1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ATVZ400, Apr 27, 2010.

  1. ATVZ400

    ATVZ400 Senior Member

    5,254
    5,111
    0
    Mar 22, 2008
    parts unknown, NJ
    Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-trippintuesday042710



    WOW.....
     
    skippysphins and Bpk like this.
  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    31,608
    55,634
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Its not particularly rare to ask a prospect questions that are designed to fluster a prospect that have nothing to do with football. That's a pretty surefire way to do it.
     
  3. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

    5,820
    2,511
    113
    Dec 13, 2007
    Los Angeles
    I don't think arrogant is the correct word here. Perhaps brazen, or rude, would be more appropriate. I thought this was going to have to do with not drafting a safety because we're already 'good enough' or something.
     
    mikenc28115, Anonymous and Bpk like this.
  4. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

    8,565
    3,821
    113
    Nov 23, 2007
    Powell, WY
    I wouldn't call it arrogant. I would call it pretty freaking stupid, if it's true.
     
    Themole and jetssuck like this.
  5. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

    18,044
    19,678
    113
    Dec 8, 2007
    Well away from here
    I am just curious, what exactly rings of arrogance there? You want me to pay you millions of dollars, then you'd better expect you have a background check done, and then be asked about any issues.
     
  6. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

    27,364
    31,261
    113
    Apr 6, 2008
    I generally like what this F.O. has done with many of it's personnel decisions, but I don't think they have been particularly classy or even professional in their dealings.
     
  7. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

    22,422
    9,819
    0
    Nov 27, 2007
    DC Metro Area
    Ireland's approach needed more not less!!!!! Thats the headline that nails the story - you dont like the heat, stay out the kitchen also works.
     
    gafinfan likes this.
  8. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    13,777
    7,574
    113
    Dec 8, 2007
    The old saying "Nice guys finish last" comes to mind.

    Unfortunate, but in many cases it is true.
     
    k-bayfinfan, alen1 and Conuficus like this.
  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    16,329
    9,874
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    I don't see the big deal...if his mother has a questionable background, as it appears from the story that she does, and you have a guy who has lots of questions about his character, questions about his mother seem pretty appropriate. Maybe there was a reason they asked him that question...
     
  10. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

    5,257
    1,725
    113
    Apr 28, 2008
    Don't see what the problem is here. It would pi$$ anyone off, but if that's what Ireland wants to ask before giving someone a multi-million dollar contract, why shouldn't he?
     
  11. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

    9,313
    4,169
    0
    Nov 11, 2008
    somehow i knew this article was leading to the mistreatment of jason taylor
    what a joke
     
  12. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

    21,755
    3,475
    113
    Jan 5, 2008
    Oviedo FL
    Sounds like he has beef with the Phins and Ireland.
     
  13. imafinfan

    imafinfan New Member

    31
    12
    0
    Apr 14, 2010
    palatka fl
    Of course they left out the part where Ireland adds "cause ive got a $10 spot" but yea that is pretty classless.
     
  14. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

    14,523
    22,246
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Sunny Florida
    It's a bull**** question, plain and simple.

    It's none of his ****ing business for one. And two, it's not like he doesn't already know the answer.

    I don't care how many millions the contract is for. It's 100 percent unprofessional, inappropriate and irrelevant. If I'm in a job interview and somebody says that to me having already done an extensive background check, I'm going to be highly offended. And they're going to know about it.
     
    Ultra, Puka-head, JDelenne and 10 others like this.
  15. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

    20,459
    14,210
    113
    Apr 2, 2008
    Coral Springs, FL
    Re: Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable

    This looks bad. I understand why he asked it, but I don't agree with him doing so.



    Sent from my HERO200 using Tapatalk
     
    Frumundah Finnatic and Bpk like this.
  16. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Meh. I think the question was designed to make Dez mad. To see how he reacts to certain situations. I am willing to bet that worse questions are asked every year of certain prospects.

    Is in classless? Most likely, but what is classy about watching a bunch of grown men run around in their underwear, and judging their merits and value based on how fast/strong they are? The whole process is classless.

    And it sounds like Dez Bryant handled it the way he should have. It is essentially, a psych test. Something I WANT my GM to conduct when vetting potential employees in this field. I see no issue with this.
     
  17. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    This is on the heels of Zach Thomas saying that while he doesn;t disagree with some of what Jeff Ireland says, he claims Ireland needs sensitivity or media training to learn how to talk to people properly.

    This is from Zach Thomas a week and a half ago.

    Now we hear about Ireland again displaying the interpersonal skills of a garbage compactor.

    1) If you need to ask it, you can do it in a less antagonistic way (or maybe he did and we don;t know the wording... maybe Ireland DID say "I hate to ask you this, but..." who knows)

    2) If someone needs to purposely provoke a player by being an ******* to him, let it be the team psycholigst or some 3rd party we have in instead of the GM so we don;t give a bad reputation to the franchise. PLayers and people in the league need to want to deal with Ireland for trades and signings, and it also affects the rep if the organization more when the GM asks this than when someone else, like a 'psych evaluator, or something, asks it in a purpiosely antagonist a-hollish way to get a reaction.
     
    JCowScot likes this.
  18. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

    27,364
    31,261
    113
    Apr 6, 2008
    Nice is one thing. I would like to see more professionalism. I don't even have a huge problem with asking about the mom. I think that could be done in a manner that isn't offensive. We don't know how (or even if) it was asked, but their track record doesn't make it sound likely that they did it in a respectful manner.

    I also think their handling of ZT and JT was unprofessional. I'm not saying the personnel decisions were wrong, just the handling of them. IMO this hurts the organization in the long term. Most vets realize that it is a business and that they may be let go someday, but that doesn't mean that they should be treated poorly at that time. If I were a vet considering where to sign, the F.O.'s treatment of ZT and JT would be something I would list in the "con" column. It wouldn't be my only, or even my primary consideration, but it would be a consideration.
     
    djphinfan and jetssuck like this.
  19. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

    9,313
    4,169
    0
    Nov 11, 2008
    oh boy
    here we go with the zach said this and jason said that about jeff ireland
    that is what this article is about
    i watch ireland press conferences and he has no problem with the media
    the guy is a stckler and people don't like it point blank.
    there was nothing wrong asking that question to get a reaction.
    lighten up
     
  20. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

    9,313
    4,169
    0
    Nov 11, 2008
    no it is just common reaction
    if someone tries to be funny and writes something that is not
    then it is not funny, thus the response
    common sense man
    another thing....don't quit your day job LOL
     
  21. rtl1334

    rtl1334 New Member

    1,997
    1,014
    0
    Jan 1, 2009
    Re: Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable

    How do we know this was even said? How do we know it was Ireland? There were two people in that room so there are two versions of what was said and what occurred. It is never wise to make factual assumptions based on one person's version of events.

    If anything Bryant has unwittingly shown he is a potential leak for inner team matters. This and viewing his extensive entourage on draft night (for a guy possibly surrounded by bad influences) enforces the reasons why he dropped the way he did.
     
    Puka-head likes this.
  22. The Aqua Crush

    The Aqua Crush New Member

    6,152
    1,600
    0
    Jun 15, 2008
    Calgary Alberta Canada
    IT's a tough question to ask, but sometimes it's better to hear it from the player himself than to just assume. Also, we don't know the context in how he asked it. I would only judge Ireland not for asking the question but for how he asked it.

    If for instance he said: " So i hear your mom's a prositute, how long has she been doing that?"

    Is different than: "There have been people talking and they said your mom is a prostitute, i wanted to hear your opinion on those allegations before assuming it's true and how you handle public spotlight sensitive rumors like that?"

    I wonder if Vick would have been mad if a GM asked him about Dogfighting during his interview process, perhaps there were rumors but no GM asked the question. Also, totally irrelevant to a qb job in the NFL, until said rumor turns out to be true and the franchise loses millions from a nightmare PR circus. If a GM asked the question, got a bad vibe from Vick's answer, perhaps he wouldn't have been selected where he was.

    Not the same circumstances but if you are going to invest in a player, you need to be diligent so you know everything your getting and what ramifications can come from it. There's a reason teams know about family, high school coaches/teachers opinions on a player, friends they hang with, incidents they were involved with, how they reacted/managed those tough life situations. LIfe in the NFL spotlight isn't always easy. Then you decide if that risk, on the field and off, are worth the reward of taking that player. So yes family matters do play a role in the NFL, it's not a normal type of job or job interview process.

    Tough question to ask and morally it may not have been right to ask it, but it all comes down to how thorough your staff is at determining the whole player your getting, both on and off the field. If Ireland was an *** about how he asked Dez, then i would think thats terrible. But a yahoo article, hearing whispers it was ireland and just accusing him of something taken out of context. I'm sorry I have to reserve judgement unless i knew more. Which won't ever happen i'm sure.
     
    Colmax and djphinfan like this.
  23. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    39,159
    21,798
    113
    Nov 29, 2007
    San Diego
    What I want to know is what the eff his mom being a prostitute or not have to do with Dez' character. It's a BS question, period.

    This thing is spreading like wildfire too. Very bad look for our organization. Classless. It's been around since April 12 but is now spreading really fast.
     
  24. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

    9,313
    4,169
    0
    Nov 11, 2008
    this article was written to drudge up the ZT and JT pity party
    people can't get over the fact that those two players are done here

    i doubt bryant was even asked that question anyways
     
  25. ascii

    ascii People Watcher

    2,211
    896
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    Etters, Pa
    I don't think it's the comparison(his mother's action=bad football player). I think it's more of 1-2 years down the road as he's walking out of an opposing teams stadium and the random fan yells a comment. If he got upset at the question presented to him in a controlled environment, what will his reaction be given the above scenario.

    For the record I do NOT condone this type of questioning/behavior if it was indeed done in such a crude manner. On the other hand, as The Aqua Crush has said, if it was stated with bluntness or direct question I don't have a problem with this. JMO. :)
     
  26. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

    705
    537
    93
    Mar 23, 2008
    Come back to me when someone has some evidence that it was Ireland that said that, till then it's all bs.

    IF he did say it, it was pretty classless. But to be honest, it doesn't bother me all that much. If you expect someone to invest millions of dollars in you, in a business where your conduct off the field (and your temper, which I think whoever was asking the question was testing) can compromise that investment, you'd better be ready to answer any and all questions about your background.
     
    SeanP likes this.
  27. gunsmithx

    gunsmithx Active Member

    966
    94
    28
    Nov 30, 2007
    Miami
    This is a case where it sounds pretty bad when you hear but you don't really know any sides here other then what basicly amounts to a rumor. While I agree that the way they treated ZT at the end was bad I didn't have a huge problem with JT as I think think it was clear to everyone they were waiting till after the draft.

    The problem is that we always only hear one side of the story here, they never ever talk about what happens from their side so we get a one sided story and it's hard to make a good call when you have very limited information(at least with JT he himself came out to give his side.)

    That said I don't know that there are many good reasons for that kind of question unless there was something in the background check they felt could come back to bite them(since it seems they are at their limit of guys with character questions) We'll proabbly never know the answer either.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

    40,533
    33,035
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
     
    Two Tacos likes this.
  29. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    3,467
    1,704
    113
    Aug 24, 2009
    Deltona FL
    For one we have no way of knowing if it actually was Ireland.

    But I'll be honest, I just don't think it's that big of a deal... maybe I'm missing something. Players get insulted and thrown all sorts of things at them on a daily basis. I doubt Ireland had any interest in actually knowing whether she was a prostitute or not. It was more probably amounted to "How will this guy react if someone crosses the line." And he got his answer.

    You can run all the litany of tests in the world you want at a guy, but it's impossible to tell how he's going to react until you throw him in a situation you want to see the outcome of.

    I dunno, maybe I just think people need to be a bit more thick skinned. If he intended to insult Dez Bryant and be an a-hole, then yeah, that's reprehensible. If he intended to do some screening, then I just don't understand what the issue is.
     
    DolfanCole likes this.
  30. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    39,159
    21,798
    113
    Nov 29, 2007
    San Diego
    Yeah, the problem is the one sided story is due in part to Ireland and Harvey Greene. No comment.

    If someone accuses me of saying something so crude, and I didn't say it? I say hell no I didn't say it. If I did say it, then I say "No Comment." Or "Next question."

    So, like I said, I never assumed Ireland said it. That'll probably flesh out soon. I'm saying, if he said it, it was despicable.
     
    Themole likes this.
  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    You must be new here.:lol:
     
  32. krypto

    krypto Banned

    772
    366
    0
    Sep 22, 2009
    Are you ****ing kidding me? Reread your own post. Dez Bryant would be paid the millions, not his mother. So why should the mother have a background check? I always thought Ireland was a tool(regardless if he was the one who made the comment) and its a shame that so many forum members worship the trifecta as if they could do no wrong.
     
  33. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

    21,176
    10,130
    113
    Jan 14, 2008
    Hornell, NY
    Could care less what he asked Bryant. Furious about this -

    You want to ask tough questions to a rookie prospect, fine. But there is no reason but pure *******dness to treat Zach Thomas like this. After everything he's done for our team. Guy played his heart out for us. And now he probably feels like he doesn't have an NFL home.
     
  34. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

    23,327
    35,934
    113
    Nov 23, 2007
    Posts that are of an antagonistic or personal in nature have been deleted-Lets keep to the topic please
     
  35. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

    2,540
    1,327
    113
    Aug 23, 2009
    If you want to get a reaction out of a prospect, that's one thing (such as the apparent questions to Rolle and Gerhart), but doing with with personal attacks at family is going over the line. But again, who knows what was actually said and if it was actually our FO. It wouldn't surprise me though.
     
  36. krypto

    krypto Banned

    772
    366
    0
    Sep 22, 2009
    Wow, way to be hypocritical. First you say it is "unwise" to make assumptions, yet it wasn't even Dez Bryant who revealed that it was Ireland. It was a source close to him. So get yours straight before passing judgment.
     
  37. krypto

    krypto Banned

    772
    366
    0
    Sep 22, 2009
    Get off Ireland already.
     
  38. rtl1334

    rtl1334 New Member

    1,997
    1,014
    0
    Jan 1, 2009
    Re: Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable

    If it was a source close Dez then Dez was the leak. At least now we know (and Dallas fans better be aware) if inner-team affairs end up in SI or ESPN, one place to start looking is Dez Bryant and those around him.
     
  39. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,652
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    If it comes out that he asked the question in not a compassionate way, then he's a stupid *** and needs to be checked.
     
  40. FinFan316

    FinFan316 Banned

    713
    133
    0
    Apr 3, 2010
    The question is not about his mothers character, its about Dez's character, and the way it affects his judgment. But, DB is not on the Fins, so hopefully we can stop worrying or discussing him. Lets worry about the players we have, not the ones we don't.
     

Share This Page