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L O S T - The Final Season

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  1. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I doubt it. Leadership requirements are pretty stiff according to Richard. I'm sure Sayid would of been tapped by Jacob if that was the case.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    really? What makes Locke so good?

    I think it is more likely that Sayid is the new leader than the spirit of Locke is in Sayid
     
  3. Ultra

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    Locke was a good candidate because of his faith in the island and desire to stay.
     
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  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Exactly, it's all about Locke wanting to stay that he'd do anything.
     
  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I say it's all about those paralyzing spiders... remember those? That episode gave me chills... especially at the end.
     
  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Well now Locke is dead. Sayid began believing in destiny last season.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Aw Paulo, some more people who were not on the flight
     
  8. Clark Kent

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    I don't necessarily know why Locke was made a candidate for leader (being brought back to life by Jacob and his paralysis healing being two big things, imo). Richard didn't necessarily know either, but clearly he was made leader none the less(I'm sure with Jacob's blessing, everything goes through him).

    So regardless of whether you like Sayid better, Locke was vastly more important to the island and replaced Ben as leader before the island started flashing through time. If Sayid was leader material, he would of been tapped. He wasn't.

    I'm making a big leap in saying Locke is in Sayid's body. I'm connecting dots that may not be there, but it's just a theory.
     
  9. femalefinfan

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    I think when Locke was talking to Jack it was a metaphore. His body is lost but his spirit could be anywhere, heaven, hell, the island, etc.
     
  10. wpgfishfan

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    2 more theories

    : "Quick question.... Just playing devil's advocate here (and going way out in left field), but why is everyone assuming Jacob is the 'good guy'? He's the one that is in league with the island, which had supposedly chosen Ben as a leader/protector... who even Darlton has admitted was evil. Ben was responsible for killing the Dharma initiative... Ben killed Locke and presumably Nadia. He let Alex die. He's been nothing but coniving and ruthless.

    "When we met the MIB he was lamenting that Jacob brought people and there was always destruciton... that doesn't necessarily sound like a bad thing (wanting a lack of destruction). Again, playing devil's advocate, and stripping things down to the very basics, but what if MIB is on the side of angels? (since someone brought up the whole fallen angel theme?)

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    I've read through the first 12 pages and then scanned the last couple of pages and haven't seen this brought up: All I've seen so far is that Jacob has possessed (moved into, inhabited, etc.) Sayid's body. No one has pointed out that MIB did NOT possess Locke's body... remember that there's the actual body (outside w/ Ilana and Richard) and then there's "un"Locke inside w/ Ben.

    "I'm not saying that Jacob can't be taking over Sayid's body... just that it will be totally different from MIB/Locke!"
     
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  11. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Darlton as far as I know has never said Ben is evil. On the podcasts they always play good cop/bad cop when it comes to Ben. Carlton says he's bad and Damon justifies behavior. Ben's true nature is meant as a mystery that will likely never be solved. Whether Ben is good or bad is up to the viewer. We still have 16 episodes to go... And it looks like he's heading for a redemption arc. By the end of it all, we'll be left debating. And according to the interviews they've given, Ben's alt timeline story will be very interesting. Think about the age old nature vs. nurture argument.

    Is Ben a good or evil? You argue one way and I could easily argue another. Besides the Locke thing (which was an evil and selfish act), Ben isn't all bad. He did stop short of killing Penny when he realized he was going to put a child in his situation.

    If Ben hadn't let his daughter die, Keamy and Co. were going to kill everyone on the island once Ben was in custody. Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Claire, Aaron, etc... were dead the moment gave in to the demand. Ben had to make sure John lived so he could speak to Jacob (which was the M.I.B. unknown to everyone).

    Ben didn't kill Nadia... Watch Sayid's s5 centric episode again. Either Jacob killed Nadia or stopped Sayid from being killed with her. Either way, Ben had nothing to do with it.

    Was Ben responsible for killing Dharma? Maybe... who was in charge? Was widmore exiled back then or was he still running the show? Was it even the leaders decision? Jacob could of easily given the order and I would bet he did (no matter who was in charge).

    Besides, as Ben said and Richard alluded to, the Dharma initiative couldn't co habituate peacefully with the others. They broke the rules and were put down.

    As for as being leader... Ben would do anything to protect the island because like Locke, that was all he had going for him. Seems like an important requirement for leadership as Ultra and Paul mentioned.

    As for the assumption Jacob is the good guy... You have a point. So far, Jacob has done things that could be considered evil. All without context. At this point, I'm going be demeanor. Jacob seems more like the good guy. Then again, that could be the point. The devil is a charmer afterall. However I do believe he's good until proven otherwise.


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    I'm with you on this. Sayid is not Jacob, TPTB confirmed this already.
     
  12. Clark Kent

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    Damn, no John Locke... I guess Sayid was just infected in the same way Rousseau's crew were.

    Kind of a slow episode. These new pirate of the others are bossy as hell. I'm not a fan of the two sent with Kate and Jin. These guys don't know how to track? are you kidding? TPTB have really stripped away at the Others mysticalnes. Do.Not.Like.

    Josh Holloway is a bad *** actor now... Of everyone on the show, he has evolved the most. I don't know if he's on par with O'Quinn or Emerson, but he's damn close. Probably the only person on the show with real superstar potential. If he plays his cards right, he'll be A list soon enough.

    Jack is kinda interesting with his whole "I don't trust myself" attitude. I know they kinda did that with early season 5, but I think it works better now.

    Dogen is obviously the best new character the show has introduced so far. Should be interesting to see where his arc goes.

    Still hate the translator guy... He just doesn't fit, IMO.

    Kate centric parts of the show were boring/stupid as always. The whole Claire situation was whacked. Claire just decides she needs a ride and jump in the car with a criminal on the lamb? Although Claire's role in the show seems interesting. I'm very interested in how these two story lines play out.

    Does this episode confirm Claire was dead at one point, like Sayid? If so, then Christian Shepard may be confirmed as the M.I.B.
     
  13. JimToss

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    Remarkably lame episode. You would think with all this talk of "The Final Season" you wouldn't have this type of drudgery.
     
  14. Jt0323

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    Slow episode but it looks like things will pick up next week, i hope. I agree about Josh Holloway. His performance today was amazing. I really like him as an actor!
     
  15. FaninPatsyLand

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    Typical Kate-centric episode -- it sucked.

    Though, I'm very intrigued by Claire being worked back into the storyline (pretty much the only redeeming quality of this particular episode), its going to be fun watching the writers explain what happened during her hiatus.

    Also, based on the previews, next week's episode looks outstanding.
     
  16. Ultra

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    Claire in the end saved this episode for me. What I'm curious about now is what Dogen is all about. Why'd he say that Jack's sister was infected, when she clearly seemed fine at the end? Unless she was somehow cured...she did seem whacked out the last time we saw her in the shack
     
  17. DrAstroZoom

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    Claire is the new Rousseau.
     
  18. FaninPatsyLand

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    I will say the one thing in particular that jumped out at me for this weeks episode (other than the appearance of Claire, as I previously mentioned) was Ethan. Does anyone have the slighest clue as to what's going on in the alternate timeline when Ethan Rom introduces himself as Ethan Goodspeed? I know Goodspeed was another one of Ben's merry men that was sent out (along with Ethan) to infiltrate the camps of the Oceanic survivors in the days following the crash, but why now Ethan Goodspeed, as opposed to Ethan Rom and Horace Goodspeed?

    Any ideas?
     
  19. DrAstroZoom

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    Well, let's review:

    Ethan was Horace Goodspeed's son. We saw him born last season, after the Oceanic Six (minus Sun) went back in the past. He took the name Ethan Rom as an alias after being taken in by the others following The Purge.

    Based on the flash sideways last night, we must assume that Ethan gets off the island somehow and doesn't need an alias.
     
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  20. FaninPatsyLand

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    You know, I would consider myself a diehard LOST fan and I don't recall the bolded part in the slightest. I must have just completely forgot about it.

    Thanks for the refresher and pardon my ignorance.
     
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  21. DrAstroZoom

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    Here's Ethan's in-depth biography:

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ethan
     
  22. Paul 13

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    In the flash sideways, did anyone else think the drama surrounding the unborn Aaron was tied to what Claire was feeling or saying while in that hospital room? Ethan's character timeline is interesting, he's seemingly been everywhere.
     
  23. Frumundah Finnatic

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    This could very well be the sickness.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That episode was boring
     
  25. pennphinfan

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    Well claire has def taken on the rousseau role, as the 2 that went out with Kate and Jin were about to say the trap they saw wasn't rousseau's but looked someone else's.. most likely claire. to that end, claire mind not actually be infected but may just be crazy like rousseau was because she lost her child..

    the thing that frustrates me most is that 95% of the stuff on this should wouldn't happen if the characters just communicated with each other. tell the other person what JUST happened to you somewhere else, because it's about to happen to them, explain yourself fully when you mention something, etc etc. i understand the 'wanting to keep secrets' thing but...... its annoying!

    if sayid has what the rousseau's team has, can't they just shoot him? why does he need a special pill that 'he' has to decide to take? seems a little different
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Yea, that annoyed me the most. The Others seem to be secretive just to be secretive.

    Plus they are jerks. I am sick of the jerky Other. It has been used so many times.

    I also agree with Sayid. If he is infected, why not just kill him when he was tied up? Is it the whole, "They are the good guys so they make other kill" thing that Ben did with Michael?
     
  27. Clark Kent

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    I'm guessing we'll understand down the line... Remember, Ben could of threatened Kate or Sayid to get Jack to do his surgery. But he told Jack, "I want you to WANT to do it." Ben instead manipulated Jack by letting him watch Sawyer bang Kate, but Jack then made a choice.

    For whatever reason, it seems the Others are unable to force anyone to do anything. This isn't new to this season. Right now we're still in the infancy stages of getting answers. The mythology of the show will be solved and answers will be given up in due time.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am really hoping so, because it has been annoying. This could be one of those mysteries that are never solved.
     
  29. Paul 13

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    Yeah I agree on this. It has become tiresome and makes me look forward to the finale when it is all over and we'd better understand things or else many of us will be disappointed.

    On a somewhat related note, I could see this show ending with a Sixth Sense (the movie) moment. Where the big reveal happens and you are left wanting to go back and watch certain episodes again or wanting more. Go out and buy all the seasons on DVD... It's the Don't Forget To Drink Your Ovaltine moment (Christmas Story). It's all marketing. Just take my wallet... here have it...
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    It probably will end up like that. I don't think whatever ending they come up with will be enough for any Lost fan. It's obvious there are going to still be so many unanswered questions left that fans will want more no matter what.

    I will say that I'm a fan of the alternative storyline however I pretty much hate everything that's gone on with the island since they started the time travel stuff. I know the writers keep saying that they planned everything out in advance but I think they're full of it and think that they came up with these ideas on the back of a cocktail napkin. Either way I still enjoy the show but not as much as I did back in Season 1 or 2. I just wish it didn't get so out of control since Season 3.
     
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    I liked the show better when it was just basically about the struggles of an interesting group of survivors on a deserted island with a few mysteries to be solved. But I have to see how things play out in this last season. I'm just wondering why things have become so supernatural.
     
  32. Clark Kent

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    It was always suppose to be. They didn't wangt to scre people away in season 1 so they left hints (adam and eve) about the nature of the show (time being important).

    I love the mythology... If it didn't have that going for it, I wouldn't watch.
     
  33. Frumundah Finnatic

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    "We could just tell you whats going on...meh **** it, hook a car battery to his nipples"
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I will cheer if they have the moment when someone finally says, "Do you guys realize how much easier our lives would have been since we have been on this island if we actually discussed what was going on honestly?"

    The show might be only half as long, however far less annoying. Plus the mysteries remaining will be more mysterious, since people won't know what is going on. Instead of it being mysterious because someone does know what is going on and just doesn't want to tell everyone.
     
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    I liked this episode, starting to get tiny bits of info now.
     
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    This episode finally gave me better questions
     
  37. Jt0323

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    Loved the episode but i just feel like im getting the wow i can't wait to see what happens next week feel
     
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    1. Of Mice and Men was written in 1937. MIB said, "That was written AFTER my time".

    2. Where was Kate's name

    3.Sheppard could be Jack or Christian

    4. Is Aaron the kid
     
  39. Jt0323

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    O and i loved the Mice of Men reference, as thats exactly what i was thinking during that scene...
     
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    1. I found that interesting also.
    2. I noticed that and my only conclusion was only Men can take Jacobs place, as when they had the Kwons, i think it has to be Jin then.
    3. I think its Jack, i think The Guy who is locke was Christian.
    4. I was thinking the same thing...
     

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