It''s funny you say that. Did you know the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 are all based on retired Yankee numbers (Robinson's 42 being an exception)? Lindelof is a big Yankee fan.
its funny you say that because in the first season, when we met the Character Boone, i thought he was named after Aaron Boone, and when Clair had their baby, she named him "Aaron" i thought they named him Aaron because they had a Boone! Maybe thats why Kate's 51, Bernie Williams
According to Carlton (EP), Kate's name was in the cave and is crossed out (it didn't make the edit). Maybe Jacob hasn't updated his lighthouse list in a while... Tonight's episode was really good stuff and I think the best episode so far this season. Although I'm not a huge Sayid fan, I did enjoy the episode tonight. I'm also really liking the flash-sideways. It's a good way to get a fresh take on these characters. I can't wait to see Sawyer and Ben's centric episodes. Those FS should be interesting.
Agreed. It also looks from the preview that next week will probably be the Ben-centric episode...very exciting.
Smokey doesnt **** around, and why is it that Others who know something end up dieing? So much for Illana.
Anyone remember Ben's magic box metaphor in season 3? Looks like Flocke has similar access (if he does bring Nadia back from the dead). Wonder if we will really get an answer about that (not that I need one, I can accept that Jacob and Flocke are supernatural and can do whatever).
great episode... love sayid, although it appears he's really done for now... lol... really, what the hell happened to Sawyer? And why did it look like the people that are following FLocke will be jumping off a cliff next week?
I find it interesting that 'Locke' didn't offer Sawyer the same thing he offered Sayid to give him anything he wanted.
Why in the hell was Keamy holding Jin in the flash sideways, and did it have anything to do with the large sum of money that Jin was found to be carrying upon his arrival at LAX in the season opener? And as a general note, I've been disappointed in the final season as a whole thus far. I get the feeling that the writers are simply "winging" it and are as clueless as most of the viewing audience regarding where to next take the storyline.
I'm sure we will find out why in Jin's flash sideways. But I agree with you I'm not a fan at all of this final season. Sure some of the things have been cool, like the stuff with the lighthouse and the cave but we're not getting any REAL answers, just more questions. I think its obvious the writers are winging it. And a lot of this new stuff is coming out of nowhere. Where's Charles Winmore and Mrs. Hawkings? What's the deal with the Temple people and did they have any relationship with The Others and if so it seems like Dogen (spelling?) was the leader and not Ben. This season just doesn't fit really, maybe it will once we see the other 10 episodes but right now it's been a bit of a disappointment, especially when you go back from the first episode of the series to now, I understand that shows have to go in different directions to stay fresh but I think they're taking things too far off course. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a fan of the show but I'm just disappointed in it right now.
they have been winging it since the pilot.the writers were asked to write the pilot not assuming it would be picked up and started work on other projects.when the pilot got picked up the writers really werent sure which way to go with it.they wrote that pilot to go in many different directions.now they are really stumped as to ,how to end it concidering one of their main characters in the begining(walt) grew 6 friggin feet in a year,they are dealing with other actors time restraints due to other projects of the actors and so forth.now they are trying(i havent seen the new season but have kinda kept up)to rewrite to storyline to make some kind of sense.i'm wondering if we don't find the answers this season and they end up making a movie to appease the fans.jmo
I agree. Looking at what the show has become, especially when you consider the first couple of seasons, you can't help but be disappointed. The lighthouse scene is a perfect example. They've sailed around the island by yacht to arrive at the Others' camp in previous seasons, and they don't spot a lighthouse because they "weren't looking for it." Give me a break. They had no problems spotting the ruins of a statue with four toes on that same yacht ride. I understand the writers backed themselves into a corner with the amount of questions they've raised in the previous 5 seasons, but it seems like they've been all over the map trying to explain some of these occurences.
Excellent point about the yacht not seeing the lighthouse, I didn't even think about that part, then again I'm sure there are tons of plot hole type things like that on this show. But you're right about how they used the cop out phrase of 'you weren't looking for it' or 'someone didn't want you to see it until now' etc it's just an excuse because the writers didn't think about this stuff when they wrote those earlier seasons and this is the best way to explain it. I'm still having a tough time with all of these rules that Jacob and Smokey have too. It seems like they're making those things up on the fly as well. Jacob can be killed by Ben and Fake Locke yet Sayid can't kill Fake Locke? The more you think about this show the more I feel like almost everything that happened in the past 5 seasons seem really pointless. I mean remember when finding the hatch and what was in it in Season 1/2 and everything with the buttons and Desmond? Or how the The Others were such a big deal and now they're meaningless. Its like none of that stuff matters now. Even the 'war' between Ben and Windmore seems pointless too, when that was the big deal in the past 2 seasons, especially since the promo for next week's episode makes it seem like Ben is a goner now.
i get the strong feeling where this is going to turn into every single other major network show in its final season. all it is are 'tearjerker' stories (ie jack and his kid), followed by bringing someone back from an earlier season to make you feel nostalgic (don't even have to give examples of those), and then start killing off everyone. all shows do this and its really annoying. i never watched ER, but i remember the trailors for the final season's eps, and every single one of them showed a steamy romance, an old face, and the statement that 'someone isn't going to SURVIVE." i realize those are all easy ways to end a show, i figured the writers of lost would be above that though
How can you not get the feeling that all those Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Eko, etc. centric-episodes from previous seasons were nothing but filler? Can you imagine if Boone, who has been on hiatus since Season 1, is brought back and plays a major role in the final outcome of the show, especially considering all that has gone on since he died? I'm glad Dogen was killed in this episode, though. Season 6 is way too late into the game to introduce a new character to the storyline. I'm hoping that Illana is next, for the very same reason.
Wow, you guys are being really hard on the show. Yeah, it's flawed, but no where as bad as some are marking it out to be. While I love the mythology of it all, there are big things happening besides just that. The Flash-Sideways are giving you tons of season 1 storylines with new twists. The characters have finally learned something. Kate stops running, goes back to help Claire, Jack is dealing with his daddy issues from the perspective of being a father, Locke accepts his limitations and tries to have the best life possible, etc... As far as character driven material goes, Lost has delivered this season... We still have Ben, Sawyer, Hurley, and Richard centric episodes coming up, which should be great. I don't think any of you guys are going to be happy with the ending, I'm calling it now. If TPTB don't answer every little question (they promise we'll have questions), then the show is a failure. Really, if you're hanging on to the show just to get answers, you might as well watch grey's anatomy or some ****. You're not going to be satisfied with whatever they do.
Thanks Clark Kent. I agree. The show is trying to wrap things up as best it can. There will be some questions still left unanswered. I think the writers had a whole off-season to write the ending. IMHO I don't think they're winging it.
I thought it was an okay episode. I still like the show but there is a lot of strange stuff going on that doesn't sit well with me. I watch the show and am like 'WTF' and not in a good way anymore.
See you're missing my points. I still like the show and will watch it but I'm disappointed in it. It's changed way too much from what it started out as to what it's become now. Do I need every single question answered to be happy? No. But I don't want to be feeling like I'm being dragged along and everything I've seen in the past seasons (no matter how good those episodes were) was a waste of time in the long run of things. Some of the major themes from the first few seasons are completely meaningless now. Lost has always been good with their character development stuff, but that's not my issue either. I always enjoyed the backstories (minus Kate who just bores the hell out of me no matter what she does). It has to do with the ultimate goal of this show, it's way to jumpy and wishy washy. While I found the sideways stuff interesting, I really don't need to see it. I would question why we're seeing it in the first place but I'm trying to keep an open mind about it and I'm sure its going to tie into things somehow. But it just seems like it's a time filler since they can't focus on the island stuff 100% of the time and they already did the flashfoward/post island living already. I will argue that besides from Kate and Jack, none of the other characters need sideways stories to show their grown, since they all have done that while they were on the island and are all different people today than they were when they landed on the island. As for the ending, I have no idea if I will like it or not. I'll have to see it first before I can comment. I do know that the ending won't please everyone, just human nature. But I'm going to go into the final episode with an open mind and not go into the episode trying to convince myself I'm going to like it or hate it no matter what. Believe it or not, I'm not being a hater nor a fan boy. I'm just pointing out the huge flaws the show has. Which even you admitted they have. Which does take away my overall enjoyment of the show.
Agreed completely and I guess that's what I was trying to say in my previous post, just in way too many words.
I don't believe the writers are winging it either, I just think they are taking the 'normal' way out as a lot of other shows. One reason why I have loved this show is because it has always felt different from other network shows, and the way these last few episodes have been structured, it's losing that feeling to me. 1. For instance, there have been characters brought back for no real reason whatsoever. Characters like Boone, Keamy, Ethan. They didn't change anything in this last season, and didn't really contribute to the plot at all (jury still out on Keamy). Some 'bring-backs', like Nadia and Helen are worth it because they contributed to the main character's storylines and character development. Those I can deal with. What i dont like is a "hey remember this guy?" moment and then moving on. 2. They're trying to force "awww" moments into all of the episodes. this is more okay with me than #1, I just dont want to see it every episode. Locke and Helen, Jack and his son, Sayid and Nadia. It'll be harder to do that with episodes coming up featuring Ben, Hurley and Richard, though I'm sure they'll bring back Alex and Rousseau for 'aww' moments with ben, and probably hurley's mom and dad as well. 3. The killing. This concerns me the least of my 3 gripes, as lost has always had deaths. But I really hope they don't have a big kill every episode. They've been good so far, only really killing jacob's bodyguards, dogen, nerdy #2 guy, and a bunch of others. But they definitely sounded like they're killing off someone bigger next week. this hasn't become an issue yet, but it still could. All in all, i'm liking this last season. I dont expect everything to be answered, and I don't expect everything to be 'happy' (i dont think an actual fan could really expect those things to ever happen with this show). I just hope they don't fall into that final season rut where every episode has to have a love story, an old face, and a death. my guess for next week: Love/Aww story- Ben and Rousseau/Alex Old Face- Other than rousseau or alex, IMDB says the useless face will be Spoiler Doc Arzt Death- Ben or Miles
I hope they do some more back info on the Dharma initiative. That was my favorite plot line; with Desomnd in the hatch and all the crazy technology. I'd also like to know the relationship between the outside 'Others' and the inside 'Others' since Ben was able to summon the smoke monster in previous seasons. And did they just decide that the whole pregnancy on the island plot line is worthless? They spend a lot of time on that and now it just seems done. And the entire last season where they got off the island just to come back seems like complete filler now too...
This was really well written, even if it was only a sentence or two, and explains my recent thoughts on this show perfectly.
As was everything with Walt and the hatch too. They spend all of Season 2 with the hatch and pushing those numbers in every 108 minutes and for what? That too just seems like a giant waste of time now (although it was a great season). And again I agree with the stuff between the outside Others and inside Others needs to be better explained, especially with what Ben's relationship is with everyone.
Do not agree... There is a NEW timeline where the OF815 didn't crash... They had to get the original cast together. I loved the Boone and Locke conversation. And who's to say some older characters like Boone and Shannon are one and done.... Once again, it's not an "aww" moment... Alex is apart of Ben's life, his history. Why wouldn't she be brought back in the new timeline? Same goes for all other minor characters who've somehow impacted the Losties lives. I just don't understand the problem. Lost has always killed off lesser characters with ease, something I'm not fond of, but whatever. As for Ben, there is NO WAY Ben will die... next week. He's one of the biggest characters on Lost and has much unfinished business. Namely Widmore and resolution with Jacob/M.I.B. Killing Ben off doesn't make any kind of sense for this show. Dharma is done, I think. Seems Ben opened Pandora's box with that one. As he has stated previously, he has problems with emotional stress and decision making. No. I agree with this... I don't really understand it. I think the point of that is "be careful what you wish for." Leaving the island was suppose to be a good thing. However it ended up badly for everyone. Maybe it was a lesson in fighting destiny? Not sure... I loved this episode. It had almost everything I want in a Lost episode.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20348187,00.html Jeff Jensen's blog. As always, a long read but there's more than a few interesting tidbits, such as...
This episode made something painfully clear. The sideways world is all about change/redemption. Kate stops running and goes back for Claire, Locke accepts his fate and moves forward, Jack deals with his daddy issues from the perspective of a father and makes good decisions, and Ben sacrifices his own desires for the sake of Alex. Sayid's is the only one really out of place. He's still making bad decisions and killing. Ben centric eps always deliver. Good storyline in both worlds, and one very interesting scene with the Flocke. Looks like Flocke lied to Sawyer about the island not needing protection... Or perhaps he was lying to Ben. My guess is he needs someone to replace himself as Jacob does. Of course Ben is the perfect target, he's always been power hungry and has always sacrificed for the island. However Ben decided to return to Ilana and co. That's an interesting choice because his speech to Illana about not forgiving himself for killing Jacob is probably true. There doesn't appear to be anything for him there, except redemption. Oh, and if the episode wasn't cool enough, we get Widmore (I knew Ben wouldn't die for that reason, he and Widmore have a war to fight). It's interesting that Ben and Widmore appear to know certain "rules" and have to play by them, much like the M.I.B. and Jacob. If Ben chose team Jacob, does that mean Widmore is team M.I.B. and will try to use him like he tried to do to Ben? 9 left folks... Let's hope this episode was the momentum builder.
Could Widmore have been Wallace? I guess this means we'll be seeing Desmond and Penny once again. Great episode, I didnt think Ben would follow Illyana back to the beach but sure enough. I do think He will ultimately do something for the greater good by the time this season is over.
Michael Emerson is the MAN. I rewound The Big Scene with Ilana again. How heartbreaking, and as sincere as I've ever seen Ben. "He's the only one who'll have me." "I'll have you." Ilana as agent of grace? So interesting. I wonder if the castaways actions in the Sideways world somehow determine their fate back on the island ...
Good episode tonight. I just wish they didn't put Widmore's name in the opening credits so it would have been a better surprise at the end. I kept waiting to see him pop up.
so is there any explanation or conjecture on the connection between Richard and the Black Rock? Was he a slave?
I think we're to assume he was with the way he was talking. Of course it's been long speculated that he was. Something that I haven't heard anyone talk about was the conversation between Ben and his father when his father mentions they never should have left the island. It was a total WTF moment because I thought we were to assume the island was destroyed by the explosion and was at the bottom of the ocean as seen in the 1st episode of this season. Maybe I misunderstood what he said but if not raises (surprise surprise) more questions.
I guess Richard's not a candidate. EVen though he was touched by Jacob. Ben's flash sideways was excellent. He had a chance for power, to be the principal, but chose to help Alex. Total reversal from the island. Makes me wonder that if you stayed on Jacob's side, your flash sideways was a means of redemption. Touching on what CK said above. Loved Miles getting those diamonds, LOL... I go back to Michael and how he died in the end. After not being able to kill himself, he was visited by Christian (MIB?) and as he detonated the bomb on the ship, he told Michael that he could go now. Not sure how this translates to now, but found it worth remembering...
I totally forgot that Michael blew up the freighter! and that convo between Ben and his dad caught me also. Been trying to think of what happened, but Desmond didn't make it to the island (shown on the plane with Jack), and none of the other Oceanic people make it to the island. If Ben leaves with his dad that means Dharma was still there fighting with the 'Others'
I thought up to last nights episode Terry O'Quinn was a lock for an Emmy but after Micheal Emerson's performance last night it could very well be a two horse race, wow, what acting last night by him. It was just simply amazing.