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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    WWE just announced that there will be a Money in the Bank match at WM this year. Tonight on RAW there will be qualifying matches.

    Also there is talk of the WWE turning the Undertaker getting burned into an angle since it's all over the internet with videos etc by having HBK come out and say he was behind it.
     
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  2. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Yeah I just read that myself. I think the MiTB thing is good news...the burning...not so much. Why would HBK want to burn UT? If all he is after is ending the streak, is BBQing UT so that he wouldnt be able to compete at WM really the best idea?

    HBK is pretyt good with turning anything into gold, so I would have to wait and see how they handle it, but I would just chalk it up to an accident and move foreward with no mention of it.
     
  3. Ray Finkle

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    RAW was pretty good tonight, predictable but good. Wrestle Mania is pretty much is rounding out. Glad they're putting up HBK's career vs. Undertaker's streak. That should be the main event, since it's probably the biggest draw match-wise.

    Interesting to see Wendi Richter being inducted into the Hall of Fame. Most people don't know this but she was the original victim of the McMahon screw job and hasn't been mentioned in over 20 years by the WWE. Good to see Vince seems to be trying hard to patch things up with former wrestlers.
     
  4. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Raw was okay to solid. I enjoyed seeing Jericho all happy and Edge attacking from the crowd was a perfect touch. We all knew it was going to this point, but those two have a built in fued as it is and with the title on the line, it makes for a perfect match up in my opinion.

    Not quite sure what they are going for with this Cena/Batista thing. I still have a feeling that Bret Hart and Vince will be involved to some degree. Perhaps Vince calls for the bell, Bret intervenes and Cena is able to win the title back while Bret finally closes that chapter in his life? I can't see them completely seperating these storylines.

    Christian on Raw answers that question. I figured he would be on Smackdown. I really think he would be a better fit there, but I wouldn't be opposed to him winning MitB and then (assuming Cena wins) having him taunt Cena from afar while holding onto his title opportunity for a long time. Meanwhile, teasing that he may go after Jericho/Edge's title as well.

    Undertaker-HBK will be good. Both of these guys are the walking wounded so I am really not sure which one walks away the victor here. I know Shawn is winding down his career, but Taker has some serious replacement surgeries coming up which could in fact, end his in ring career for all intents and purposes. Should be an interesting build.

    No HHH or Sheamus tonight was interesting. I thought for sure that Sheamus would have been at ringside to witness the outcome of the mian event. Nothing would have had to change either. Batista kicks Cena and gets DQ'd. Sheamus gets into the ring to be like WTF? Batista throws him right out and continues his beatdown of Cena. But I suppose he and HHH selling the Chamber injuries is effective too. I am curious if he goes into the MitB match now, or if he goes forward with his own program with someone.

    The top of the WM card is stacking nicely as Ray said. I may end up breaking down and ordering this card.

    Cena vs. Batista
    Jericho vs. Edge
    Undertaker vs. HBK
    Money in the Bank
    Rumored Punk vs. Misterio
    Rumored Orton vs. Dibiase/Rhodes
    Rumored HHH vs. Sheamus

    I can get with that if they throw in a couple more solid undercard matches.

    Also, yeah the Richter thing was interesting. I wonder if she says anything during her speech or not...
     
  5. charlestonphan

    charlestonphan Junior Member

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    what was the deal with Richter? what kind of screw job went down? i was a huge fan back in that time frame and don't remember.
     
  6. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Per wikipedia...

    The Original Screwjob
    In 1985, after losing and then regaining the title from rival Leilani Kai at the inaugural WrestleMania, Richter was scheduled to defend her women's title at Madison Square Garden on November 25 of that same year against a mysterious masked opponent known only as The Spider Lady.[1] Moments into the match, The Spider Lady broke from the pre-scripted events and pinned Richter's shoulders to the mat. The referee—who was in on the plan—delivered a swift three count, despite Richter kicking out after a count of one.[12] Richter ignored the bell and continued to attack the Spider, unmasking the new champion to reveal that it was The Fabulous Moolah in disguise.[12]

    It was reported that the plan to rid Richter of the title was concocted by WWF Chairman Vince McMahon, who brought in Moolah after Richter refused to sign a new contract with the WWF.[12] Richter, however, claims she was still under her original five year contract, but that she regularly had disagreements with McMahon about her compensation.[13] She also claims that when she arrived at the arena that day, she was surprised to find Moolah backstage, as she never showed up to events for which she was not scheduled to wrestle.[13] After the match, an infuriated Richter left the arena in her wrestling gear, took a cab to the airport, and booked herself on a flight out of New York.[13] Afterward, she never spoke to either McMahon or Moolah again.[13]
     
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  7. Ray Finkle

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    I'm still not 100% sold on Triple H taking a backseat and being in a non main event match at WM. I still have a funny feeling he's going to stick his nose in one of the title matches, even if it won't make any sense booking wise. It was interesting to not see him either him or Sheamus but I guess RAW had to be used to set up the more important WM matches.

    I also think HBK is going to lose to the Undertaker and take some time off. I don't think the WWE would or should have the Undertaker lose to Michaels. They should keep the streak alive to help sell his future WM matches. I still wish it was HBK vs. Triple H since I don't think UT/HBK 2 can top what they did last year but we'll see.

    I think it's also time to fire Mark Henry and turn MVP into a heel again. The WWE after WM should really take a good hard look at their roster and really cut the dead weight loose and start giving some new guys more TV time.
     
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  8. Samphin

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    The odd part about the disbanding of ECW is that...I sort of assumed some of the guys would stick around the new place, but then the format was announced and that pretty much made it impossible.

    Guys like Yoshi Tatsu are now put on Raw while being undercooked, so to speak. He really needs at least another year to carve out his niche and to possibl be anything. AS it is now, he will get lost in the shuffle and probably be off tv within a matter of months, of not weeks.

    Furthermore, is forces guys like Santino and Swagger off of tv as well. Which, for me, is a bad thing. Poor Jack Swagger. I almost think at this point he either needs to go to Smackdown, or get released. They have lost all faith in the guy. He is another guy that would have benefitted from a mananger. Could you imagine a stable that started off with the All American American and then added a Wrestling Machine like Dan Bryan? Throw in one more legit guy and you have a nice little heel stable and a manager that could get them over. Sometimes it is just that easy...sigh.

    And I am not sure about HHH. He seems to be entering a phase of his career where he doesn't seem to mind playing second fiddle. He tapped cleanly to Cena and has spent the better half of the last half year in a comedy troop with Shawn Michaels and a midget. He seems content with his place in history right now and might be looking to add to his legacy by helping younger talent get over. Especially since he will be running the show with his wife sooner, probably than later. You may very well be right, and I expect at least one more run at the top, but I am not sure if it happens at this year's WM.

    I give the WWE credit for having a fairly healthy and loaded main event scene right now. Orton, Batista, Cena, UT, Michaels, HHH, Jericho, Edge, Misterio and Punk are all guys hat you could put in the main event and not lose anything. For WM, its one of the few PPVS where I wholeheartedly agree about putting on the best matches with the biggest stars. A complete blow out, and they look to be doing as such.
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    Word going around is that the Ultimate Warrior was originally asked and agreed to be put into the Hall of Fame this year but he has since backed out.

    Also Sheamus didn't show up on RAW last night because he got a concussion at the PPV and wasn't cleared to wrestle. He was suppose to face Cena with the winner going on to face Batista at WM.
     
  10. Silverphin

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    Hey, what are your thoughts on WWE NXT?
     
  11. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    I thought it was ok, and much better than what ecw has been.
    I really have no idea what they plan on doing with it down the road though.
    Daniel Bryan actually got over with the crowd which surprised me.

    David Otunga was on VH1 reality show as "Punk" : "I love New York" season 2 which I thought was funny.
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    http://www.vh1.com/shows/i_love_new_york/season_2/cast.jhtml
     
  12. Silverphin

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    That's because everybody and their mother knows Bryan Danielson.
     
  13. Thunderbolt89

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    Hey WWE released Paul Burchill,Hurricane,and Maria today.Pretty crazy regarding Maria
     
  14. Ray Finkle

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    No big losses here. I figured Hurricane would be gone once he got into trouble with the law a few weeks back and especially now that ECW is done.
     
  15. Ray Finkle

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    WWE released Charlie Haas today, again can't argue with this move as I actually forgot he was still on the roster. It is too bad that the WWE never gave the tag team of him and Shelton Benjamin a real shot when they reunited a year or 2 ago, especially since at the time the tag division was pretty weak (it still is since there are no real tag teams out there, just a bunch of single wrestlers thrown together).

    Rumor going around is that the WWE is working on a Ricky Steamboat DVD which is all kind of awesome if true.

    The WWE also changed the name of the May PPV from 'Final Four Way' to 'Over the Limit'. Both names suck, bring back The Great American Bash.
     
  16. Thunderbolt89

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    Agreed what is with the name changing of all the ppv's? Also yeah I heard about Haas,I remember hearing Angle wanted him to go to TNA so I guess he gets his wish probably.
     
  17. unluckyluciano

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    they should call it the red sox extravaganza!
     
  18. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I'm not sure why they changed the names of the PPVs to be honest with you. I mean especially not the well established ones like Survivor Series and to a lesser extent Backlash. Maybe it has something to do with marketing? No idea.

    Hey TNA should try it, it might get people to watch their shows now that no one cares about them anymore.
     
  19. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Haas only had a job and a contract because there were rumors of him signing with TNA a good while back. WWE panicked for some reason and signed him to keep him from jumping. Now that they have effectively made him irrelevant, it was time to let him go.

    But good for Charlie getting, essentially, free money for years. Angle might stump for him in TNA. I wonder if Burchill can still go like he did when he was younger? He used to be able to do standing Shooting Star Presses and that C4 finisher of his would do well with the X Division guys.

    I have no desire to see Helms anylonger...which means he will sign with TNA and probably start some ******ed Omega storyline.
     
  20. Ray Finkle

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    You don't see a 3 Count reunion happening a mile away with Helms and Shannon Moore in TNA? Honestly I'm sick of the whole Omega/NC crew, especially the Hardys, now anyway. I think the only reason Matt is still on the roster is because the WWE doesn't want him whining to the internet about his treatment and place in the company so it's easier for them to just give him a paycheck and have him job to new talent and help put them over. I also think that Matt thinks he's more important to the business than he actually is/was.
     
  21. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Matt CERTAINLY holds himself in higher regard than he should. He was on the brink of being a guy that could have had a huge impact, but sort of just let himself plateau. He embodies the definition of squandering talent and missed opportunities.

    I don't think they will do a 3 Count reunion, but I do expect references to OMEGA and some acknowledgement to their past in NC and possibly professionally. But Shannon's heavily tatted skin and Helms' nasty back tattoo probably kill any shot of doing a bo band gimmick at this point. Unfortunately, I don't think Helms can even go at this point in the ring with his neck and back injuries.
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    I agree and disagree with Matt on the squandering talent and missed opportunities. I loved his Verison 1.0 gimmick and he basically reinvented himself on his own as when he first turned heel had zero heat. Once he started to get over, the WWE jobbed him out and he never really recovered from it heel wise. I still remember him beating Mysterio at WM19 to keep his CW title and being shocked. It all went downhill first from there. I also think he got screwed a bit with his feud with Edge, as he was basically a 6 month squash feud where Matt never went over Edge. I think if the WWE handled it better it could have made a star out of both him and Edge, because Hardy was over huge when he returned and quickly lost all his heat since he never was able to beat Edge. Whether he was jobbed out quick because of attitude or other problems I don't know, but I do remember thinking both times it seemed unfair to him. Other than those two feud, I agree I think he didn't do himself any favors.

    And when I said 3 Count reunion, I didn't mean TNA bringing back the boy band gimmick, I just meant you'll probably see them teaming together now for better or worse. Personally I don't know why TNA would even waste their time with these guys as they're on the older side and can't really draw. They might as well just take two rookies and see what they can do instead.
     
  23. Thunderbolt89

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    I totally agree with your points on Matt Hardy. At the time I remember Matt being a big free agent and even though he was not a part of the company,the fans would still cheer for him at every show. When they finally signed him back they just totally ruined the push that was setup for him. People were excited to see him back and was arguably more popular in his career then ever before. That was until they jobbed him to Edge,I remember thinking how one sided the feud was and then after that they just shipped him to SmackDown and did nothing with him.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I remember when Hardy wasn't with the WWE and had gotten fired a week or 2 ago, Edge and Lita were going to get married on RAW and just as they were about to say I do, Matt's music played and the crowd went nuts. It was a huge pop. Of course Sinsky ended up coming out since Matt wasn't with the WWE but I think that pop got Matt his job back. Even when he made his return he got a huge pop. Then their SummerSlam match was stopped because Hardy was bleeding too badly and then he lost a cage match at the next PPV and then lost a loser leaves RAW for Smackdown ladder match and that was it. I do wonder what would have happened if the ref stopped the Slam match because Edge was beaten too badly. Maybe Hardy would have still been buried or maybe he could have been a big star but looking back on the feud, it seemed like the E hired him back just to punish him for his comments he made on the internet as a warning to other wrestlers out there.
     
  25. Thunderbolt89

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    Yeah I always wondered that myself,both with how big a push Hardy would have gotten if he was made to have won the feud,but it probably would have hurt Edge since this was at the beginning of his push and maybe that is why the feud was one sided since they did not want to hurt the image of the guy they were trying to build for the top. Also I wonder if they made Matt look bad to serve as an example for those who use the internet as an outlet to grieve.
     
  26. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Please. Matt squandered his opportunities. He spends all of his time pissing on internet fans, picking fights with other wrestlers and basically being an unprofessional twat. When he an dJeff were coming up, they were self made guys who got by on essentially, working harder than everyone else. Once they reached a certain level, they slacked off, became lazy (and DANGEROUS) in the ring and, combined with being part of backstage drama and politics (and a druggie, don't kid yourself, Matt does it too) leads to you getting de-pushed.

    Plus...lets just throw it out there. Matt got fat. I have met and spoken to both Matt and Jeff about a decade ago and their attitudes then to now seem to be completely different. They went form guys who felt the need to constantly prove themselves to guys who feel that something is owed to them. And once that switch is turned on, it is pretty hard to turn it back off, and the individual in question is basically worthless.

    If the WWE cut him tomorrow, I don't think they lose anything. Sure, he would make a name splash at TNA, but none more than say, Mr. Anderson did, which is to say, its mildly interesting but he doesn't bring anything more than name recognition at this point.

    At least Jeff was able to re-capture his passion for the business for a little bit and cash in on his hot streak to become a world champion. Matt Hardy is just a guy who will float through his tenure from now until forever and then blame others when things don't go his way.

    Should he have won some against Edge? Maybe. But history has pretty much bored out that the WWE made the right choice to hitch their wagon to Edge since they have made a TON of money with him. Matt doesn't have the drawing power anymore. He is unmotiviated, lazy, fat and not very good any longer.
     
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  27. charlestonphan

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    Sam... just once, i wish you would tell us how you really feel. just kidding, that pretty much sums up how i feel about MH as well. glad to see it coming from someone with your perspective.

    on a sidebar, wondering if they further the Bret/Vince angle tonite in any way, and am i the only one who is surprised they haven't found a way to get the Hart Dynasty involved in some way, and let them get the rub from this angle?
     
  28. Ray Finkle

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    Good point about if Matt won a few it might have hurt Edge. I mean Edge really used that real life angle to get over as a big time heel. It really pushed him to the next level. And I'm not even sure Matt Hardy would be able to take the ball and run with it. I think the feud was a clear message and wake up call to Matt that the WWE made him and could break him whenever they wanted.

    Nice post, it made me laugh a few times. Can't say that I don't disagree with any of it, I just feel that especially during his Verison 1.0 that he had his legs cut out from under him a bit for whatever reason just when he was starting to get heat. And to be fair, Matt stopped be motiviated and got fat and sloppy once that Verison 1.0 push stopped, so that might have taken the wind out of him.

    I'd would even go futher and say Matt probably wouldn't have gotten over without his brother in the first place. As it was clear from the start Jeff had the better/bigger future and was always more over than Matt. I mean I don't think we'd be talking about Matt Hardy ever if Jeff wasn't around in 1999.

    Jeff gets under my skin more than Matt only because he just doesn't seem like he cares at all about anything. There have been more talented guys in the business that never get 1 shot and Jeff has pissed away numerous ones because he gets bored.

    I think Bret is going to be on RAW tonight for an 'apology' from Vince, I think tonight you'll see a WM match announced or in the very least announce Bret will be in Cena's corner and Vince in Batista's.

    I am a little surprised that the Harts aren't more involved but I doubt they will be now since it seems like Cena is becoming Bret's 'bodyguard' so to speak.
     
  29. Samphin

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    The Hart thing has COMPLETELY pissed me off. Honestly, much like the WCW Invasion angle, it seemed virtually impossible to screw this up...yet they kind of have in my mind.

    Honestly, They have so much footage they could roll out. So much raw and real emotion and yet, they seem to be bungling there way through it. I find it hard to believe that they would sign Bret to do a match if he COULDN'T actually go in the ring. It makes me think that Bret has something planned in terms of being able to go physically. If not, I suppose it wouldn't be the first time the WWE hastily put something together which, with a tad bit of foresight, probably would have changed their direction.

    I don't have a problem with the first appearance and Vince kicking Bret in the "guts." I also don't have an issue with Bret staying off until AFTER the Royal Rumble. But at that point, I think you have to have Vince in the ring, gloating about ridding himself of Hart one last time, only to have Bret's music hit, walk out on to the stage, verbally rip Vince a new ******* about all his failures (XFL, WBF, etc.) and praise the boys in the back for making Vince who he is today. Vince has no respect for anybody in the back, blah blah blah and has an unhealthy obsession with Bret which leads Bret to think that maybe, just maybe, Vince has a crush on him (throwing a gay insult at Vince would probably make the crowd go nuts). And finally, this obsession is so deep seeded that it has affected his family members who work for Vince now. The Hart Dynasty join Bret on stage effectively giving a nice visual of Bret's army versus Vince, standing alone n the ring.

    Vince, feeling backed into a corner, agrees to let the Dynasty have a shot at the undisputed champs (non title) on Raw..but if they lose, they are fired. The match goes on, Miz or Show go for the pin, the ref counts normal as Kidd kicks out, but the bell still rings as Vince is shown demanding the match be over and announces the tag champs as the winners.

    He gets on the mic and lambasts the Hart Dynasty for being losers just like their uncle and that 'THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'RE FIIIIIIIIIRED!' End show.

    The next week. MizShow are in a match, Bret comes in, intereferes and destroys the Raw set. Gets a mic, lays into Vince for screwing with his family again and will not leave the ring until Vince comes down and meets with him face to face right here, right now.

    Vince comes down and says "The Hart Dynasty" screwed themselves, and they got what they deserved. But since he is a businessman, he has invited them here tonight and calls them to the ring (in street clothes). He tells them that he will give them new contracts, provided that they turn their backs on their family, their names, their lives. Walk away from the Hart Dynasty. Walk away from a cursed family...and join a blessed one. Because you see, my son Shane has left the company (which is true) and my wife has her sights set on becoming a Senator for Connecticut (also true) and his daughter feels the need to stay at home and raise her children. So you see, I, have essentially, LOST my dynasty.

    Bret pleads with them not to listen to Vince as Vince is a liar and hello...just SCREWED them the week before. Harry is tentative, but almost without fail, Tyson turns around, decks Bret in the face and hugs Vince. Natalya joins him and both of them, along with Vince grab Harry (who is still somewhat on the fence) in for a huge hug in the middle of the ring over a fallen Bret Hart.

    The next week, The McMAHON Dynasty gets a tag team match, Natalya gets a Divas match and their profile gets hire up. They have abandon the traditional pink and black for some generic McMahon logoed tights. After they win, Bret hits the ring with a chair and all the kids bail. Bret grabs a mic. Bret has lost his career, his titles, his legacy has been ruined and now, his family to McMahon. He no longer is looking for closure. He is no longer looking for revenge. He now wants blood. Seeing as how Vince has taken Bret's blood, Bret won't stop until he gets some of Vince's in return. And if he has to do it alone, then so be it.

    Vince comes out, standing behind the former Hart Dynasty. Berates Bret, calling him a loser, a has been, and someone who was propped up by other people. Vince isn't scared of Bret, and if Bret wants blood...he isn't going to get it. Not now, not ever...and walks off.

    Over the next few weeks, Bret keeps interrupting matches, busting open various wrestlers and essentially causing havoc across both shows. Vince gets fed up and agrees to a First Blood Match at Wrestlemania.

    At Wrestlemania, they have a small, tight, brawl (to whatever Bret's comfort level is). Vince kicks Bret in the balls and Bret is down. Vince motions to the back for the McMahon Dynasty to come out. They come out in jumpsuits brandishing chairs, canes, etc. Vince instructs them to bust Bret open. As Bret struggles to his feet...Tyson, Natalya and Harry turn around, take off their jumpsuit tops to reveal the HART colors. Vince gives that big gulp of his that he does and tries to run as Hary and Tyson grab him. Natalya hands a chair to Bret who just DESTROYS Vince. Over and over again until he bleeds. But as the ref goes to ring the bell, Bret grabs his arm and says, "I'm not done yet." The Dynasty boys hit their finisher, Natalya slaps Vince and eventually, Bret slaps on the sharpshooter and locks it in as Vince is just in agonizing pain, blood dripping down his face and tapping out frantically as Tyson and Hary don't allow the bell to be rung (the exact OPPOSITE of an early bell being rung at Survivor Series even though the match is clearly over).

    Eventually, Vince passes out from the pain in a puddle of his own blood (ala Stone Cold years earlier), the bell is finally rung and Bret's music hits as he stands tall in the ring with his reunited family, Vince humiliated in the middle of the ring, screwed at his biggest creation by his arch nemesis.

    At that point. Bret leans down, spits on Vince one last time and walks off.

    With that ending, Bret gets his resolution, Vince gets his Wrestlemania moment out of it and the young guys get a higher profile rub from working with legends. Hell, you could continue it after Wrestlemania with Vince being bandaged up, limping and playing up that his family betrayed him (the Harts) and he will make sure that their punishment comes tenfold on their heads. He then books them in a bunch of matches where sometimes they win and sometimes they don't, etc.

    I would think that simple fued is a million times better than what they have booked so far.
     
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  30. Sethdaddy8

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    its still real to me dammit. :yes:
     
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  31. Ray Finkle

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    I didn't see RAW but I read the report on it. Nice to see Jack Swagger win a match. I heard the Cena/Batista promo was pretty good.
     
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    thought that Batista was as good on the mic as i have ever seen him. and Vince, we all know is good with promos, but the way he goaded and berated Bret last night was gold.

    Sam, love the angle you laid out. and it would make soooo much sense. but it is too late for it now i think.

    also liked how the DX thing played out, from the in-ring promo with HBK and HHH at the beginning to the finish of the match with Show-Miz.
     
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  33. unluckyluciano

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    good thing is he dominated santino. not just beat him.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    I agree, I'm glad he didn't win on a roll up or something cheap like that. I seriously have no idea who's going to win the MiTB match right now, none of the guys in it thrill me.

    I guess Christian is the favorite right now as they can turn him heel (if they want to keep Edge as a face which doesn't work for his character or fit his strengths) and work a short program with him after WM until they gear towards building up a new challenger for Summer Slam. Of course that's assuming Edge won't trip, fall and hurt himself by then.
     
  35. Samphin

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    I missed the show as well, but reading the results...both Swagger and MVP won their respective matches in less than a minute. That, combined with a HEAVY promo night (DX, Vince/Bret, Batista/Cena) leads me to believe that their was soem serious pacing issues that made those matches go shorter than usual. Not that I have an issue with Swagger murdering Santino dead, but it did seem odd to see both matches end so swiftly.

    So MitB is now Christian, MVP, Swagger, Kane, Shelton Benjamin, Dolph Ziggler and two open spots. Based on who is the match, Christian seems like the odds on favorite right now. Although I could see them giving Kane a shot for being a loyal guy for so long (not that he would win a title). Shelton now has more appearances thananyone else in this match I think and I almost want to give it to him simply so he doesn't look like such a loser. But Christian has got to be the odds on favorite for now. and I don't think they have to turn him heel. Remember, the briefcase is good for an entire year so he can essentially pick who he wants to face at any time.

    HHH-Sheamus looks to be a go. A tad surprising that HHH is taking such a low profile match on this card, but I got to thinking about it and, he is not only a wrestler, but a shareholder and essentially part owner, so the odds are pretty good that he is going to make a HUGE payday once again and may not care so much about his "spot" anymore. Afterall he did just tap cleanly to Cena last month and is ding his best to help Sheamus get over. I am almost of the mindset that HHH may have turned a corner with his career and is content to get the next generation over.

    Having said that, I wouldn't mind them adding a No DQ stip or something to this as Sheamus is an excellent stiff brawler and HHH can hold his own in that regard. I would love to see a crazy Kevin Sullivan-Chris Benoit type brawl all over the arena. That could be a lot of fun.

    Overall, the card last night appeared to not be too entertaining on its own, but its job was to plug the hell out of WM and it did that early and often, so it has to be a success.

    Also of note, it appears that Austin will be the last Guest Host for awhile. Apparently they are ending the bit after his appearance on the 15th.
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    I'm shocked that the guest host thing lasted as long as it did, but I think it would be better to have an every week GM since aside from 3 or 4 guest hosts that were actually good, the rest were forgetable and really didn't add much to the programs.

    I'm surprised too that Triple H is taking a backseat as well, I was pretty confident that he was going to be inserted into the Cena/Batista feud (hey there's still time to make that match a Final Four Way with Sheamus). I know people say that Triple H wants to break Ric Flair's title record, so I'm not sure putting over the new generation is in his mindset just yet and I expect to see that belt will be around his waist sooner than later but I'm glad he's taking a backseat at least for one show finally.

    I'm not sure where the WWE is going to go with the winner of the MiTB match as none of the guys are really close to making the next step unless they add John Morrison or The Miz to the match. I'm sure the other two spots will go to Finlay and Mark Henry.

    It looks/sounds like Orton is starting to get babyface pops the last few weeks on RAW as well as at the Rumble (which I think started it all). It will be interesting to see if the WWE turns him into one instead of trying to get DiBiase and Rhodes over as faces now.

    I'm interested to see what they're going to do with the Undertaker/HBK match as I can't see Michaels winning the match only because it would waste Taker's streak on someone that doesn't need the win and also stops future potential storylines with UT at WM. Plus it will be fun to see if they can top their last WM match, which I don't think is possible but then again I doubted them last year too. I think you'll see Taker win and Michaels taking a vacation until Summer Slam or so and set up a farewell WM match against Triple H. A great move in my opinion would be Michaels to make a surprise return at the Royal Rumble, win the thing and challenge Triple H in a 'friendly' battle and use the 2000 Mick Foley WM storyline as this will be Michaels last match no matter what so if he beats Triple H and wins the title, the next night on RAW he'll give it up and a tournament will start to crown the new champion. But I guess I'm getting way ahead of myself now.
     
  37. Samphin

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    Taker needs a hip replacement, so his time as an active wrestler is winding down and probably quicker rather than later. At this point, I think it makes more sense for him to keep the streak intact. I don't even think giving the duke to a younger guy is enough. The Streak is better in tact for posterity purposes than losing either to a legend like HBK or a new up and comer who, may or may not be able to catapult that victory into something greater.

    I believe the last to MitB spots will be added on Smackdown so Henry is most likely out, as is Morrison since he lost a qualifier bout. I actually thought it would have been interesting to see HHH enter the MitB match as having a name like that involved with the younger guys would be pretty cool to see and give even more legitimacy for the match. HHH could have taken the angle that, since both title matches have been booked, his only way to headline WM is to win the MitB and cash it in that night to walk out of WM the champion. Then the drama is in A: if he wins, B: if he cashes it in and C: if he wins...again.

    As for Orton, I applaud the WWE for seemingly rolling with the Orton face pops instead of forcing Dibiase/Rhodes into the face role that they initially were going to go with. The crowd is cheering Orton so they are letting it naturally play out, which will make for a more organic (and better) face turn than forcing the issue when the crowd is clearly dumping on the others. I think the interesting aspect will be what happens to Kofi Kingston since he most likely won't be in MitB and his recent program with Orton might make sense for him to get involved in that program in some capacity, but you have to explain why he would side with Orton at this point. The easiest way would be for Legacy to beat Kofi down and have Orton save him, and then have Kofi return the favor the following week and they do the common enemy makes us united deal.
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    Just saw the match listing for the new Hart Family DVD and I'm pretty disappointed in it as a lot of the matches are on previous sets like the Bret Hart/Bulldog SS '92 match, Bret/Owen SS '94 cage match, 10 man tag, Owen/Bulldog European Title RAW match etc. The only match that I think is worth it is the very rare Bret & Owen vs. Steiner Brothers from early 1994 which is just awesome wrestling. I might still pick up the DVD set just for that match, but again overall pretty disappointing and I don't feel the DVD is worth it for the documentary on the Hart family themselves.
     
  39. Samphin

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    Caught the second half of NXT tonight. Saw the Otunga/R-Truth "fight" that was really those two rolling aorund on the floor like a couple of gay cowboys.

    Danil Bryan continues to be the focus of the show despite losing his second straight match, but it seems to make sense within the context of the story they are trying to tell (I think). They covered the blown spot fairly well and Jericho droppping the knee on the Walls of Jericho again on him was awesome to see. Bryan appears ot have some receipts t had out to a few of the "pros" down the road. Justin Gabriel (Angel) is still the oddest looking guy I have ever seen and his Metrosexual act won't go over on the main roster as it currently stands. He is either oging to have to girl it up more or just drop it and try to be generic high flyer guy (which Evan Bourne alreayd does...and better).

    Skip Sheffield I have not been exposed to too much, but a few people whose opinion I trust tell me he isn't worth a damn. He is a solidly built dude though, that's for sure.

    It appears that each week, a different rookie will get a chance to shine in the main event. Bryan last week, Gabriel this week. I am okay with that. The one thing that is annoying me is Cole. Not so much his heel persona but that fact that the ring announce JUST announced Danil Bryan as being 202 pounds...and then he announces his weight as 190. Then Jericho's rookie is announced as 6'7" and Cole announces him at 6'5". Not sure if he is purposely supposed to be shortchanging these guys or if he doesn't pay attention or what...but it stood out as bad announcing tonight.
     
  40. Thunderbolt89

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    So what does everyone expect tomorrow night with TNA being on Monday from now on?
     

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