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KC Joyner: Dansby not much better than Akin Ayodele

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Fair enough, however in this case Joyner's stats fail him, Dansby is not meant to be a banger, he is meant to be a playmaking ILB, we do not need a stack and shed ILB, we need a TFL/INT/FF ILB, he is barking up the wrong statistical tree.
     
  2. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box


    And what did Lawrence Taylor say to the crowd of kids after introducing Adam Sandler (The Waterboy) and he just stood there stuttering?

    This is why we don't smoke crack!

    Someone needs to test Joyner...
     
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  3. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

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    Pro Football Focus had a different result:

    Run Ratings of ILBs (in on at least 50% of the snaps):

    Dansby: 17th in the league (grade of 5.9)
    Ayodele: 31st in the league (grade of -3.1)

    Considering how low Ayodele and Crowder were graded in their overall rankings, I think PFF should be given a little more credence than Joyner's bookkeeping here.
     
  4. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    Have you heard there is an NFL draft the third week of April ?....we may add Rolando McClain or Brandon Graham, so I think it's a little premature to start penciling in Linebackers and their responsibilities in our 3-4 just yet.
     
  5. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Dansby's pass coverage ALONE is worth of us dumping akin and picking him up. Nevermind he's way better of a tackler too.
     
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  6. Vaark

    Vaark Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium

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    Stats are important and sometimes relevantly revealing. While they also sometimes do a great job of "seeing" the details of every branch, leaf and bark of a tree, however in context to where that tree stands in the forest, they still miss the mark by a mile.

    More power to Joyner for coming up with this faux-scientist shtick in what's a crowded guru marketplace, but as others have pointed out, his applied "science" has proven to be hardly infallible.
    What's next for him: making the case that there really wasn't too much measurable difference
    between Lito Shephard and Revis? I also agree with whoever speculated that he well may have a Florio-sized grudge against Parcells or some long-standing passive aggressive gripe with the franchise.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You never heard of KC and the Sunshine Band?
     
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  8. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    BrazForPhins From south

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  10. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass Luxury Box Luxury Box

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    And this is why I hate fantasy sports, it has driven a generation of sports fan into sports geeks, I mean who really takes their eyes off the stat sheets and watches the damn game anymore?
     
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  11. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Please don't bark up in my tree about linebackers :lol:
     
  12. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Me too.

    Funny because my next thought was, "o @%$# now we won't be able to get him."
     
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  13. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    took our jobs!!!
     
  14. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    :lol: I said the same exact thing.
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Let's take it a little further:
    Stops (solo tackles including sacks that constitute an offensive failure)
    Dansby: 56, tied for 5th in the league amongst ILBs
    Akin: 24, tied for 40th

    Yards per completion allowed in their coverage
    Dansby: 7.5, sixth lowest out of 54 ILBs who played at least 25% of snaps.
    Akin: 14.0, 4th highest

    NFL QB rating for passes into their coverage (higher ranking the better):
    Dansby: 45th from worst with 81.9, so 9 ILBs allowed a lower QB rating
    Akin: 5th from the worst with a 128.4

    % of passes caught in their coverage:
    Dansby: 70.9% which was the 44th out of 54. Only 10 ILBs did better.
    Akin: 85.7%, tied for 6th worst.
     
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  16. greasyObnoxious

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    so, by all accounts, Ayodele and Dansby are comparable in shedding blocks. this is something Ayodele was actually good at. it's the other things that make Dansby a superior player.
     
  17. Jaj

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    Dansby is still better in that even. Dansby is on the next to elite level at LB and it's rare to see ILBs that good available.
     
  18. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I am embarrassed for KC Joyner right now.
     
  19. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    This, exactly.
    This is like saying Pat Willis isn't worth a crap cause he can't blow up blocks like Butkus and Ray Ray.
     
  20. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Not sure I agree with Joyner's numbers, but I do agree we have probably only marginally increased the effectiveness of our defense when the money could have been spent on a free agent WR which would have had a significant impact on our offense.
     
  21. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    With all due respect brother, have you watched much of Dansby?
    Remember all those cut back runs we watched go for 10-30 yards last year? That will change.
    Remember cringing anytime a TE left the LOS on a pass play last year? That will change.
    Remember how good it felt when Chowder intercepted Tammy Brady to seal the game last year? Get used to that feeling, cept with a much greater frequency :yes:
     
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  22. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Really? Which FA WR would you have given all that money too?
     
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  23. Ricky4Life

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xBipuPuVYs"]YouTube- Karlos Dansby, Adrian Wilson and Darnell Dockett, heart of the Cardinals defense.[/ame]

    Get used to seeing Dansby being a monster on this defense.
     
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  24. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I have no doubts that Dansby is a huge upgrade at the position. I still believe the impact a Boldin / Marshall would have a much bigger impact on our offense and our team overall than improving the defense. Improving the offense improves both offense and defense at the same time. Improving defense only improves the defense. The passing game will continue to struggle if not addressed.

    Pardon me, I meant SOME of that money. I'm surprised you would call me out on that. The fact that a free agent WR would have been much cheaper doesn't really help your argument. If in fact your argument is that the money was better spent on Dansby than a WR. I'm not sure if that's the case.
     
  25. dwhorton

    dwhorton New Member

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    while i don't always agree with the stat guys since their grading is limited to game tape, they do offer alot of good insight. like what KC said about g. wilson last year. but i have to agree here dansby is alot better player especially in coverage.
     
  26. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Wow. A lot of hate for KC. Everyone gets thing wrong from time to time, but let's not act as if he has no clue what he is talking.

    I think I remember him say Gibril Wilson was a mistake.. that turned out pretty accurate. Also he said Jake Grove was a monster when healthy and for the most part that seemed correct. Now he also said he thought Ginn would have a good year ( not so right on that one).

    Debate his assessment/judgement but relax on the name calling.
     
  27. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    The passing game is not the biggest weakness on this football team. The biggest weakness on this team was the linebacker position which except for the upgrade of Dansby still sucks IMO.
    We gave up 390 points last year and you think adding a WR over Dansby helps the defense. That has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read here. You have to figure out a way to stop someone if you expect to win football game consistently. We were competitive last season with our offense and lost football games because of the defense. You would have to be blind in both eyes not to see that. I'm sick of the we should have went after Boldin whining. Face it The Dolphins weren't interested in Boldin because he is not worth the piss when he is on the bench injured. The FO is way smarter than that and smarter than those of you who wanted to throw away a pick on a washed up wideout.
    Get over it the defense has to be addressed first in this whole thing if you expect to be competitive. That is why we didn't use a third on Boldin and certainly wont use a first on Marshall.
    I say people need to quit crying about not having a big weapon. For those of you who want to see shootouts every week it is not a logical way to win games. Keeps the defense on the field and allows the opponent to score more often.
    Wake up!
     
  28. flynryan151

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    GREAT VIDEO! Look at how he covers receivers, backs and tight ends, he creates plays and interceptions! None of our ILBs do that! I'm gonna go as far to say that with him on the field Clarke, Shockey, Gonzo, etc wouldn't have had their way with us! Yeah! Marginal upgrade suuuuuuuure!
     
  29. flynryan151

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    Really because the only decent FA WR to sign so far is Burleson and he got 5yr 25 mil with 11 mil guarantee and he is a average number 2 at best. I know Boldin signed an extension with his trade, but he was a trade so not really a FA.
     
  30. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    The offense might not have set the world on fire but they generally did enough. If the Miami defense would have even given up just an average amount of fourth quarter points last season they would have been a playoff team. That sounds like the problem to me. You don't have to score 40 points a game to win a Super Bowl. I'd like to see the WR position upgraded also but it is a lower priorty than the defense.
     
  31. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Have we actually signed Dansby. I am not able to find it anywhere.
     
  32. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    That money was absolutely better spent on Dansby that ANY UFA WR.
    You still haven't said who you would've spent that money on.
     
  33. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Really? It's pretty much everywhere now.
     
  34. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Oh yeah, KC and the Sunlife Band, "Get down tonight". :lol:
     
  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Nothing on NFL.com

    I did just find an article at the Herald..

    They are reporting its official but the article said he would sign by 5pm....it is 4:50............just making sure

    Then the article says he was driving around looking for a place to grow routes. I guess that means a house to buy. I guess he can afford it:yes:
     
  36. DearbornDolfan

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    Did you check the Dolphins website, by any chance?
     
  37. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the middle defense is the problem that must be addressed immediately
    w/ the acquisition of Dansby (a major upgrade & elite NFL ILB)
    the NT & FS have to be addressed in the draft or free agency

    don't think the WR position is as important
    Antonio Bryant would be a quick & relatively inexpensive fix
    Brandon Marshall is the only WR in FreeAgency worth a major investment
    our WR Corp is much underestimated & should step up in 2010
     
  38. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Nope being lazy I guess. I don't go there anymore.

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<I have an addiction of looking at pictures of Lilly.

    My therapist says to slowly weed myself off her by only visiting the site every other day. It's an off day:shifty:
     
  39. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Nowhere did I suggest that adding a WR would help our defense more than adding Dansby. I suggested adding a #1 WR would help our team more overall. And I stated that helping offense helps defense at the same time. If you don't understand that, you weren't watching the Saints or the Colts play last year. And you obviously don't understand how much easier it is for teams to play defense when their offense has given them a 2 - 3 possession lead.

    Boldin washed up? 84 receptions and over 1k receiving = washed up? Ok.

    Don't get me wrong. I understand that our defense, especially in the 4th quarter was a huge problem last year and needs to be addressed. I'm also happy that we added Dansby. But I think WR was and still is our biggest need. It's my opinion that there is a ceiling to how well a defense can perform against the top offenses in this league based on the current NFL rules that favor passing offense. I don't think we'll succeed in today's NFL if we ignore offense in favor of defense. But there's still plenty of free agency left and I'm hoping the FO has a plan.
     
  40. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Based on what?

    Boldin or Marshall.
     

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