screen you've got no idea how many reads he was expected or coached to make.

Secondly, the running thing is an even more terrible tree to be barking up. It's an even more ridiculous double standard applied to White. You'd never give a rookie running back a carry or two and judge them based on that.

 

I think its going to be Henne, White and Thigpen with Thigpen and White being in a contest for the backup. I don't think the front office thinks like Fans do, they obviously see something in White and what he can do for the team. IF they decide to permanently move him to a WR/Wildcat role then I think its Henne, Thigpen and a cheap vet/possible late round pick. I don't see Pennington coming back here.

 

I don't think Pennington will come back (although it would be nice to have him as a backup).
You can't bench Henne anymore. He's the future, so the offense has to be build around him. That's the logical move IMO. The backups will be White and Thigpen, I guess.

 

Not many teams are going to bode well when their first and second string quarterback go down... I don't see your point in this.

 

The draft pick has everything to do with it....okay if you get a number overall at QB, and he sits the bench, its because you have a guy like Warner, or Favre playing...then fine I get that. If Ted Ginn was drafted in the 6th round, we wouldn't be having any conversation about him.......Kevin Vickerson, drafted in the 7th round, didn't pan out and got cut, why isn't anybody on him?? People are placing very real questions on Pat White because of where they drafted him....and the skill set he provides doesn't add up to a second rounder...

 

I would be absolutely more comfortable w/ Thiggy than White.....Thigpen has somewhat of an arm, and can beat with his legs...barring the Pitts game in Week 17, where he had to take chances as they were down 2 scores with little time left, he is relatively decent with the interceptions......White as a full time starter would be dreadful....

 

the best of possibilities

1) HENNE
2a) PENNINGTON
2b) THIGPEN

 

Sure, the fact that he "white" was taken where he was increases his expectance on productivity. However I don't think we've even scratched the surface of what he will be to the Dolphins in the future. It's a two way street, anyone who would deny Whites ability is being less than honest and the team needs to learn how to use him best.

I don't think he will ever be a traditional qb, a qb in a spread offense of some type, for change of pace perhaps? He'll be a guy like Jensen was only without the physical aspect, "more finese".

 

White threw 5 passes this season, and IIRC not one of those passes came within 5 yards of his receiver.

The people defending him sound like the same people that begged to give Beck more time and he will succeed. It wasn't hard to see that Beck was a boy amongst men out there. And now 3 years later, he's still a 3rd string QB. I have hardly any doubt that Pat White will follow a similar path if he's kept at QB

 

You either don't recall correctly or know what five yards looks like on the football field.

Ah yeah, because the sample sizes are even remotely close to the same.