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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Samphin

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    I didn't see either show, but Randy Orton cannot lose right now. From what I read and what I heard from someone who watched the show was that Randy is popping the crowd like no one's business. He is Stone Cold at this point. From what I read, the spot where he tried to RKO Cena, who then blocked it so he RKO'd Swagger instead sounds pretty neat to be honest. And the match itself was pretty good from what I read. So while Swagger could have used a win, Orton is so hot right now that you simply CAN'T book him to lose right now.

    What they should have done is simply book Swagger against someone else, but whatever. Swagger is good enough on the mic that he can show up on Smackdown and just lie about how he beat Orton or something.

    Also, Kofi I think, is destined for Smackdown! when the draft happens on April 26. I also think Christian should transfer over as well, since it is clear he will be nothing more than a name for the young guys to go over on Raw.

    Sounds like the Anderson-Angle ladder match was pretty darn good. And Flair in the wheelchair has been entertaining for the duration of him doing it. Impact sounded like a scattershot show though. Good wrestling but everything else just seemed...off, and the main event angle was terrible.

    Back to the draft...who do you have going where? April 26th is the draft day for WWE.
     
  2. Ray Finkle

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    You're absolutely right with Orton. What I said was in the heat of the moment just reading the recap. Orton simply is too hot right now and can't lose. They need to start building him up for a Summer Slam match against either Cena, Edge or Jericho. Swagger should beat someone like a Rey Mysterio or something to give him soem crediblity.

    As for the draft RAW has zero main event heels so that should be the main focus. I'd probably move Jericho, CM Punk, McIntye and John Morrison to RAW. While moving Sheamus, Kofi, Ted DiBiase, Cody Rhodes, Hornswoggle and Mark Henry to Smackdown. I'd love to move a face Triple H to Smackdown (and slowly build a heel Triple H vs. Undertaker match for WM27)and a heel Edge to RAW but I'm sure Triple H wouldn't agree to move back. I think the WWE should also turn Morrison and MVP heels again since their characters work better that way.
     
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  3. Samphin

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    The rules seem to change every year on how they do the draft, but I would assume that at least five picks per side will be switching places. So I would do the following:

    Raw Gets:
    Chris Jericho-Main event heel and a ton of storylines that can be played out (ShowMiz, Cena Again, Orton Again, HHH, etc.)

    Batista-Officially he is still a Smackdown! talent, so might as well make it official

    Mike Knox-I like him as a talented big man. He doesn't have to talk to get over and can be used to help some of the younger guys on Raw get over

    Tyson Kidd/David Hart Smith/Natalya-Bring the Hart Dynasty to Raw and have them exposed to a live show and a larger audience

    Smackdown! Gets:

    Cody Rhodes-He is still young and green. He will have to form his own identity and with his brother already on Smackdown, they have a couple of storylines they could do between those two if nothing else.

    Evan Bourne-He is doing nothing on Raw and SD has always featured wrestling a little bit more. Wrestlers like Ziggler, Mysterio, McIntyre and a few others can have good matches with Evan.

    Kofi Kingston-In desperate need of a change. He is a name at this point and would immediately fit in towards the upper part of the SD card (with Edge, Punk, Swagger, etc.)

    Christian-He seems like a natural to move over and work with Edge, Swagger and others. On Raw he will never get a fair shake. On Smackdown, I think he flourishes

    MVP-I like him better as a heel as well and Mark Henry for that matter too. Either one needs to go over to SD and go heel. Heck, send them both over as a tag team still and turn them both.

    I like the idea of keeping Edge on SD, especially since UT seems to be a part time player at this point. Also, Punk's group needs to stay together and continue the momentum he has on SD. He will be neutered on Raw, so keep him on SD. A Summer fued of Punk and Christian/Edge whoever would be fantastic.

    I also like Sheamus staying on Raw. He is playing with the big boys right now with HHH and I think he can turn that into another top fued with someone like Orton (I never felt like their "fued" was fully vetted). I also keep Orton, HHH, Cena on the same show since they are the top stars on the top show.

    I imagine a lot of the younger and lesser used talents will switch around as well (Tastu, Wang Yang, Chavo, Carlito, Primo, etc.), but nothing that will be worth noting, since they will be lost in the shuffle still. I won't be surprised to see some divas change brands and some releases will happen too.
     
  4. Ray Finkle

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    I wouldn't mind if your draft was actually played out. I think we both agree that Jericho is needed big time on RAW. I didn't include Batista since he's taking a few months off to film a movie, but him going to RAW would make sense especially since he's actually a pretty decent heel. I toyed with the Harts moving to RAW but I think they'd just be wasted or turned into jobbers there, I think they have a better shot with the Smackdown crew. I think you're right about moving MVP to Smackdown with a fresh start as a heel, as he could seemingly be doing the same things The Miz is doing on RAW. I could also see DiBiase filling that role too.

    I think there are 3 guys that must absolutely be moved no matter what and they are Kofi, Jericho and Cody Rhodes.

    I just have a bad feeling the WWE is going to do something stupid with the draft and move someone hot like The Miz to Smackdown or the draft will be a dud with guys like Carlito, Hardy and Ziggler being moved instead of some main event guys.

    Also the draft would be a perfect time to end the RAW Guest Hosts and name an every week GM.
     
  5. Samphin

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    I really liked the idea of having Tiffany from ECW become the RAW GM, but I am not sure if she has the gravitas to pull it off or not. I REALLY liked when Regal was the GM way back before he got nailed for PED's. I thought he had a good balance of heel/face in how he handled the role, which is really what you need I think. I wouldn't mind seeing him take over that role again.

    Dibiase carrying his father's belt on Monday is intriguing. I think it may lead to him having a personality of sorts, even if it is just ripping off his father verbatim.

    I forgot about Batista leaving to film a movie...which I think pretty much puts the conclusion of his Extreme Rules match a foregone conclusion. Have him get knocked out and disappear for awhile.

    I tend to agree about the Harts as well, but they don't seem to be getting a fair shake on Smackdown right now, so why not try them on Raw I guess is my thought process.

    If Miz goes to SD!, then you can pretty much pencil in McIntyre to Raw as they are holding the secondary belts on their respective shows.

    On a sidenote, The WWE kills me in how they completely ignore tag team wrestling. I know they don't hold it in the same esteem as any of us, but they have the ability to have just a totally kickass division if they wanted to. ShowMiz, Hart Dynasty, The Colons, and a bunch of other combos that could put together with some of the lesser used talent to make for an interesting tag division and give these guys something to do. Shelton Benjamin, Chavo, Evan Bourne, Matt Hardy, MVP, Tatsu, Wang Yang, etc. can be paired up logically to give the division a boost.

    I think I would love to see ShowMiz breakup somehow, the tag titles held up and a tournament announced to crown new champs. Hell, you could even have both members of ShowMiz pick a new partner to try and capture their own titles back.

    And am I the only one who would love to see a European faction led by Regal that had McIntyre, Sheamus, and Katie Lea Burchil as their valet? Maybe even throw Finlay or Kozlov in there and you have a nice little mid-card faction that can compete for tag titles, secondary titles, and be used as hired muscle to help boost main event storylines.
     
  6. Ray Finkle

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    It actually wouldn't be a horrible idea for DiBiase to rip off his dad's gimmick. WWE has tried that gimmick a few times in the past (Tiger Ali and JBL), might as well let DiBiase run with it. It would certainly give him some extra heat. DiBiase would have to go all out and have a 'bodyguard', that was a big key for Ted, Sr. and the gimmick.

    You and I think alike when it comes to the tag team division. It bothers the hell out of me too that they completely ignore it. I feel that the best way to break in younger guys is to throw them into a tag team together and let them learn how to work, that way it hides any limitations they may have early on so they don't get exposed as being too green while giving them valueble TV time and experience. Plus if the team starts to really get over you have them split up and both guys are already established. But in order to do that the WWE needs to be committed to it and not just give it the Miz/Morrison treatment where they start to get over and they break up without any blow off feud.

    I too liked Regal as GM. I think any GM has to be able to play off as a good tweener which Regal obviously did well. Plus the way he carried himself helped in that role too without being over the top that distracted the viewer or took away from any wrestlers he was involved in. I honestly have no idea who I'd pick.
     
  7. Samphin

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    Yeah, we are pretty much in agreement I think. I wish the Hooliganz were still around. Kendrick and London were such a good tag team. Its a shame they couldn't keep their mouths shut or their drug habits under control. They cost themselves a ton of money in my opinion.

    Rumor has it that Homicide has asked for his release from TNA. Also, Tommy Dreamer's no compete clause is up later this week...so perhaps he shows up in two weeks when Impact is live again...?
     
  8. charlestonphan

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    Sam, you menti0oned Knox, who i like too as a big man, but really didn't know was still on the roster. if nothing else, the guy would be a good addition to Punk's crew.

    they need to do something with the guy. reminds me alot of Bruiser Brody.
     
  9. Samphin

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    The only issue with Knox being in Punk's crew is that his hair is a big prt of his look and Punk already has a big "enforcer" type in Gallows. I wouldn't mind seeing him be the second to someone. Maybe like Chris Jericho cuts a promo about being sneak attcked by Edge, ripped off of his title by Swagger and outcasted by the entire roster. Basically cut a holier than thou, paranoia type promo and go on to say that he has hired some muscle to watch his back, but doesn't reveal who it is at that time.

    Then later, during a match when Jericho is in trouble, he distracts the ref, Knox comes out and DESTROYS his opponent, revealing himself to be Jericho's hired hand. From there on, Jericho can skirt around challenges by having Knox take his place, tag with him on occasion and have him ringside if and when he actually DOES have to wrestle.

    Of course...Wade Barrett is sort of doing that already on NXT...
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think he could have been as big as a star as Matt Hardy or any other mid carder.
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    Matt Hardy back in the day when he was a part of the Hardys up until his feud with Edge was pretty over with the crowd and was a pretty good worker. Hardy was also a good looking guy so the female wrestlers loved him which helped move merchandise. Hardy was actually a pretty big star in the late 90s and early 2000s. Kanyon never really had the look Hardy had nor his personality. It made him tough for the fans to relate too. Also as good as Kanyon was in the ring he was always blocked by guys that had a bigger future and were better workers. In WCW & WWF he was with Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Raven, Booker T., Angle, Edge, Christian, the Hardys, RVD, etc. He was actually lucky he got as big of a break as he did. Don't get me wrong Kanyon did have a pretty good career and most guys would have killed to have had but like Samphin said not everyone in the business is going to be a star.
     
  12. Ray Finkle

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    Weekly ratings:

    RAW- 3.15
    TNA- .86

    Don't forget both shows were up against the NCAA Championship and MLB opening day.

    Also the WWE announced that the June 7th edition of RAW will be a 3 hour show.
     
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  13. Samphin

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    Looks like Raw's audience has more of a crossover with baseball/college basketball, than TNA. Whihc makes sense since its a larger audience overall.

    Impact's rating actually went UP from last week. But keep in mind that the y started an hour earlier to avoid going head to head with Raw throughout. The Knockouts segments were, once again, the top rated segments.

    Alarming is that the lowest segment once again featured AJ Styles. Which means that he has been in th elowest rated quarter hour a few times now. Not good when your world champ makes people turn the channel. Also The Pope and Desmond Wolfe were in that segment too, which concerns me as I enjoy all three of those workers. Hopefully it is an anomoly, but I doubt it.
     
  14. TheAnswer385

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  15. Samphin

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    Translation = we jumped the gun and realize that we cannpt go straight up with Raw until we have a larger base audience...our bad.
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    Interesting that Orton is going to face Swagger at the next PPV instead of the rumored Triple Threat match with Jericho and Edge. You'd have to think Orton will win the title here which means either he or Cena would have to move to Smackdown in the draft. I still think Jericho should never have lost the belt and he and Orton started a feud with the blow off match at Summer Slam.
     
  17. Samphin

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    Not sure why, but I feel like Swagger will somehow retain. Although the smart money is them taking the pulse of the audience and hotshotting the belt back to Orton. And yes, I assume Orton is heading to Smackdown!...which is heading to SyFy in October...and thus, ending NXT which I liked a lot.

    Not sure why they gave Swagger the belt if he is just to lose it to Orton. I suppose he could be a transitional champion and a way to protect Jericho from losing outright to Orton, but that theory is bunk when you realize that Jericho loses to everybody and is teflon.

    Logically, I am confused as to why a Raw guest host can book a Smackdown! heavyweight championship match, but whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if Teddy Long calls BS and inputs Edge/Jericho into the match to make it a four way street fight...which would be interesting.

    Great show last night by the way. The crowd was...odd, but it is a european crowd so I chalk it up to that. But overall, I thought the quality was pretty good and I actually got a chuckle out of the Baywatch scene.
     
  18. Ray Finkle

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    Good call with that. That's exactly what should happen with the title match, that way Swagger can score a cheap victory over Jericho or Edge and Orton can still keep his hot streak going. Of course they can always do a Honky Tonk ending where Swagger gets himself DQed on purpose to retain the title.
     
  19. Samphin

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    The problem with that, of course, is that its at a PPV called, "Extreme Rules," which, pretty much renders DQ's irrelevant. Although I wouldn't put it past the WWE to offer up a DQ stip at an event where there isn't supposed to be any.

    But your first point is actually pretty spot on. You can have Orton run roughshod and RKO Jericho, have Edge spear Orton through a table propped in the corner, taking out both of them and Swagger pin Jericho to walk away the champ, boasting he beat three former champs in one night, etc.

    Although, I like the idea of having Swagger end it with his own finisher, so maybe have Orton RKO both Edge AND Jericho, Swagger nails Orton with the belt and throws him out of the ring, Doctorbombs Jericho or Edge and pins them.

    Then you can have him celebrate with his title, with the frame tight on him. He turns around, and ORton nails him with the RKO.

    Then on Raw, Swagger boasts about how he beat three former world champions in one night, and maybe Orton nailed him with an RKO after the match, and he has gotten the best of Swagger one on one...but Orton is on Raw while Swagger is on SD!, so he doesn't have to worry about him any longer.

    First draft pick is revealed for Smackdown...and it is Randy Orton...

    Contrived? Yes
    But it would make for great tv
     
  20. Samphin

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    Also, something I should point out...I REALLY liked the Kofi-Sheamus match and am going to lift an idea I saw somewhere else. Kofi's beatdown was severe enough to realistically keep him off tv for a few weeks. HHH is reportedly suffering from some neck/back problems (hence why he wasn't on Monday's Raw).

    I would have have Sheamus DEMOLISH HHH at the PPV. I'm talking steal his sledgehammer nail him in the back, crack him in the neck with a lead pipe and just annihilate HHH. It would get Sheamus over huge as a monster and give HHH a reason to stay off tv for a bit (to rest up, freshen up his character, etc.)

    The next night on Raw, you have Sheamus boast about ending HHH's career and that everyone he faces...he hurts. He then offers an open challenge to anyone and everyone in the back. Kofi's music hits. Sheamus smiles as he looks towards the ramp, waiting for Kofi to come out. Kofi, instead, attacks through the crowd and just mollywhops Sheamus, who gets a few shots in himself, but ultimately gets laid out with Kofi's finisher.

    Kofi then does his double leg legdrop onto a chair further hurting Sheamus. Those two can then feud for a month or two until HHH returns at Summerslam to get his revenge or possibly align himself with Sheamus and going heel.
     
  21. Samphin

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    Ratings:
    Raw = 3.2
    Impact = 0.8

    Sort of a low Raw this week which is odd considering they didn't seem to have much of a sports competitor on Monday. It has to be somewhat encouraging for TNA that they held their audience from last week on a taped show. Technically it was down 10%, but that is nominal and easily excused away. If they can trend upward next week for a live show coming off of a PPV, the company should be happy.

    The really good news is that the ratings actually IMPROVED with AJ Styles in the final quarter hour and the tow minute overrun was the highest rated portion of the show with a .97.

    Not much, but it bodes better for AJ than the previous shows where he was consistantly the lowest rated segment.

    Now quarter hour breakdown for Raw yet.
     
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  22. Ray Finkle

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    Or he just didn't want to take the 8 plus hour plane ride (although he might have been there I have no idea).

    I wonder if RAW was low this week because it was taped and the results came in before it aired.
     
  23. Samphin

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    Its possible, but it was taped that day, whereas Impact was taped last week and still maintained its audience.

    As for HHH, I have zero doubts that he most likely did not want to make the jump across the pond, especially if he is actually injured. I don't read house show results, so I have no idea if he made the trip or not.

    I do know that Ezekiel Jackson blew out a quad and will be out for awhile. No big loss there, but noteworthy I suppose.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    The RAW roster is stuck in Europe right now and might not be able to do RAW on Monday. The Smackdown crew landed in the US a few hours ago so they might appear on RAW on Monday and the RAW crew if they can get back to the US would do Smackdown. Should be interesting to see what's going to happen.
     
  25. Jt0323

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    not gonna lie, that could be awesome if done right!
     
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  26. Big E

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    Do like a takeover story or something.
     
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  27. Ray Finkle

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    Well I think they would need someone like Jericho to come out and start the program saying how the RAW crew is stuck in Europe but that's ok because the Smackdown crew is better anyway and the people here tonight are lucky that the SD brand is taking over. And basically run down the RAW brand. Maybe have some RAW guys who are in the US, then come out and challenge some SD guys to matches. This way it creates a little feud for that night that could carry over into the draft.

    It definitely has potential to be interesting if done right.
     
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  28. Ray Finkle

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    Some Monday news:

    Pretty much every major RAW talent is still stuck in European except Triple H, who didn't make the trip. The SD crew is officially taking over tonight and the Undertaker will make an appearance.

    Also word is going around is that Batista has been replaced by Triple H in the lead role of the movie he was suppose to star in and is extremely upset by it. His WWE contract ends in a few months so there's talk that he might not resign with them now.
     
  29. TheAnswer385

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    that sucks because he was probably the best thing on raw since his heel turn.


    O well, I will get so see some CM Punk tonight, which is a good thing.
     
  30. TheAnswer385

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    I dont know about WWE yet but TNA had a solid show...RVD for the win(and belt) against AJ Styles. Over celebrated though, like he overcame so much or something.
     
  31. Ray Finkle

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    Eh, Batista is easily replaceable, while I agree his heel stuff recently has been pretty good let's not forget that he's always hurt and is either 40 now or will be soon. That's not someone you build a company around now.

    Punk's promo tonight with Triple H was very good. I think it's time the WWE finally gives Punk a run as champion. They need to really start to build around their core of Punk and Orton now and give them the titles on different brands and let them run with it.

    Plus I think it's time the WWE lets Edge slack off on the Wellness Policy for a few months, the guy looks like crap right now.

    EDIT: Of course Triple H beats Punk, I mean he really needed that win to stay strong right?
     
  32. TheAnswer385

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    I think they just wanted to send the fans home happy because they paid their money and didn't get their Cena and Orton.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    I guess you're probably right. They could have done a dark match after RAW finished airing (which they almost always do) and done a quick one on one match though to send the fans home happy.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    Monday ratings:

    TNA- 1.0
    RAW- 3.05 (lowest rating since 12/8/08)

    The WWE can't be happy with those numbers.
     
  35. TheAnswer385

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    good for TNA, they had a really good show.
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    Just read the Smackdown spoilers (so stop reading if you don't want to read a semi-small match result...................) Ok anyway John Morrison beats Jack Swagger in a one on one non title match. As a big Morrison fan I'm glad he finally got a big win but how could the WWE keep jobbing Swagger like this? The guy isn't going to have any credibility now and even less than Sheamus did when he was the champ. Ok it's obvious Swagger wasn't ready when he won the title but at least give him a couple of cheating wins, I mean this is the exact thing they did wrong with Sheamus only a few months ago.

    I think he'll retain the title this Sunday somehow and will set up a fatal four way match with Orton, Jericho and Edge at the next PPV which I believe is being called Fatal Four Way where he'll drop the title to hopefully Jericho to set up a Jericho/Orton summer feud which would be great in my opinion.
     
  37. TheAnswer385

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    sounds like a cheap way to change titles like they can do in the elimination chamber.
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    WWE released 6 wrestlers/divas today:

    WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Divas Mickie James and Katie Lea Burchill as well as Superstars Shelton Benjamin, Kung Fu Naki, Slam Master J and Jimmy Wang Yang as of today, April 22, 2010. We wish them the best in all future endeavors.

    I'm kind of surprised they dumped Mickie James and Shelton Benjamin. I'm sure both will be with TNA asap. Hopefully Shelton gets a fresh start as the guy can definitely work. Maybe they'll team him up with Angle again.
     
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  39. TheAnswer385

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    WWE cut 6 wrestlers today

    -Mickie James tna bound IMO

    -Shelton Benjamin tna bound IMO

    -Kung Fu Naki

    -Jimmy Wang Yang

    -Slam Master J

    -Katie Lea Burchill
     
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  40. TheAnswer385

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    wow, right before i posted
     
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