Crowder "I didn't choose sides in the Porter feud"

Silly because its fact???

He missed all the offseason workouts that year, he went into the Redskins camp out of shape and not ready. You can feel how ever you want about it, but its fact.

This year he worked out and came back stronger and lighter.

And I still think he had a so-so year, he had some very good games and games that he wasn't even mentioned.

Our LBers are our weakest position on our field, with WR a pinch behind

At WR you had at least Hartline and Bess show some promise, at Lber the only one that may have a future in Wake, and he is iffy, we know he can rush the passer, but we don't know how he can cover or play the run.

 

I hear you bro, but our middle is soft with out Ferguson in there at NT, and our linebackers behind him need to be upgraded as soon as possible.

 

I think there would be a fair chance of drafting a rookie that could outproduce Crowder to be honest. They need to upgrade Ayodele's spot so it's not like they're not looking at draft and FA options anyway. I'm not saying cut the guy, just try really hard to find somebody you'll be able to bench him in favor of. The main point was I just can't get onboard with any notion that he's an above average player. He simply is not. On his best days he's average.

 

I didn't want to believe JTs TV stuff would affect his football but it seems fairly obvious that it did. He was injured most of the 08 season and it's tough to think it was something other than the show. JT hadn't missed a game in his career before that point. He had been known for durability for 10 years and then suddenly he missed almost an entire season. He didn't miss a game this season either.

 

NJ, I NEVER dispute facts, and you give none. JT was never out of shape in his life, and the last thing he needed to do was lose weight. He has been undersized his entire career and has been trying to gain weight since he was drafted.

JT had a good year, ranked in the top ten overall for OLB, and really surprised vs the run. No opinion, just fact.

 

So, we need to replace Ayodele, Porter, and possibly JT before getting to Crowder. Lots of Luck in one off season.

 

this post is so wrong on so many levels
crowder was allowed to test the market and he came crawling back and signed our offer because he didnt get any takers. remember he and his agent talked about top five lb money. that was a joke.
crowder an above average starter..... please this guy would have a tough time even starting on most teams too many bad angles, shaky tackling and lack of awareness.
see some fans settle on mediocre players and imagine their talent level to be above reality
i think this is the case here
we need a set of real inside linebackers so the difference can be seen

 

So you think he was in football shape the year he went to the Redskins????

 

The entire LB corps needs work. It's tough, hopefully they'll do the smart thing and bring JT back.

 

Keep in mind, he received two injuries that had nothing to do with football shape. One was a nasty bend to his knee. You should have seen the video. That was in preseason. Some might say lesser men would have had to sit out a few games or had surgery.

The second was a cleat to the calf that almost costed him his leg, so doctors say.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-taylor---right-knee-spra.html

 

I always have been and always will be.
the guys in here are really sweet about letting me talk about him all the time.
I think they all know I love him as a Dolphin player the most---THEN---all the "man" stuff. I always say he can't help being gorgeous, and play football.

 

Hopefully this helps...

http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/2/25/772151/breaking-news-dolphins-re

 

Or not.

Riddle me this... How in the world did Crowder test free agency when he re-signed in late February... Free agency officially starts early March.

Next time check your facts before you call me out....

 

Your post looks like it could not be more wrong. Yet I think its funny you go after another poster telling him he is wrong when you had no facts what so ever.

http://www.miamisportsgeneration.com/2009/02/crowder-agrees-to-3-year-deal.html

Correct Griddles I am glad someone got there facts straight.

 

In a 3-4 defense you are to get a gap. ILB are not suppose to run all over the field like Zach Thomas so naturally those numbers will not be as high. Also look at the fact that Ferguson went down that hurt our Dline up the middle. Its not just Channing out there playing defense, I think the other ILB is a much bigger problem (Akin)


In the Houston game I was at the stadium and looked over at Stitches and said "Channing is not out there that really hurts." So I noticed.

 

Can we agree to say that CC was the least inconsistant of our ILB's???

Followed by Torbor and Akin... but the margin was not by much...

http://profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=17&stype=a&stats=d

IMO, Crowder was the Defense signal caller, making sure the guys were in the right assignment, maybe that edge was lost when we went with Akin and Torbor...

 

IMO, Crowder was the Defense signal caller, making sure the guys were in the right assignment, maybe that edge was lost when we went with Akin and Torbor...[/QUOTE]

That's a VG point. We saw what a difference that can make with Hill doing the same in the secondary.

I'm probably dreaming. Put a Wilfork or a Hampton on the nose, a Dansby next to Crowder, and I believe every Phins phan would be very happy with Crowder.

 

I'll leave the "gorgeous" part to you, and just enjoy the football part.

 

The numbers were sad. Let's not pretend it's just that they weren't Zach Thomas type numbers. They were not even close to standing out. Most NFL fans don't even know who Channing Crowder is. Has he even come close to being voted into a Pro Bowl? But a few Dolphins fans want to pretend he is above average for some reason.

 

Your excuses for Crowder Multiply
and it's really kinda sad

 

Other than last year his numbers arent that bad. Our defense failed as a whole not because of Channing Crowder. He also missed 4 games last year which effected his stats. Pretend he is above average? Ummmm no he is above average.

 

There is a fine line between a reason and an excuse. I have tried to list reasons for Crowder's play. Yet, you call them sad excuses.

Could you be a little more specific?

 

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest he is an above average ILB. When the only case you have is 'well the defense seemed worse when he was out', that's saying a lot. How about some stats or something showing how he was in the top half among other players at his position? Or did I misunderstand something and you were just saying he's above average at cracking jokes in the locker room? I can agree with that. You would think an 'above average' player would have at least sniffed a Pro Bowl in five seasons. Crowder has not even been picked to be an alternate has he?

 

nah man crowder is that bad
obviously you look only at the numbers which is a bad way to judge his play
watch him play and youll see the lack of awareness
i had to laugh at crowder when he got trucked by third string rb mike bell in the saints game
he talked trash all week and got ran over in that second half
always sticks his nose in the wrong hole then chases the play
he has a big motor but no awareness
the guy stinks

 

riddle me this...
how in the hell can you call channing crowder an above average player
above average players usually make big plays as far as i know
crowder hasnt made a single big play in four seasons
means he is average bro
i understand trying to defend him and all because he is prolly your boy LOL
but time to realize that he aint getting any better
crowder is an average player with a big mouth who can easily be replaced

 

An above average player makes plays, just not often. He's a solid starter. Above average. He is what he is, I'm not making him out to be an all-pro. Maybe your definition is different than mine... and I don't understand why you have to make excuses on why I chose my opinion to be what it is...

"above average players make plays....."

"you're just defending him because hes your boy....."

Maybe it's time to realize that your opinion doesn't always equal fact. I swear, some of you guys take things so extreme. Just because I call Crowder above average doesn't mean I think LB is not a need. I feel that Rolando McClain would be a great pick at #12. Same thing as defending Ted Ginn, saying that his criticism is too harsh... I still think WR is a need.

 

A solid starter is pretty much the definition of average. Players are not 'above average' simply for not being backups. Players that are truly above average make pro bowls and make game changing plays on a fairly regular basis. Zach Thomas was above average, JT was above average, they made probowls and JT won defensive MVP. They were among the best at their respective positions. You would never call them a 'solid starter'. That is not an above average designation. You can't have it both ways. You can make a case that he's average but there is no case to be made that he is in fact above that level.

 

I still question if Crowder can stay healthy a full season that's part of his problem.

 

hmmmmm I think I recall crowder defending jt. I think all the uproar over crowder saying anything is misplaced if thats the case, as it tells me crowder is just loyal.

 

I think above average is totally different than you. Above average to me is a better starter than most in the league but not pro bowl by any means. You guys make Crowder out to be one of the worst players on our team when that is far from true.

I agree with that. Last year he started 15 games tho. Hopefully he can stay healthy

 

No I don't only looks at numbers cause that would be foolish. However I do tend to try and get all the facts unlike some other ppl.


Crowder is not bad and every LB will get trucked now and than. However getting trucked does not determine how good he is either. Crowder is by far our best ILB on the team and maybe we should try replacing the other ILB. Crowder is also still young and not near his prime yet.

 

when crowder is considered the best inside linebacker on the team that just proves that the position is garbage
look the guy has been around for 4 seasons and hasn't improved a damn bit
maybe you like players like that but i don't
he is just a mediocre player who doesnt make plays
i prefer strong fast guys with GOOD AWARENESS to be playing in the middle
do you expect crowder to wake up one day and be a difference in there
i dont care if he is young or not in his prime
the player in question has already hit his peak
the scale reads average

 

Crowder has got better every year but this one. Sorry not every single player on this team an be a pro bowl player so I don't know what you expect of Crowder. He is above average and this team needs him.