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I Trust the Professionals

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Pariah, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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  2. felly smarts

    felly smarts New Member

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    55 tackles last season. Not bad for a ST guy. He started a game or 2 as well.
     
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  3. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Wrong......It is common knowldge that Ireland is making the calls......Parcells/Nolan/Sparano has some input, but Jeff pulls the trigger....ask the draft gurus on here, who have literally talked to those guys....
     
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  4. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matter how much people are paid or who they are. There are 32 teams with war rooms, and most of them are going to **** the bed this draft. It's the nature of the beast.
    People have opinions, and many may pan out to be better than reality. People have legit gripes for not picking up a Sergio Kindle or Golden Tate in the 2nd round when they're there, or a Jerry Hughes in the first. The reality is, odds are against the war rooms and draft success overall, despite what they think they know or how much they are paid.

    We all know we're not paid pro's...we're not the trifecta..or thousandaires. And it doesn't change the fact that the odds are against our draft from being a great one. Faith, hope...it doesn't matter. Let people be angry and complain. Let them rejoice. It wont change what will be.
     
  5. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    All I know is I would much rather have a system that succeeds with a bunch of role players, then an average team of well known individuals.
     
  6. Vision

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    We'll certanly see what happens with the draft, but it seems like we got some good players, at spots where they probably couldn't have been had later.

    I'll always enjoy playing armchair GM, but at this point, it's out of our control (as hard as that is to accept), so as fans, we really just have to hope for the best.
     
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  7. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    Like?
     
  8. DHPVW

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    Well, I think if we stayed at #12 Sean Weatherspoon or Brandon Graham would have been worth not trading down. Imo they are a bit more ready for the next step to the NFL. I think they will immediately have a big impact on their chosen teams. It was nice picking up a 2nd rd pick, but I'm not sure Misi is gonna pan out. He seems to have a lot of potential, but we will have to see.

    As for picking at #28, Odrick was a pretty good pick. I can say that I do think our needs for a quality OLB is higher than our needs for another NT. That being said, most of the OLB I liked were already gone. I do think that Jerry Hughes might have been a better pick. Considering the fact that he is a relentless pass rusher I would have thought that we might have taken him.

    Either way, the pick that I don't understand is our 3rd rd pick in John Jerry. I know he was a good pick up at that spot, but I think we should have addressed other positions instead. Even though we already picked Misi, still available were: Navorro Bowman, Thaddeus Gibson, Major Wright and even Everson Griffen! I just don't think we needed to pick an OL so early. I'm not a professional, but I do have my own opinion on our draft.

    All in all, I think we could have done much worse. The players we picked all seem to have good upside to them and hopefully everything plays out. I am thrilled about our pick up of Reshad Jones! I hope he can come in and contribute right away!!
     
  9. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    Got to stay true to your board and if at the time of those picks they didn't have a safety on their board worthy of the selection then they did the right thing by staying true to their board. :up:
     
  10. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    marshall, thigpen & dansby are indirectly a part of the Miami draft
     
  11. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    I knew we wanted our 2nd rounder back badly, so it was expected a trade down. It was a deep draft and we also saved some money by trading down. I think Odrick makes a lot of sense now that we know Starks is our NT, besides the jest wanted Odrick too, so that's a plus.

    On the Jerry pick I'm okay with that, seems like we wanted Burnett in the 3rd but the Packers took him and we went with Jerry instead. He's and OG who the coaching staff is familiar with (Senior Bowl), and we are trying to trade Smiley, so adding an OG doesn't hurt (remember the Carolina game last year?)

    I'm thrilled with Jones too, if he can knock the **** out of welker he was worth the pick, lol!
     
  12. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Granted it was a bad example. Looking back I see that. It was just what came to mind.

    People who say 'I trust the professionals' how do you respond to Cam Cameron + Randy Mueller, or Dave Wantardo + Rick Speilman. There are 'professionals' who aren't good at what they do relative to the other 31 teams in the league. The Detroit Lions fans could have said the 'trust the professionals' who brought them an 0-16. Would that have been smart long term? Doubt it.

    So to me that whole argument boils down to. I don't know enough about the subject, so I am just going to trust someone who has a good track record. And to be blunt, nobody on this board (including me) 'knows enough' about how players are going to be used in the system etc. Only the FO really knows.

    I think it a somewhat fair point. But Parcell's isn't above questioning. You can trust the professional's but that doesn't mean I have to. I can question and criticise (which I don't btw) and that is completely valid. So if that argument works for you, fine. But to make comments like 'if you are so good why aren't you in the war room' is pretty pathetic imo. It's normally an argument that is made when someone can engage you on the specific topic at hand. So they try to dismiss your opinion because 'you aren't a professional'. Instead of trying to dismiss my point. Why don't you try addressing my point and proving it incorrect.
     
  13. finyank13

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    Boom, CK, and Con are three people on this board that without a doubt "knows enough" bro....
     
  14. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Are they 'professionals'? If they knew so much then why aren't they in the war room? See how cheesy that argument is...

    I don't get to see what Boom, CK, and Con post. I haven't paid for the priviledge yet. What is their background. I think they are smart, great individuals. Do they have connections in the Dolphins organization? Did the used to be scouts or coaches? You just say they are qualified but don't say why.
     
  15. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Marshall and Thigpen yes, but not Dansby. He was a FA.
     
  16. StLouisFinFan

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    Your citation of three of the least successful football professionals this franchise has ever seen as a reason not to trust the ones that have turned a sinking franchise into a respected one in the blink of an eye, and have some Super Bowl titles in their pocket to boot, is a cheap play on your apparent disdain for this regime and its drafting acumen. Parcells, Ireland and Sparano earned more respect as football professionals with me after a single year than the other three squandered in almost decade. Let's keep this in perspective shall we?
     
  17. finyank13

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    It isnt an argument, I am merely pointing out that those three guys know exactly how any of the Dolphins picks fit into the scheme if at all...You didnt say anything about professionals, you just mentioned that nobody on this board knows....I had to correct you...Go to the draft forums on this site, it is littered with threads, by those guys, very informative ones, go to their website...heck go to the Sun-Sentinel where their work is printed...

    and yes this thing is cheesy, what makes it chessy is that becuase you arent in a war room, or playing between the lines, your not legit.....
     
  18. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    I was incorrect. Thank you for correcting me.

    I have read the articles on Sun-Sentinel. It's the best articles that are posted on the Dolphins ALL YEAR on that site. It's way better than the normal fluff they do on a daily/weekly basis.

    I will click on down to the draft forum and see what's been posted. Thanks.
     
  19. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Just for the record I do trust this front office. I just don't like people using that argument to dismiss people who question them.
     
  20. LandShark13

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    Other than the fact that they got paid to do what they do thus fitting the definition of professional, I wouldn't consider Cameron or Wannstedt professional's when it came drafting. While I do have respect for both Spielman and Mueller in what they have accomplished in their careers while they were with us the coaching staff had the final say.

    I highly doubt it was Mueller that salivated over Ginn when it was Cam that had a personal relationship with Ginn and the Ginn family. Using that as just one example.
     
  21. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Your welcome bro....
     
  22. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    No, I don't accept your characterization or your conclusions.
    I cited two of our last three FOs. The only reason I didn't cite Saban was that, while he was no personell genius, he sure looked like one compared to those two.
    The current regime managed to take a very poorly coached 1-15 team and win the division, which was amazing. But that speaks to their coaching ability more than their personell decisions.
    As for Parcell's qualifications, he hasn't taken a team to the SB since 96 and hasn't won a SB since 1991. His philosophy was born in a different era, which doesn't mean it won't work but also doesn't mean it will STILL work. Jimmy Johnson won a couple SBs too but his personell philosophy didn't work here in the post-salary cap era.
     
  23. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    They turned over more than 50% of the roster...your kidding with that statement right? It was close to 60% by the time the playoffs rolled around.
     
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  24. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I maintain that the main reason for the turnaround was 1000% better coaching.
     
  25. Den54

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    I maintain that it was the combination of the two.
     
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  26. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    How I love it when someone tries to create a thread and post something positive and well written, and then someone comes along and selectively reads the post and thread and then insults it without really understanding it.
     
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    I couldn't disagree more. I think this might be the best pick in the draft, because on the face of it, we didn't need an OL. But, if you consider it more carefully, you see that Jerry has the potential to make this OL a step up from good. The guy is a mauler. Hes going to make our running game even better. He's going to help us beat people down. By the fourth quarter, we will be able to have long sustained drives because the left side of our line will dominate. I have long maintained that we needed more quality at the interior of our line, and we just got a big, heaping serving.
     
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