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Who is the odd man out?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by gofins, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    not true
    Patrick Turner was active for two games. Sparano has said it was his fault for not at least giving him a look
    Why do it if you don't plan to at least let him get out there for a few plays at WR.
    We did see him out there on ST's.
     
  2. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    I hope they give Turner another season or two to show what he is capable of. He is 6'5" and would be a great red zone receiver. He is only 22 years old and I would hate to see them give up on him after his rookie season and he ends up going somewhere else and developing into something special.
     
  3. bluehaze

    bluehaze New Member

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    Don't think anyone has seen enough of Turner to say he's the odd man out but out of the recievers we have seen plenty of I think the obvious choice is Ginn. The choice between Ginn and Turner is going to have to come down to the coaches and GM/Parcells that are alot more knowledgable on his development than we are.
     
  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Can't wait til we cut/trade ginn and don't have a single player who can outrun any CB in the league outside of marshall.
     
  5. JDelenne

    JDelenne Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As much as I hate Ted Ginn .... I don't want to see him go this season. This is his opportunity to shine with Bmarsh on the other side. Just send him down the sideline every play he'll catch some TD's.

    With that being said I don't think any of the players should be cut.
    If anything I think Bess, Cam, Hartline, Ginn should stay and Pat be placed on the PS. But I think we all know he will probably be poached from there pretty quickly.
     
  6. late again

    late again Senior Member

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  7. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Marshall is not a burner...he can out hustle CBs and Ss, but he can't outrun too many of them...
     
  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    We have two redundant WRs on our roster now...Camarillo and Turner. Marshall makes a big, possession red zone target redundant and Hartline makes Camarillo redundant. Maybe turning Pat White into a slash player makes the most sense here. Marshall, Ginn, Bess, Hartline and White
     
  9. JDelenne

    JDelenne Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If we give up Cam and keep White i'll probably throw up.
     
  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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  11. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I think we trade Ginn, cut or practice-squad Turner and wind up drafting/signing another WR at some point.
     
  12. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    That's a possibility......doubt they explore it tho. And it's too bad..

    Otherwise, trading Camarillo is a gamble. The guy is money, we need more players that are money, not less
     
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  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    it allows you to put White in to a wildcat package off a base formation set and frees you up to have Thigpen as the number 2 QB. White as the #5 gives you many more options in the wildcat.
     
  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i like camarillo but how many of those guys do you carry? I do agree that he isnt the first choice to cut, I think thats Turner now
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Exactly! And, which receivers compliment BMarsh better? IMO, having Bess lined up across from Brandon would be like Brandon and Brandon's mini me. Bess's skill set or what he does for the offense, is BM lite. He is the guy Henne looked for on 3rd down to make the clutch grab and move the chains. That role should be filled mainly by Marshall now. IMO, Bess may bring a 2nd round pick in a trade, if a team wants another Welker type. Ginn or Cam would probably bring a 5 at best. So if we want to arm up in this draft, Bess should conceivably bring the most ammo in a trade. BM would be best complimented as a receiver with either Hartline or Ginn across from him, or both in 3 WR sets.
     
  16. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    I'm with you on that. Having Marshall, IMO does not mean that guys like Camarillo are now a luxury.
    What it means to me is we can put 4 reliable WRs on the field at once if we want to go that route. Or if a guy like Hartline goes down with an injury we still have someone to step into his shoes.
     
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  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If Welker was worth a 2 and 7 a few yrs ago, then Bess should be worth at least that much. He's done more to this point, than Welker did through his 2nd season. Everyone here talks about who we could or should trade. Well it depends how much you want to get back. You trade value to receive value.
    Bess would bring a 3rd for sure or maybe a 2nd, depending on where in each round.
    Cam wouldn't IMO garner more than a 5, likely less, and neither would Ginn. I'd not part with Hartline at this point for less than a high 2. Turner isn't likely to bring a pick from anyone other than Carroll, and then maybe just a 6 or 7. Throw in Smiley, who would seem ideal for an Alex Gibbs OL, and the two combined may give us a 4 or 5.
    So what are ya going to be satisfied with as for draft picks we get in return?
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Welker doesn't have 4.4 speed any more than Bess does.
     
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  19. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    One option is getting knocked the #### out !! :lol:


    I remember watching camp last year and they had White fielding kicks, and he could not catch a cold. Catching a pass is different but one thing Camarillo can do is catch.

    It's surely worth it to take a look to see if White MIGHT have some promise there but I really doubt he can stick.
     
  20. FinFan316

    FinFan316 Banned

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    If this is true, then Welker plays incredibly faster and Bess plays incredibly slower. Welker is a big play waiting to happen. Bess is ONLY a sure handed WR...nothing big play about him. I am still not believing those 40 times esp since we've seen how much they vary from Pro Days to Combines, etc. Welker "seems, plays, whatever" far faster than Bess.
     
  21. FinFan316

    FinFan316 Banned

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    OK...whatever. Both are slot WRs, Welker avg'd a full yard more per reception than Bess. And I would argue that the Fins have a better running game than the Pats, so its not about "who plays for who".

    I am not degrading Bess. I think he is our solid #3 guy behind Marshall and Hartline. But his contribution to our team is what it is...it is not what Welker's is to the Pats.

    I think Brandon Marshall is going to open alot of passes for both of these kids....I think Hartline will catch 80 passes this year. Bess, probably 50. I know thats less than what he had last year, but Hartline is a bigger play guy. He avgs almost 17 YPC. Thats a great #2 WR.
     
  22. burger13

    burger13 New Member

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    and waiting and waiting....

    of all the WR's with 60+ receptions last year, Wes Welker had the lowest % of his receptions go for 20+ yards. (8 of 123, 6.5%)

    7.9% of Bess' receptions went for 20+ yards (6 of 76)

    they were the two lowest in the league....

    so it would be more accurate to say that Bess is like Welker with more big play ability. :wink2:
     
  23. SuperMarksBros.

    SuperMarksBros. Active Member

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    Welker has 4.4 speed? Is a big play waiting to happen? LOL

    Wes Welker is essentially New England's running game. Catches alot of screens, short in's, and other passes at or around the line of scrimmage. He is in no way a big player WR, they dont air it out to him, he doesnt get behind the defense. LOL internetz, serious business.
     
  24. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

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    The correct answer to this thread is Ginn :wink2:
     
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  25. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Thanks Caps...with all the activity today since the trade was announced I couldn't get to this thread. I was anxiously awaiting a good answer to the question of who the odd man out would be....LOLOLOLOL...
     
  26. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Move along people, nothing to see here.
     
  27. bluehaze

    bluehaze New Member

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    I guess the coaches feel Turner is a better prsopect than Ginn then! Yes I just replied to myself. probably because i'm giddy like a schoolegirl! Oh and maybe one too many bers :tongue2:

    Really lovn the moves the FO are makngi thoguh!
     
  28. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    For now Newman...for now....:shifty:
     
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  29. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    This is way to early to call.

    Welker is 3 years ahead of Bess and had 1 TD in his first three years.

    Very similar skillset.
     

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