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Mike Mayock, Drew Rosenhaus on WQAM

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Muck, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Phenomenal move by Miami. Tremendous fit.

    Felt Miami had to get somebody on offense at #12. Felt like they should have considered Spiller because the team simply needs explosive players on offense. Still wouldn't rule out Spiller, but Marshall was a huge pickup.

    Says Derrick Morgan fits Miami's profile at 3-4 rush LB best. Better going forwards than backwards, but won't be asked to do that much in Miami.

    Eric Berry and Dan Williams are the other guys he talked about for 12.

    Threw out Daniel Te’o-Nesheim (Washington) as 3rd/4th round guy with size they like and plays his tail off.

    Doesn't think Kindle has the size requirements we like at rush LB. Says he's probably fits better as an inside linebacker in our scheme.
     
  2. SuperMarksBros.

    SuperMarksBros. Active Member

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    Think we can get value at NT later(though I keep flip flopping on that one lol). Berry, McClain, or Thomas would make me very happy.
     
  3. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Drew Rosenhaus

    Drew will be at the Fountainbleau with Jason Pierre-Paul for a draft party Thursday night. Only in Miami :lol: He'll then will go to New York City and be live at the draft Friday night.

    Says the Marshall trade was an amazing move by the Dolphins. The kind of move everyone's been waiting for years for them to make.

    Gutsy move. Gives Miami a lot of credit. Spending a lot of money this offseason between Dansby and Marshall.

    "The Dolphins just pulled off a coupe'."

    The only way to get a deal done was to pay Marshall that kind of money. Deal wouldn't get done otherwise.

    Thinks the guaranteed money won't be guaranteed if Marshall gets in trouble. Says bank on the fact that Miami protected themselves here.

    Says the Santonio Holmes deal was mind-boggling steal. And the Marshall deal was a direct result of it.

    Says the Jets are not a fit that Jason Taylor is running to jump into. Says Ryan/Tannenbaum went all out and usually get their guy when they want him. So JT has indeed left that door open (return to Miami) and the Dolphins have to be in communication.

    Thinks the Jets are still the favorite to sign him, but Miami definitely has a shot since JT still hasn't signed.

    Earlier this morning, Brian Billick said JT to New York is a perfect fit (I'd have to agree).

    OT: Drew has been in those 'commissioner meetings' and thinks Roesthlisberger will be penalized like anyone else. Doesn't think he'll get off easy.
     
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  4. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    Kindle is an ILB?

    WTF?
     
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  5. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    i absolutely agree that there are only 2 choices that we would make at 12 if required ...

    Berry

    Morgan

    we 'can' plug Anderson or go for JT to plug the WOLB position for this year ... then you have the wildcard in Wake ... worst case Morgan could be Roth - with Wake as the pass rushing specialist ... and have Anderson and JT on the WOLB side ...

    to me the only other 2 fringe possibilities are Graham and Hughes at WOLB -- albeit, they don't meet the prototype ....

    i see almost no chance at Spiller ....

    Lane is a solid pick at OLB in rd 3 ... but the real problem is not having a pick in rd 2 for Allen or Burnett at S ... so -- if we try to move up ... without a doubt -- it will be for Berry !!
     
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  6. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    nice to hear about Kindle. I don't think he fits us either. Sounds like if Morgan is there, hes our guy. Interesting thoughts on spiller though.
     
  7. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    He was saying that in regards to what Miami looks for at rush linebacker. That Kindle doesn't have the size out there.

    He wasn't saying Kindle's an inside linebacker.
     
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  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I strongly disagree. Also, JT with the Jets would be a PR disaster for the team. The FO does not usually care much about PR however.
     
  9. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Yeah, I question that too. All the draftniks are touting Kindle as a DeMarcus Ware clone ?? I usually have admiration for what Mayock says, but this is off the mark to me. Even if he meant that in 'our' scheme he's a better fit as an ILB, I'd have to disagree...
     
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  10. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree that Morgan is a good fit. They are looking for a SOLB to play opposite Wake and either Anderson or Moses. This guy will be expected to set the edge and be able to drop into coverage on the TE. His pass rush will be secondary. Bringing in a guy who is poor in space isn't a great fit.

    IMO this pick (assuming it's at #12) will most likely be either E. Thomas or Brandon Graham. The other two wildcards are Spiller and McClain. They aren't as pressing needs, but I could see them just thinking those guys are too good to pass up.
     
  11. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    no way in the world has he ever looked that impressive. He seems like he can be a decent OLB in the league but i agree with Mayock saying he just isn't big enough for what we want.
     
  12. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Ok, that may have been generous, but they are saying that he is "DeMarcus Ware-like". Ware was considered a project of sorts when he came into the league. If they think this kid can add weight and strengthen his lower body, he might be like what Ware was considered when he came out....

    That said, I'm not a big fan of Kindle at all, but if Morgan is gone, Graham is probably the next closest thing to what this regime wants at OLB, but is #12 too early for him ?? I really think they want a front 7 guy with #12, but I don't think Williams is worthy of that pick....not too sure about Graham. I like guys like Hughes, but #12 is out of the question for him and we might still be in the running for a guy like Worlids in the third. Although NE may snap up those types of guys with their 47 second round draft choices....

    Thomas is regarded as the second best S, but is he really worth #12....that might be a little high for him, however there is no one of note behind him until the late 2nd and 3rd rounds... Would they take him to fill that hole.

    #12 is a bit of a quandary.... Personally I think RoMcLain is still in the running. He's worthy of #12 (he just might be the BPA when we pick). He's not a need, but could Crowder be moved out during the 2nd day of the draft for a pick (assuming they take McLain ??

    Another guy to look at is Spiller. Again, not a need (this year) but may be the BPA at that spot. They can not move Brown (via trade) because of the Lis Franc injury. There is no way he'll pass a physical this soon. So Spiller may not be the pick.

    In their heart of hearts, I'm sure a move down to the lower first and add'l pick/picks would be their preference unless someone unexpected falls. In the lower first, some guys will be available that fit the needs... We know that in every draft someone picks a guy way ahead of where he was projected (see NY Jests, Oakland Raiders, etc).

    Just lots of options, but not all are the 'ideal' pick for this team this year.
     
  13. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    PR and all that aside, I think it's a great fit.

    Situational pass rusher in a scheme that generates pressure as well, if not better than, any. No dropping into coverage. Backend that's good enough to force many QB's into holding the ball.

    I'd kill me to see it happen. But all things being equal and removing the cities, logos and passions, I'd be heading north.
     
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  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I agree. McClain is more of a ILB, but he is also the safest LB pick in the draft at either spot. Most of the OLBs played more like a DE in college. McClain is the highest rated one who actually played LB. IMO, that counts for something, and also he could play SAM if that was where a team most needed him. For us, I could see taking him, playing him at SAM as a rookie on 1st and 2nd down. Then give way to a pass rusher in the nickel. This would give us a chance to see how Crowder handles moving from MIKE to MOE. If his play is solid we can maintain the status quo. If not, we have an ideal replacement to move over there in McClain.
     
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  15. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Really hope we dont go with Morgan, just doesnt seem suited to what we want from the position aside from size.

    JPP would be a better choice if thats what we are going for. However, I really expect them to work hard to get a trade down. Im normally loathe to proclaim that (just about everyone talks about trading down) but in this deep draft I know they wouldnt mind getting back something with the absence of that second rounder. Plus, if they are aiming for a Brandon Graham, dropping down would be quite logical.

    The only picks we should stand pat for would be Berry if a miracle happens, Earl Thomas if we like him enough, JPP if we want a rusher or Spiller if we want to add on to offense. Graham, Hughes, Kindle etc would all be a much better value at something like 18 or below.
     
  16. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Have to disagree about Morgan. It's likely he won't be there at 12 for a reason. As you said, his size is prototypical. His pass rushing ability is very good. He can play the run stronger than most guys. I think he'd be the best possible defensive pick for us if we're not in love with Thomas. (and berry doesn't fall, obviously)
     
  17. fins1

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    Was listening to sirius and Gil Brandt(sp?) said he spoke to Parcells, said he knows who we are going to pick if we stay at 12. Gil said we will be surprised. I'll guess Spiller or Pierre-Paul.
     
  18. padre31

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    Or Jermaine Gresham, a 6'6 Te, Tuna just loves the big guys.
     
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  19. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    or Iupati, cause i swear it just seems like something we'd do.
     
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  20. OCDolfan

    OCDolfan a.k.a. LostInPatsLand Club Member

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    Surprised? Maybe Brandon Graham because he doesn't fit the prototype that we expect with Parcells. Or Earl Thomas since his less than stellar tackling skills would make it surprising for Parcells to draft him -- a safety -- so early
     
  21. Deus ex dolphin

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    If the knee checks out, I'd be okay with that. The offense would be deadly with a pass-catching TE like Gresham.

    What about, Dez Bryant? That would be a HUGE surprise, right? If Denver went with McClain instead of Bryant as many now expect?

    I hope we can trade down into the low 20's and get a second rounder back though. Or at least 3-4 spots back and get another third rounder.
     

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