WRs don't make great draft investments

I don't think that ILB itself is a limited impact position, however I do feel like spending an early round pick on your #2 ILB is going to give you a very limited impact.

 

this!

we have to fix the defense. Building up a high powered offense before being able to stop someone does nothing but create shootouts

most of us witnessed the Marino years

 

Let me break it down for you...real simple

OUR OFFENSE WAS RATED #15 in points scored
OUR DEFENSE WAS RATED #25 in points allowed
Can we agree 25th is worse than 15th

Can we agree that this defense allowed 390 points
3rd worse for the Dolphins in 40 years

This defense needs HELP

 

IMO It's much easier to find defensive starters in the mid rounds than offensive starters.

Also a lot of those issues can be corrected via a better scheme.

 

All the scheme's in the world won't do anything if you don't have good players. I have to disagree with that quote. You can hide deficiencies for a while, but good teams (and coaches) find them.

 

Thing is, I think for the most part we do have "good" players. Not great, but good. Aside from OLB depth.

 

I would say OLBer starters, we have nothing proven at that position. And I don't think JT is coming back.

We are short a NT and short a Safety and a nickleback.

 

Just to clear this up, I want to draft Earl Thomas. He is #1 on my board. Hell even if Berry is there, I might consider Thomas the better long term FS prospect. Watched every single game of his this year, and he is flat out impressive.

I think Wake is good enough to start at OLB in the right scheme. Paul Solaia is my definition of a guy who is becoming a "good" player. However I do think we could use some depth there.

ILB, I think everyone will be surprised how much better Crowder is with Dansby next to him.

Then you have our corners...Will Allen is back, that gives us three very capable corners. Not sure what else you want there.

OLB is a need as I said, however I'll probably puke if we pick Kindle, and I don't honestly like the early round prospects in this draft any more than the 3rd/4th round guys.

 

Ginn has dropped balls every year this past year it was worse and more costly but he's always dropped the ball at least some.

 

They will improve, but not enough for Henne to take the next leap. He needs an elite receiver.

 

Jesus Christ.

I said he won't get MUCH better. He will improve, but not by much. With Dez Bryant, his numbers will sky rocket.

 

henne will be better when he is on the field all day
henning gets too damn cute

OC phases out and gets clueless at times
just another issue that doesn't get discussed much here

 

Maybe hes getting cute to cover up the fact teams stack the box and play the short range pass against us because we don't have the WR or TE threat we need?

 

Bess is what he is - I find it hard to say he hasnt reached his talent ceiling. Hes an excellent shorter yardage guy. As a second or third option he can potentially outmatch most nickle/dime backs, as can Hartline imo. Put these guys up against the Revis/Cromartie combo (and Im not a cromartie fan)? Thats not a good matchup for us.

Taking a 2 down linebacker instead of a top caliber wideout? Ok man.

As for next year, yeah sure lets wait till next year! Oops, all are gone before we pick at #16. What then?

 

WRs are a risky pick mostly b/c people don't know how to evaluate them. Too many focus on size/speed ratios (potential) and ignore or minimize hands and ability to separate. Those last two are the skills that will translate. You get those two in a size/speed package with the desire to work hard and you have a superstar.

If, however, you're missing hands or separation ability then the odds are the WR will bust. If more teams followed that philosophy the bust rate would be far more favorable.

So, why do teams keep taking WRs? (Since 2000 it is the most commonly taken 1st round position). B/c they are important. The Universal draft guys posted a stat in Sun-sentinel piece that showed that the 17 teams that had #1 WRs won an average of 10-11 games compared to the teams that didn't have those (6 wins).

Every correlation study done in the last five years shows that offensive passing efficiency (not passing yards) is most correlated with wins.

The most common positions that SB winners have pro bowl players at is QB, LT, WR, and S.

The fact that WRs have a huge impact is really unassailable. To state or even imply that a 2nd ILB will have as much impact is pure ignorance.

Now it is a matter of opinion to believe that Hartline or Turner are superstars to be. But it is a fact that one of the most impactful (on their won/loss record) things any team with a poor passing game can do is improve that passing game.

 

so when henning dials up a halfback pass at the goal line it is beacause we lack a WR or TE? Or when he inserts Pat White into the game who is a QB who can't play QB it is because we are lacking a WR or TE? Doesn't having White in the there put your passing game further behind the eight ball.
As far as the Wildcat package that was put in to create mismatches in the running game not because we lacked a playmaker in the passing game. Everyone knows that so your post makes no sense. Regardless of playmaking WR's or TE henning fuzzes out and makes cute play calls at ridiculous times. If you people can't see that you are blind.

 

All this makes me scratch my head and ask "why not work a deal for Marshall (a known commodity)?" I would much rather have him than Bryant given the risk of wr's drafted that high to fail.

 

Yes, everyone who disagrees with you has a thick skull and is blind.
Perhaps these people have gotten under your skin? how about just continue your reasoning without the insults?

 

are you a mod?

okay then dad thanks

 

I do not agree with that either.

 

Who is the two down linebacker you speak of?

Rolando McClain is a complete linebacker who is the best stack and shed linebacker in the draft and also has the best instincts of any other linebacker in this draft.

 

Yeah, because wide receivers make that much of an impact.

Give me a freaking break!

Wide receivers have very minimal impact in the passing game. It's almost all the quarterback.

 

You do need your WR to do a little something though, run a crisp route, create seperation, you know everything our number 9 cant do....

 

And I disagree with you.

 

That is very obvious.

 

Quaterbacks do have alot to do with the success of a WR. But when you have our receiving corps, you need an upgrade. You can't go into this season relying on Ginn as your number one receiver again.

 

Is it.

 

So Keith, let me c if I am looking at this your way...

In 2008, our Passing game was a LOT BETTER, with Penny and that is why our Receivers had a better year...

In 2009, in our 1st three games with Penny was averaging 2 yards less than Penny did in 2008... this after a Season and and Off Season playing with the boys...

We all know what Season Henne had not worth going over it in details except that he averaged 6.4 YPA... after being forced into the line up...

So the bad passing year they (Penny and Henne) had, was because they QB's) had a less than average performance???

Did I get it right???

If not, how much is "Almost All QB???

Like you, I am also trying to analyze the performance on this team...

 

If you agreed with me, that would mean you would be agreeing with my disagreeing with you. That would mean that you are schizophrenic and since you have yet told me that you are my God, I am assuming that you are not.

 

Unless you believe that David Martin was the reason that Miami's passing offense got worse, then yes. It was almost all QB for Miami the last two years.

Pennington in 2008 had an amazing season where he played really well. In the beginning of 2009, he didn't play as well. Especially against the Falcons.

 

I sincerely hope I'm not the only one growing tired of this guy's act.

 

I would credit the quarterback with 90% of the production in the passing game.

 

If you look at his YPA (6.1), and completion % (72%) he had his best game against the Falcons...

Against Indi he was 5.6 YPA, 67% comp...
And against SD he was 4.5 YPA, 67% comp...

DDP, what about Henne, you failed to disclose your input on his performance...

 

You want to put your QB in the best possible situation to succeed. Drafting Dez Bryant helps Henne along with Bess, Hartline, Ginn, and Camarillo.

 

and a good Defense, which keeps him from being 14 points under in his 2nd-3rd possession...

 

I look at moving the offense and he had much better games against the Colts and Chargers.

I thought Henne played well, he was a first year starter.

 

Our defense already had an upgrade with Karlos Dansby. Add that with the addition of Mike Nolan and the progression of our corners, and our defense is upgraded.

I won't, however, be dissapointed if we go all defense in this draft. Basically, I'll agree to whatever Jeff Ireland does.