Why can't Brian Hartline be a "number one" receiver?

On that note, I hope we don't structure our 2010 draft strategy around the emergence of Chris Clemons, John Nalbone, or even J.D. Folsom for that matter either.

 

He's too slow. Reminds me or Marty Booker. Great hands and routes. Slow as all hell. #2 for life.

 

Its cheaper from a risk vs. reward standpoint, especially in the context of 2nd or 3rd round picks which appear to be considered later round picks at least in this context.

 

Uhh, there is a debate if you were paying attention. And the reality is, unless we are running with a fairly ridiculous definition of what a #1 WR is, guys less physically talented than Hartline.

 

Generic USC rookie vs. Generic Monmoth rookie? Maybe not. Patrick Turner, who everyone and there mother should have been under no illusions about having been raw coming out of college?

Do I really need to through a list of guys like Vincent Jackson, Robert Mechem, etc. who didn't see the field or barely did as a rookie?

 

here are the facts once again:

not fast enough to be a #1 WR?

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=8112
The ever-popular 40-yard dash time was clocked at 4.52. Three one-hundredths of a second behind Robiskie. In line with Jekins. But his finish in the other drills may surprise you even more.
Hartline finished tops among all wide receivers with a 10.92 in the 60-yard shuttle. In the three cone drill, he finished second among his position with a time of 6.65, while taking home fourth place in the 20-yard shuttle (4.12). Robiskie was fifth and eighth respectively, while not having an official time in the 60-yard shuttle. For comparison purposes, Georgia’s Knowshon Moreno clocked in at 11.63.
Being just a hair over 6′2″, and weighing 195 pounds, it appears that Hartline is hoping to be the next Wes Welker.
”I think that’s probably a main asset if you’re going to draft myself,” he said. ”There’s probably not a ton of slot receivers you can think of off the top of your head. I’m sure there’s some desire out there for a certain guy, whether it’s me or somebody else.”
I won’t delve in to the fact Hartline essentially said that he could be a team’s target, unless they’re targeting someone else. However, what he does have going for him is the fact that the majority of fans are counting him out as a professional football player. He’ll need to build off of these strong performances at the combine and look to continue his progression at Ohio State’s pro day in a few weeks.

The ever-popular 40-yard dash time was clocked at 4.52. Three one-hundredths of a second behind Robiskie. In line with Jekins. But his finish in the other drills may surprise you even more.
Hartline finished tops among all wide receivers with a 10.92 in the 60-yard shuttle. In the three cone drill, he finished second among his position with a time of 6.65, while taking home fourth place in the 20-yard shuttle (4.12). Robiskie was fifth and eighth respectively, while not having an official time in the 60-yard shuttle. For comparison purposes, Georgia’s Knowshon Moreno clocked in at 11.63.
????: ThePHINS.com - Miami Dolphins Forums http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?p=1070155
Being just a hair over 6′2″, and weighing 195 pounds, it appears that Hartline is hoping to be the next Wes Welker.
”I think that’s probably a main asset if you’re going to draft myself,” he said. ”There’s probably not a ton of slot receivers you can think of off the top of your head. I’m sure there’s some desire out there for a certain guy, whether it’s me or somebody else.”
I won’t delve in to the fact Hartline essentially said that he could be a team’s target, unless they’re targeting someone else. However, what he does have going for him is the fact that the majority of fans are counting him out as a professional football player. He’ll need to build off of these strong performances at the combine and look to continue his progression at Ohio State’s pro day in a few weeks.

P.S. He ran track in High School for four years & played QB before converting to WR. think about it, all the intangibles...
& he's fast enough
Brian Hartline

 

If by ridicuolous you mean high standards and game breaking talent at your #1 WR spot so be it, I'm being ridiculous.

Sure Hartline, Bess, Camarillo all could be a #1 WR.
All it takes is putting the label on em on the depth chart.

Show me a team that's satisfied with that at their #1 WR spot and I'll show you a team with a bad GM in my opinion. I'll hope for my "ridiculous" standards.

 

Sure, it probably won't happen. I'm not suggesting contrary. I'm saying that treating Turner as an effort doomed from the beginning is ridiculous. His individual negative traits aren't particularly rare or futile to deal with, hence the redacted Brandon Marshall draft bio I linked earlier you ignored. Its near identical to Turners.

A special teams contribution isn't going to make it more likely for him to gain any specific developmental advantage. Him landing on the active roster for ST doesn't make him more likely to gain snaps, that's linked specifically to what is done in practice. Hence Austin not actually getting snaps as a wr his rookie year.

 

we have the PlayMaker
& #1 WR in the making
Brian Hartline is the RealDeal
& will make his bones in 2010

 

I never said a word about his work ethic one way or the other so not sure where you come off saying I am making stuff up? I remembered that picture from a post here a couple weeks ago while reading your post and couldn't resist reposting it is all

If you want my opinion I could care less about his work ethic, He's still gonna suck no matter how hard he works.

 

And again, stories like Marshall are the exception, not the norm. I simply don't want to count on Turner, Hartline, or Ginn to turn into what we need when we've got the possibility of drafting just that player staring us in the face. And if one of those three currently on our roster turn into big-time players, so much the better!

Contributing on STs makes it more likely he'll stick to the roster in the first place, though. Particularly with this coach and GM.

Bottom line, Turner needs to show something. If he shows something on STs, it buys him a little time to show something at WR. If he continues to show nothing at WR, then sayonara.

 

I really like him and could see him being a VERY solid #2 but a true #1 is stretching it a bit. A #1 has to be able to stretch the field with his speed or playmaking ability. He doesn't necessarily have to be the fastest guy but he does need to be able to consistently threaten the backfield with playmaking ability. IMHO the #1 should always worry the opposition and at least regularly require double coverage.

 

then we agree because he has play-making ability & can stretch the field
all he needs is the opportunity to play & he will take off like a rocket in 2010

and, of course, someone has to throw him the ball to him