Im not sure he can hold good form for two more seasons. If he recovers from surgery nicely then i could see him having a bigger year for us than most expect. That is if he stays with us...
Hopefully he stays here, even in a spot role he's valuable to a defense. He always took good care of himself, I could see him playing another couple of years.
I read where his agent said the Pats were an option, as opposed to last year. That would be sad. I don't have the link but, am sure most know it's true. We have not even talked to the guy.
I don't see any reason why he couldn't have a monster year on the weakside. For all the talk about Taylor having an average to below average year, many should keep in mind that this is the first time in his career he's been put on the strongside out of position. Good to see that he's realized he's not gonna be the next Denzel Washington and is concentrated on football again
Agreed. JT is sooo much better on the other side, although he did a hell of a job on the SS last year. That is a tribute to him. If he goes to the Pats, I am gonna be PISSED!!!
JT has a pretty good, although quiet, year. Would like him to play the role Saban had for him as a the "Rover" or "Jack" LB, roaming all over the field attacking the opposing offenses from everywhere.
It would be a mistake for the FO to let him walk and possibly sign with a rival. They need to do the right thing and pony up a respectable amount of cash and offer him a two year deal so he can retire in Miami. It's not like he's not a productive player who can contribute. You let a player like JT walk you had better have a good plan in place. Letting him walk and not having a CLEAR upgrade(s) in my mind is the wrong answer.
we need young players on this team. If you stick with Taylor you are just patching the obvious holes. We need a dominant pass rusher and JT used to be one but that is in the past. i wish we would move on.
Signing JT is not patching a hole. It's adding a veteran to the youthful group of Linebackers we are going to have next season. You act as if Jason Taylor isn't a good player.
jason taylor is an old player at the end of his career we need linebackers for the future not aged ones who really add nothing more than a few plays here and there. I want guys who disrupt offenses and bring consistent pressure and JT no longer can do that. I understand fans wanting him to stick around because of what he used to be but we have to think about the future of this team and face it jt isn't in it.
That's the thing. You're saying he was good, but isn't anymore. News flash, he's still a very good player. He had a very good year last season on the strong side, and that was his first year there. Signing him back, and letting him play on the weakside, where he's comfortable, will give us some very good production. Plus, he works cheap and will go a long way in helping Cameron Wake.
a very good year really? jt made some plays here and there but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a very good year. yeah I know IF jt moves to the weakside and IF jt can stay healthy and all but that is way too many question marks for a guy who is on his way out of the league. We need to development young players not keep old ones till they are ready to retire. You just don't get better by bringing back guys like that year after year. Even with jt here Jeff Ireland is saying we need pass rushers . You know why? Because they know jts dominating days are over. the future is not Jason Taylor just spinning our wheels on this one but you are right about one thing . He is cheap. You want to play defense with cheap old linebackers that is your choice to have that opinion. Sorry I don't. Team before the player I always say.
No, he was very good. He played a new position and still, according to PFF, was one of the best 3-4 SOLB in the NFL. That's very good to me. We're not going to bring back JT year after year. We are going to have a young linebacking corps soon. We need a veteran presence. JT will give us good play, a veteran presence and will be a leader, on a cheap contract. Just because he isn't 26 years old in the prime of his career doesn't mean he doesn't have a place on this team.
Next time a team fills their roster with 52 dominant players please let me know. That would truly be amazing. What teams do need is depth and I would take the production JT would bring to the weakside OLB spot over most of what we have now anyway. With some good moves this team can compete for a Super Bowl next season. They have plenty of draft picks, the good teams know how to mix youth and vets. Dumping productive vets who play cheap is a great way to never win anything. It's not like there's a clear upgrade. Where's the upgrade? You come in every thread preaching that JT is somehow holding the team back. What is he holding back? Who is the electrifying pass rusher that will be denied a roster spot because of JT? We'd all love to know. And if you love the idea of turning your back on hall of famers that bled aqua and orange, good for you I guess. It's not like JT was a liability, it was quite the contrary in reality. There is nothing wrong with loyalty to a player who was one of the faces of the franchise for over a decade. Nothing at all wrong with it.
my logic is not going to be the popular opinion around here because of all the player love but I believe you have to play and develop young talent. These young group of linebackers you speak of are only going to get better by being on the field. Look at Q Moses. Another poster put his snap stats in another thread and guess what we never tried to develop the guy. he did play behind Roth and we gave up that player who was already developing and went with an aged JT. See a pattern here at all. When you draft new players you have to play them which makes JT invaluable as a backup. I understand jason could still be a situational pass rusher that could possibly help you but that appears to be cam wakes role since he still struggles doing all the other stuff olb's do. It is a sad state when your best outside linebacker hasn't really even played linebacker. The position needs so much help and that has to come from youth and development not from a guy who hung his shoulder at the end of last season and now says he wants to play two more seasons. we'll see what route the fo takes but I see the correct path IMO. BTW i could give a rats how pff ranked jt. i witnessed the inconsistencies with my own two eyes and saw our starter disappear way too often. Sadly I also saw jt come off the field on third downs because he was often gassed. father time is undefeated and jt is no exception to the rule.
always loved jt but he did seem to disappear in big games throughout his career.... player fans. i can never get enough of them.
Teams don't exist without players. You want to be a fan of a logo eat your heart out. I am a fan of players that play for the Miami Dolphins. Especially players who have hall of fame careers playing for my favorite team. Certainly all of his hall of fame stats were acquired in meaningless games. That's definitely logical.
Then your eyes are deceiving you. I don't know what games you were watching, but the ones we saw, Jt was good. You say you want to develop young talent. JT will help with that. He's not holding anyone back. His veteran presence and leadership can only help the young players.
i want to get to the SB that is my goal as a fan not to sit and worship a guy who's career is coming to an end. jt was a great player to watch when he was disruptive on defense but that is gone and it is time to move on. what the guy did in the last decade has no bearing on where we are now. this outside linebacker group is atrocious and taylor is a patch just like porter was. You have to draft young players and play them. you can't continue to say well he was good three years ago maybe he can be that again. we have done nothing to fix this and look where we are. time to fix it now. btw you can be any fan you want to be and so can i. we are all entitled to that.
We can, I agree 100%. And I think he'd still be a valuable addition to the team, I'm not worshipping him. Even if he is a patch that is something that almost every team has at one position or another. It will take time to find a new, young, linebacking corps. Nothing wrong with keeping JT around one or two more years while that happens. It actually makes a lot of sense.
JT has more left in the tank than most of us think, put him back where he belongs at WOLB and platoon him with Wake. Wake learns from JT, JT's production goes uo when he's in there, Wake comes out a better player, what's to lose in this strategy?
Or heck, create a 3rd and long and 2nd and long package that features JT and Wake as DE's. JT played half a season on a bum shoulder and imho was the only veteran on defense that played worth half a damn vs Pitt and vs Tenn.
Interesting debate and I can see the logic of both sides. JT has been a great player and the face of the Dolphins for most of his career but there comes a time when all players must step down to allow youth to grow for the future. On the other hand if JT can understand his role and accepts the fact he is not what he once was, there should be room on the Dolphins roster for a future ring of honor player and a great mentor and role model for the younger players. Let training camp decide what his role is and what he can do for the Dolphins.
Nope, wrong view, JT is a still productive player who can play 3 different positions and can still provide a passrush. The Ring of Honor stuff is for later.
Exactly, JT is still productive. That's my point. He isn't going to bring the team down with his play, he's going to elevate this team with his play.
Nah, look at it this way, "if" Sparano was willing to carry Q Moses for two years with incredibly limited playing time at the very least Q can be fired and JT can replace him and do more than fill in occasionally. JT can play both OLB slots and DE, imho a roster swap JT for Q is addition by subtraction. Not that I'm against Q, more that JT even at 35 offers more in a situation role, and Q never played on ST either so it is not like a new hole would be created. Imvho, JT could be our 07 version Mike Strahan in 2010.
Although his side is the weakside, whenever he was being doubled and triple teamed they would switch him over to the strongside and did it quite often thru his career.
honestly if we were closer i would be all for an aging vet pod but we aren't you watched it and so did I we aren't close on "D" i stated early in this thread my opinion would be be unpopular but reality is a bitter pill status quo won't get it done
One should not throw out the good with the bad KP, JT played well in 2009, and he had a bad shoulder, if he were garbage or finished I'd be all for trading him out for a youngster...
those were the old days when he could disrupt now the guy will be 36 when the season starts. im not sure we sign jt should have kept roth and have JT be a situational pass rusher in 09 that was a mistake
go back and read the thread pod never once did I call Jason Taylor garbage My point may come off very wrong to some folks here but we have to address this. I'll let it go makes everyone mad. let it play out no ill feelings toward anyone in the thread.
I think it is time we need to look elsewhere if at all possible. He is not the every down, any place type of player he once was. having him for a reduced specialty role is fine but would be pushing it depending on him as a starter. i'm not suggesting just letting him walk but we need to use the next 2 years wisely.
JT was solid last year. The only thing is his run support and thats always been a slight against him. He can be fine and Id much rather have a player that wants to be here than a player like Roth who faked being injured until he was finally let go...
Taylor is still an asset and we're already having to fill Porters roster spot.....letting both of them walk would be a mistake.
