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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    He pops the crowd for his entrance...but his matches themselves leave a lot to be desired. Essentially, if he came out the "standard" way, he would be heatless imo. I hate his name by the way. Ron Killings is such a perfect name, I wish the WWE would go with that as opposed to R-Truth.
     
  2. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.... he seemed to have been a better wrestler during his WWF Attitude days.
     
  3. Jt0323

    Jt0323 Fins Up! Luxury Box

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    Well i met Mick Foley today, he did a comedy show at the Hilton and me and a buddy went, great seats, place was pretty much empty but Mick was funny and did good. It was great to hear some of his storys from the road! His storys with Kurt were great! After the show he signed autographs so it was a great experience
     
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  4. Big E

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    Man...would LOVE to go to one of his shows.
     
  5. Jt0323

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    i took some videos, and if i figure how to get them on youtube ill post them here
     
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  6. Vengeful Odin

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    This'll blow your mind ... but the dude just turned 38 ... he's not exactly a spring chicken.
     
  7. Silverphin

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    .... I seriously did not know that.....
     
  8. TheAnswer385

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    Great show tonight IMO...I Liked the ending a lot.
     
  9. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    i thought it was really well done. Watching the matches take shape has been really exciting.
     
  10. TheAnswer385

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    Only thing they Fd up on was Punk not getting the tag titles.
     
  11. Samphin

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    Depends on how you look at it. I think you can argue that Cm Punk is the hottest heel act in wrestling right now, and thus he should be rewarded with the belt and allowed to cross brand jump. However, I would argue that he is so hot that he doesn't need a prop like the tag titles right now.

    Whereas someone like Miz, who is also doing really well as a cocky, opportunistic heel, can use the rub of the title much moreso. Currently he has the U.S. AND Unified Tag titles. He will be bragging like a total asswipe on both brands. Plus ShowMiz's ex partners are still on smackdown whichcould lead to some good interactions. Plus there is the nasty little rumor that HBK detests Punk's current pseudo religous gimmick and refused to drop the belts to him.

    I also liked Sheamus winning clean over Christian. I love Christian but he won't be hurt by the this at all. I also knew Sheamus woudl win when I saw them in the ring as McMahon is on record of saying that he feels Christian has the worst look of any main eventer ont he roster currently...take that for what you will. I still say Christian ends up on Smackdown. Good to see Sheamus in more than one segment tonight too.

    HBK's heel turn is fantastic. I am still not sure where they are going with him at Wrestlemania, but I am leaning towards HHH.

    Good show overall.
     
  12. Jt0323

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    i hope its HHH vs HBK to be honest too! would be amazing to see!
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    It will be interesting to see what they do with The Undertaker if it ends up being Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H for the title (like it should be). Undertaker vs. Cena would be a big money match but it looks more like it will be Cena vs. Batista.

    Other matches that I think will take place are, or at least what I'd book if I had the power:

    HBK vs. HHH
    Edge vs. Jericho for the Smackdown title (I think you'll see Jericho win the belt at the EC)
    Randy Orton vs. Ted DiBiase vs. Cody Rhodes (I think it would be better this way than a straight up Orton/DiBiase match since they should get Cody on the show to fight)
    John Cena vs. Batista
    Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon
    CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio (in the rumored Mask vs. Hair match although I guess CM Punk would be a good opponent for UT too)
    MiTB match featuring Miz, Big Show, John Morrison, Kofi, Sheamus and Christian (although I'd rather they scrap this match and have each guy in a singles match against each other)

    That's a heck of a WM card I think.
     
  14. Ray Finkle

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    Unfortunately I think it's too late for Sheamus now. Something like what happened last night should have happened the first week or 2 into his title reign instead of him beating up Santino or Jerry Lawler. Like I said last week or so, the WWE didn't do the guy any favors with the way they booked him and his title reign has been a failure, especially judging by the crowd reactions last night, it seems as though they could care less of him, nothing has really changed with him since he won the belt except that he's viewed as someone who ducks challenges instead of the tough Irish brawler he was suppose to be. I'd be shocked if he carried the belt into WM and personally I think it would be a mistake if they let him.

    I haven't heard that HBK doesn't like The Miz's stick but it wouldn't surprise me. Every new guy that starts to get over it seems like either Triple H, HBK and/or the Undertaker keeps trying to push them back down the ladder. I guess that's expected as it is wrestling after all.

    It will be interesting to see how the annual brand draft plays out this year because RAW needs help to freshen up the show. I'd probably move Orton, Rhodes, Christian and Kofi to Smackdown and move Jericho, CM Punk and Morrison to RAW.
     
  15. Ray Finkle

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    The WWE is dropping the Survivor Series name from their PPV line up. Here's a direct quote from Vince McMahon:

    "We think that Survivor Series is obsolete, as far as that title is concerned. It was something that worked many, many years ago, in terms of a creative standpoint, various teams competing. That really is not advantageous as the consumer now looks as what actually they are buying. And it's such a broad ... Survivor Series yes, many years ago, was one of the original four pay-per-views, but it's outlasted its usage and it is one of the things in terms of rebranding, this year and going forward, that will be rebranded. No longer will we have that title, Survivor Series."

    As a big Survivor Series fan, I hate them dropping the name as I think it was always pretty cool sounding. I think it's a dumb move. If they want to drop the elimination matches fine but at least keep the match or use the event to have an Elimination Chamber or War Games match main event. Anyway should be interesting to see what they rename the November PPV. With such recent money PPV names like TLC, Hell in a Cell and Elimination Chamber I'm sure it will be something like 'Street Fight' or 'Wrestling Matches'.
     
  16. Samphin

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    They are dropping it because while the other ppv's around it did better than their 2008 counterparts, Survivor Series was down 26%. Granted that is probably due to an awful card and lack of originality. And the fact that they changed a bunch of stuff right before.

    So in McMahon's mind, the biggest problem was that the name of the event turned people off. :lol: I'm not too upset about this I guess. I was of the opinion that the original four PPV's should probably remain in name as they are a huge part of the brand overall, but the truth is that they haven't been using the surser format for years and almost seemed to be an albatross for them when it was time to have this card and they had to crowbar one match in.

    A more well laid out plan would probably be able to make it work to advance storylines, but not these writers (Honestly, how did they never have an all champions survivor series match?) So instead of looking at it that way, it is easier just to change the name of it and hope that fans are duped into buying next year.

    There was a poll that went out asking WWE Nation what type of gimmick match they would like to see going forward, and I know War Games was on there. So maybe we will see that return, afterall.
     
  17. Ray Finkle

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    I do think the elimination match gimmick got a little tired after awhile and looking back at the older SuS PPVs most of the elimination matches weren't very good due to a lot of count out/DQs finished to protect some of the guys but I just don't understand changing the name. I mean the SuS was the 2nd oldest PPV in the WWE history and it's not like they never had a SuS without elimination matches. It's not like the King of the Ring where the fans just didn't like the concept after awhile and got sick of it. I think they have to blame bad booking for the drop off. And again if they wanted to keep things fresh they should introduce a gimmick match or something whether it be the Elimination Chamber (instead of having a PPV with 2 of those matches) or War Games.

    I'm just surprised that with all the history of the SuS name and some of the most memorable moments that happened at that PPV that they would just change it up like that. I just figured they can milk extra buys because it was a Big 4 PPV.

    And I hope the WWE brings back War Games, it was one of my favorites from back in the day, my only fear is that the WWE will TV-PG it to death like that did with the Hell in the Cell and make it a tame gimmick match instead of an all out war like it should be.
     
  18. Samphin

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    I wonder if wargames would actually even fare well myself. Mainly because you have a similar concept in the elimination chamber and hell in the cell. It is basically a combo of the two...with teams. And another ring.

    I know I would love to see it, but you are probably right.

    I think what I would want to see is when elimination tag rules apply in the future, that they are called Survivor Series Rules, or somethign like that, just to pay homage.

    I also think the WWE is shortsighted because, even though SS buys were down year over last, more people STILL bought that ppv than the other ones around it (in terms of overall buys). And I believe there was a UFC PPV the night before, and the fact that they were on a three week cycle for ppv's. And the crappy booking at the time, probably all led to the lower than normal buys.

    But no, it is easier to blame the name of the event. I wouldnt be surprised if the WWE starts to adopt a UFC naming scheme for PPVS. Basically not tieing themselves down to one name each month annually outside of a select few (Wrestlemania, Royal Rumble, Summerslam, etc.)
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    The WWE should scale the PPVs back from the 12 to 14 they do each year to 6 to 8. It will never happen because they make too much money doing one each month but creatively it would be better for the product because it would give them more time to tell a story and build it up instead of rushing to get one told in just 3 weeks time.
     
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  20. Thunderbolt89

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    I have felt the same way for a long time. There is just not enough time to give the audience a chance to care and invest in a feud. They do not have enough time to give their stories a solid foundation to create a big match atmosphere.
     
  21. charlestonphan

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    yep, they absolutely should, but as previously stated, they won't until their profit margin on them goes way down.

    i don't even know when the ppv's are any more. i simply dont care, there is no buildup of angles for the most part.

    i still follow both WWE Raw and TNA, albeit with the DVR remote in hand and fastforwarding thru some (most?) of the shows.
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    Looks like The Miz is in the dog house now from apparently eating food over another wrestler's bag (that's what Jim Ross said in his blog and ripped him a bit) and thus was kicked out of the locker room due to a lack of respect. It's funny if true and reminds me of the time in 8th grade when I got yelled at for clapping wrong. One can only guess who threw him out and I'm sure it had nothing to do with The Miz starting to get over in a big way and had everything to do about paying dues and attitude.
     
  23. MrPaul13

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    McMahon has run in to this problem before,he doesnt value talent retention,and his numbers plummeted against WCW,he's doing it again and TNA is rapidly gaining ground.He did it against AWA as well.
    Not much of a learning curve on old Vince
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    TNA isn't anywhere close to the WWE, eventhough they're the #2 wrestling product out there there's still a huge gap between the two companies that the WWE isn't concerned with them.

    The talent isn't the problem, the WWE has plenty of talented guys. The problem is the produce itself in terms of storylines and also the fan base has changed a lot in the past few years. Fans of the WWE back in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s now watch MMA more. The WWE is trying to bring in new fans by trying hard to tone down the product to a more PG rating to bring in a younger crowd and families with hopes that as the fans grow up the product will get edgy again (like in the attitude era) and bring in more fans like that did in the 90s.
     
  25. MrPaul13

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    Have to disagree,he let Hall and Nash go,immediate hit in WCW,he let Xpack go immediate hit in TNA,he let Bruno Sammartino go immediate hit in AWA.
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    X-Pac to TNA, are you kidding? Who cares? Certainly not McMahon or anyone else considering he was basically unemployed for the last decade. X-Pac hasn't been important to wrestling in over 10 years, maybe even longer. And him being an immediate hit for TNA? Really? He won't draw for TNA nor will he be in TNA by the end of the year.

    I don't know how you can really say it was a mistake for Vince to let Hall and Nash go. McMahon simply couldn't match money with WCW at the time. Plus at the time they left for the WCW, both guys were pretty much done in terms of usefulness with the WWE. Hall was in and out of rehab for drugs and Nash nearly bankrupt the company because he couldn't draw a dime in his year long run as champion (he was one of the least successful WWE champs ever). Sure them going to the WCW hurt the WWE for a few years but what ultimately ended up happening to WCW? Nash was a big reason for that.
     
  27. Samphin

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    And to be fair, I believe Nash had told Vince he was going to stay and then jumped over for the huge payday. Also, Both Hall and Nash were in WCW well before they were in the WWF/E and pretty much had nothing happen for them creatively (The Diamond Studd was a flop for Hall and Oz/Vinnie Vegas was awful for Nash). Vince turned both of those guys into big enough stars to where they could cash out in WCW using, basically, no gimmick other than their actual personalities.

    And X-Pac was actually LET OUT of his contract to go join his buddies in WCW at the heighth of the talent raids in both companies. That should tell you how usefull Vince thought he was as a stand alone entity. I doubt he batted an eye when Waltman went to TNA for the first time.

    I do tend to agree that talent can and is squandered in the WWE. Look no further than Elijiah Burke/D'Angelo Dinero. In my eyes, he was a star in the making from the first time I saw him, but it took him leaving the E in order to make any headway. Its a numbers game and sometimes talented guys get squeezed out. Thank the lucky stars that they have a viable option to go to now. Whihc is why I want TNA to survive and THRIVE. It makes both companies better, and as a consumer, that makes me VERY happy.
     
  28. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah if I remember correctly Hall told McMahon he was leaving for WCW and McMahon didn't care due to his personal demons. Nash did tell McMahon he was going to stay and then signed the WCW contract and sent a fax over to Vince letting him know he jumped ship.

    Personally even then I don't think McMahon minded they left. I think Vince got pissed once they started the whole nWo storyline and got hot but after the first year and a half Hall and Nash weren't really important to WCW and once the nWo stuff died down they were non factors. Near guy could really draw enough to carry the company or even be a world champion. Nash killed both the WWE and WCW when he was on top and the few times Hall was in a main event in a PPV, that PPV didn't sell well.

    And yeah X-Pac was never a draw outside of his return to the WWE and that died down quickly too. Fans just never got behind the guy because he was always viewed a nothing more than a midcarder due to his size.
     
  29. Ray Finkle

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    It looks like the Honky Tonk Man might get inducted into the HoF afterall. It's being reported that he recently signed a new contract with both the WWE and their toy company.
     
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  31. Silverphin

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    Jericho and Batista are your new World Champions. I saw Jericho winning considering the feud he is having with Edge. So, it'll be Edge vs Jericho at WM.
     
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  32. unluckyluciano

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    so batista vs cena for the title? Can't say I like that. Jericho vs edge though is coo....
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I don't get the Batista winning the title there. If they want to do Cena vs. Batista for the title, they should have just kept Cena as champion because all it does now is cheapen the belt. I don't understand what they're going to do with Triple H now since it looks like HBK will face the Undertaker. I'm guessing it will end up being yet another 3 way with Cena vs. Triple H vs. Batista.

    I'm glad Jericho won the title even if he's just keeping it warm for Edge.
     
  34. Samphin

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    The best guess I cna make is that they want Cena/Batista to headline...which is fine since they are arguably the largest stars in the company right now (in terms of recognition). So since Bret and Vince are involved, and assuming Vince is going to finally get his at the hands of Bret at Wrestlemania, you now have your Wrestlemania moment of Vince succumbing to the sharpshooter during th emain event of Cena beating Batista for the title. Kind of an odd occurrence as I assumed Sheamus/HHH for the title, Batista/Cena for the Bret Hart thing, Edge/Jericho for the Smackdown title and HBK/Taker to round out the top of the card.

    I assume HHH could still face Sheamus at WM. HHH eliminated Sheamus so all it would take is for Sheamus to give HHH a severe beatdown on Raw to set that up. I would actually have Sheamus kick the **** out of him each and every week leading up to WM and then beat HHH clean at WM. It might be the perfect way to keep Sheamus somewhat as an entity.

    So I assume WM looks like this currently:
    UT/HBK
    Batistia/Cena
    Edge/Jericho
    HHH/Sheamus
    Punk/Misterio
    Orton/Dibiase

    And obviously the tag belts will be on the line at some point. It looks like MitB will not be on the card this year. And I am not sure where Christian comes in either.

    Couple of other notes: Undertaker was burned during his entrance.

    Dan Bryan is Bryan Danielson aka the American Dragon. I actually trained under him very briefly years ago. He looks like he is going to get a puch on this NXT thing, which is fantastic. He is an HBK protege, fwiw.

    Miz now holds all the Raw titles since Batista is listed as being the champ on Smackdown. If he doesn't brag about that, than the writing team isn't paying attention.
     
  35. Ray Finkle

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    The Miz should really defend his US belt too. I'd love to see him one week come out and brag about being so awesome and holding two belts and whoever the guest host is says if you're so good then you got two matches at WM.

    Also I'm glad the MiTB match won't be at WM anymore as I'd rather see straight up one on one matches to settle/end feuds instead of taking the most talented guys and sticking them in a giant spot fest.
     
  36. Samphin

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    I used to have the same mentality as you when it came to one on one fueds. And for th emost part, I still do. But MitB has become somewhat of a staple and a great way to get guys on the PPV that otherwise, would not see a payday. So when you look at it from that standpoint, it will be missed by me.

    Plus, they are usually fun matches, which, at the en dof the day, if I am going to pay money to see WrestleMania, it better be worth it.

    Regarding The Miz, I was actually thinking the same thing as you. I think it would be great to see his ""rookie" Dan Bryan end up being the one to dethrone him as U.S. Champion. In fact, it would be great to see Miz have to defend both titles against mystery opponents one night on Raw (or WM) and have the first one be for the tag titles where Bryan and a partner defeat MizShow. Then, after that. Miz gets on the mic, berates Bryan because he couldn't beat him without using a partner and he is still the U.S. Champion and will brove how awesome he is against any challenger...only to hear Bryan's music again and Bryan ends up kicking the crap out of him to walk away with both titles.
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    I'd actually like to see The Miz face Morrison. Morrison has been almost a non factor on Smackdown since he lost the IC title, and the two guys never really had a feud about them splitting as a tag team. They can use that as the start to the feud and both guys have worked well together in the past. So maybe a move to RAW will be a good shot in the arm to Morrison.

    Good point on the MiTB match getting more people involved and them getting a paycheck. And yes they're fun matches and sometimes they're the best match on the card but it bothers me to no end when an IC or US champion wouldn't defend his belt because he was in that match. I guess the WWE could always have a battle royal with the winner facing the US or IC champion later in the show, that way it gets everyone involved as well, they can even do a tag team battle royal that they have done in the past with the winners (whether its a real tag team or two random guys thrown together) facing the tag champions.

    I think the WWE is naming a PPV (September I think) Money in The Bank and the main event will be the MiTB match. While I realize in the last paragraph and my last post I said I didn't like seeing the most talented guys wasted in that type of match at WM, I REALLY don't want to see guys like Cena, Triple H or Orton in that type of match since they won't be able to really do that match justice but it's going to happen. It would actually make sense to have the MiTB match happen at the June or July PPV and have the winner face the champion at Summer Slam, so the MiTB match turns into almost a mini Royal Rumble type event. That way fans know when the pay off match for the winner is going to be instead of after a random match the champion just fought in.
     
  38. Samphin

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    I actually wouldn't mind a battle bowl style approach to finding a competitor for the tag team titles. I will give credit to the WWE in that I think the tag titles have gained some sort of credibility given the lenghty reigns of Jerishow, DX and now ShowMiz. Them being unified helps as well. The division overall is still somewhat weak in terms of stables of teams, but the titles seem to have a sort of importance to them. Spending some time on both Raw and Smackdown to do a Battle Bowl style tournament with the match taking place on the PPV.


    Morrison and Miz fueded briefly and Miz seemed to get the better of it, against conventional wisdom. Although those wins seemed to lend Miz some much needed credibility. I have a feeling these two will fued down the road once both of ther profiles are even higher within the company. Bryan Danielson is a wrestling machine, so he will need to be carrying some gold early to help get him over since...his personality doesn't seem to be what the WWE or its audience is looking for. You almost have to build him up as a Chris Benoit/Dean Malenko style wrestler. No nonsense, wrestling machine.
     
  39. Ray Finkle

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    I read that The Miz does a lot of impro acting classes in his spare time, which is something The Rock started to do after he turned heel and joined The Nation in 1998. And I believe Kurt Angle did that as well too. I'm surprised more guys don't do that, or the WWE doesn't make it a rule to have guys go through acting lessons considering how much the business has changed.

    Too bad the WWE killed off managers, it seems like Danielson could use one. Imagine if he had a Paul Heyman like mouth piece challenging any wrestler to try and beat his 'wrestling machine' and then Danielson destorying the guy? He'd get over pretty quickly, much like Brock did (although Brock looked the part of a monster so that didn't hurt either). As good as Benoit and Malenko were, it took them a very long time to get over as a wrestling machine. And Malenko was never really over in the WWE after the initial debut. Because really the only difference in Benoit, Malenko, Jericho and Guerrero were that Jericho and Guerrero had charisma and personality. I think not being able to talk even started to hurt Goldberg once WCW gave him the mike to try and work promos.
     
  40. Samphin

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    Goldberg's whole over-ness, was that streak. As soon as he lost, he simply had nothing else to offer really. He wasn't defined enough to have anything else to do.

    I loved the manager era. I think they add so much to a program and help get people over. Heyman, Callis, or even D'Amore do a fantastic job to this day of talking and knowing how to keep the focus on the wrestler.

    The idea of having Danielson paired up in CM Punk's group has also been floated since Punk is such a great talker, but I think Danielson can break out on his own if done proper.

    I would love to see Kaval (Low-Ki) come up too, but he looks like he might be held back until the second season of NXT.
     

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