either that or Marino, Ireland, Sparano and Henning all understand how valuable Ginn's speed is to the team and dont think he's as bad as the fans do
Ginn has skills,but he lacks guts,all you have to do is bump and run cover him,and he's stoned,if he didnt shy away from contact,he'd be really good. But thats just not the case. Someone get the cowardly lion a heart.
Throwing Ginn jump balls? Why on earth for, he rarely catches them.. And now it's Henne's accuracy that's holding Ginn back? And "we're" funny? Dude you should have your own show
Point blank: Ginn doesn't have the commitment to focus on a catch or the fortitude to take a pop. I'm sick of his antics.
This can't be a serious post, how many times do you really believe Ginn actually get's down field ? Ginn has great speed, he runs out of bounds faster than a speeding bullet, hits the ground quicker than a sack of potatoes. My guess is Ginn actually gets down the field less than 5 times per season as there seems to be no evidence he is consistently getting deep down the field. I take it this is one of those post that blame everyone else for Ginn's lack of production, it's kind like the President instead of fixing the issues he just blames everyone else.
Hasn't Marino ever watched a Dolphins game? Doesn't he know that Ginn has never caught a single pass, cries like a little girl on the field, doesn't recycle and has bad posture? Oh, sorry - I got caught up in the hyperbole and exaggerations of this thread.
You can Coach speed, You can Coach routes, You can coach hands, you however can not coach guts, and in the NFL a #1 Wide Receiver of all positions has to have some swagger and a set of brass ones to go get the ball knowing your a target. He just doesn't have the GUTS for the position.
You can't coach that kind of speed... I wouldn't say he doesn't have the guts for the position, just maybe not the confidence. Confidence can always rise when you're more comfortable. Ginn will be here in 2010 and it may piss off some fans, but I am willing to bet there will be at least one game where those same fans are glad we kept him.
Marino would have hated Ginn as one of his receivers back then......exactly Dan is playing nice right now, how would you feel if you were Ted Ginn Jr and the playing legend of the franchise comes on the air/paper and just rips you.....lost?? At that point whatever confidence he DID have would be lost. He is trying to boost him up, Ginn has speed thats it, his route running is awful, he cant get of the line because he isn't physical enough, after this year I'm definitely questioning his hands, and his heart is in question too....forget Marino's words, listen to the words of the number players in today's NFL, that continuously say he is soft and can't wait to play him...
or they can be hoping that the star finally shines Prez!!! I have been hard on that dude since day 1, but honestly I don't think anybody wants to see him succeed more than me hahahah!!! I think w/ a true number 1 taking on doubles, it will open up for him, but it is getting to the point where the kid has to step up regardless u know? This will be his 4 full year in the league, can we all agree, that he should be learning how to run those routes, how to create that separation, how to make the big play late...all of the things we say he can't do.....how long does it take to develop??
Agreed - he needs to put it together this year. But I think a lot of what you are saying came through last year. He had WAY more separation last year than his first two. In his first two seasons he would never have been open enough to have all those drops. In all seriousness - he seems to have learned how to get separation and run better routes - if his hands come back (they weren't a problem the first two years and were solid at the end of last year) he should round out into a good player. But we also need to use him in situations that better utilize his speed. Quit having him do comebacks and outs - throw the damn ball deep. We only saw 3-4 deep balls all year. I would tell Henne to purposely overthrow Ginn because if he doesn't get to it there is no way the defense will. Throw some quick slants, screens, posts. Did we see ANY of those last year? When I ask this people just say "Well he showed he couldn't catch them" - then why did we keep throwing him comebacks and outs? If you are going to throw the ball to the kid then do it where he can make a play.
I root for the kid to put up 90 catches for 1100 and 9 td's thats it!!!! that isnt that hard if you are a good NFL receivers on a squad of slightly above avg receivers....
I really don't know that our offense is conducive to that kind of receiver. We don't really have a "go-to" guy that would get that many looks. Also - I think if you want Ginn to become a 90 catch guy you will be disappointed. I think he is more valuable as a big-play threat and not so much a chains-mover.
agreed bro, why they don't take at least one shot down field a game deep is beyond me, he has the speed use it....I think part of it is too that Tony doesn't want to put Ginn in a position over the middle to get popped, or fumble...I look for HUGE things this year with Henne, no more overthrowing wide open receivers, down the field, floating balls over the receivers head on 10 yard passes....Henne has got to improve as well...
right right I can see where you are going, he isnt a possession guy I agree nor will he ever....but the yardage and td's isnt too much to ask...
Would also like to see him cross that 1,000 mark. I think being used correctly for a full year it could happen pretty easily. If he can get back to the 800 yd mark with a few scores as well as an impact on special teams I would be content. Not screaming his names in the street, but content.
if he gets 1100 and 9 receiving, and tosses up another 1000+ in kickoff like he did this year, and maybe 2 or 3 td's there....thats a year to scream about brother.... the thing is he could easily put up 1000 catching...how many times u see Moss go for 3 catches for 107 a td?? I have plenty....big play capability...
I should have my own show. Naked cheerleaders breaking down eack week's games. I pitched the idea but for some reason the networks didnt pick it up. Something about hygiene. They just dont understand my genius Henne's accuracy held everyone back a bit. But thats acceptable because it was his first year starting. I look for vast improvement in Henne's game And I do find it funny how fan boards choose the players they support and the players they trash. Remember how much support John Beck got even though he imploded worse than any player I have ever seen. But he works hard, He's smart, he has heart. All the traits that Ginn supposedly lacks. The difference is Ginn actually won games for this team and produced albeit not as much as we all wished he would. It just goes to show that what motivates fans is identification rather than performance. They root for the underdog and look to trash the gifted (his speed not his production). Be a first rounder and show flaws and you will get buried in scorn. Be a second rounder and play like you are on the football version of the three stooges and you will be defended endlessly because you are trying hard lol. This isnt aimed at you. just a generalization based off observation
and who are these countless pros that trash Ginn? I love all this conspiracy stuff. Ireland, Sparano, Henning and Marino are all just BSing everyone because they have some ulterior motives. The truth is they hate him Maybe just maybe they are saying exactly what they think
Its his last year to step up. He got that extra Chambers year to prove himself Did just enough to avoid the three year rule but there is no year five unless he produces. Bare bare minimum 800 yds and honestly he has to break 1000 yds finally. No excuses
I think Sparano kept Henne on a short leash. Stressed the safe pass over the aggressive one. He kept the chain tight and the training wheels similar to how Parcells treated Bledsoe his first year. Year two, Parcells felt comfortable that Bledsoe wouldnt do stupid things in the passing game and he threw for 4500 yds. I'm not predicting 4500 yds for Henne but I think the traing wheels come off and we're going to get alot more aggressive vertically
yeah I would agree with you for the most part, I never back Beck, hated him, he looked too timid, knew he didn't have it...I purely judge players on the rounds they were drafted in, combined with the money they are getting, and does it equal the output they are producing for the young players like Ginn, Beck, Bess etc, with an overall assessment of do I personally think that payer can get better.....Why you ask, cuz that is all to go on, we should definitely give a guy a couple of years to develop, but there comes a time, where you want to see performance, or else you cant justify that guy at that pick....to me, as much as I like Ginn's speed there are things he cant do, right now, that are detrimental to being a good wideout in the NFL......but I hope he can!!!
Ted Ginn = Alvin Harper Nothing but elite speed used correctly a highly valuable asset. But not a true number one. As Tampa found out
Part of the problem with that is the play is safe mentality of the coaching staff. Understandably you want a young QB to play within himself but at the same time you must have the confidence in him to make plays. I think Henne showed enough in his late quarter drives in 2009 that in 2010 he will be given much more freedom to do throw down field. Hopefully the Fiedler/Pennington type play is it safe days are over for the foreseeable future in Miami.
Has Ginn's "softness" ever cost the Dolphins a game? I've never seen him fail to try to get extra yards when the situation called for it. Does he fail to run hard when running plays over the middle? I don't think I have ever seen it or heard it mentioned in a game (not that the TV announcers are good for that sort of thing). And I'd rather have guys like DeShaun (sp) Jackson, Eddie Royal, Mark Clayton and Mark Duper with a running game that can score from inside the 10 than a bunch of big jump ball receivers. Just my personal preference though.
I'm just throwing this out there, for whatever it's worth. Everyone knows that Ginn has a learning disorder. I respect and admire him for overcoming this to make it to the NFL. That being said, how difficult may it have been for him to adapt to a new QB? He had a pretty good year in 08 with Penny, who really worked with the WR's. With Penny, in the second game, Ginn had 11 catches for over 100 yards. Then, Penny went down. Things went downhill from there. As in life, and in football, timing is everything. I am NOT trying to make excuses for Ginn, just wondering if there "may" have been a reason for the problems he had. I believe we will find out this year, and I do expect Ginn to do well.
Not sure that Clayton and Duper can do it any more. However, Warfield looks to be in great shape. Let Turner beware.
Great point and one that I think gets lost fairly often. Ginn also switched offensive coordinators from 07 to 08, then QB's from 08 to 09 - some consistency will probably go a long way for him in terms of feeling comfortable and not overthinking everything out there.
I could be wrong I hope that I am however I think GinnJr. is a bust: don't think he has what it takes to play in the NFL three years is enough time to step up & play w/ consistency I believe Miami will move him in the off-season for whatever they can get for him
