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Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ATVZ400, Apr 27, 2010.

  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Not sure how the question is offensive. Seems pretty legitimate to me.
     
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  2. DOLFANMIKE

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    :crapstrom:

    So was the follow up question if he said yes ... "How much was she?"
     
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  3. SuperMarksBros.

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    May be Ireland was looking for a date. Too soon?
     
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  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You'll have to forgive me as my sarcasm detector is broken, but are you serious?
     
  5. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Yes.

    You try to break them down. Once you have them broken down mentally, thats when you get the truth from them.

    If you break Dez Bryant, he'll stop bull****ting you at some point, and the real Dez Bryant will become evident.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    What is really arrogant is a sportswriter trying to smear a GM, just because that GM's organization isn't giving the aforementioned sportswriter information.
     
  7. rtl1334

    rtl1334 New Member

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    Re: Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable

    What is not discussed in the article is the context of the question. It could have been in an exploratory, fact-finding manner. The way the article write it, the intent of the question was to be inciting.

    I'll reiterate though. The fact the details of a two person conversation have been leaked is very alarming. This does go to Bryant's (and by extension his handlers) immaturity. He has to understand tough questions are coming - some may even say insensitive. How he reacts to the situation as a whole is what is being assessed - not necessarily his reaction to the interviewer. I guess we know the answer.
     
  8. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    DJ, you're a great poster, but how exactly would one go about phrasing the subject question in a "compassionate" way? It seems to me, based on the subject matter, that would be impossible.

    As for those who believe Ireland posed the question to extract a reaction from Bryant, I'm just not buying it. If you want to know what makes a person tick, or understand how they might react in different situations, then hire a psychologist -- don't insult the potential employee.

    I can't help but feel like this front office employs some individuals of questionable character that happen to lack professionalism. Whether or not that is the case is irrelevant because its my perception based on stories such as these. This case only serves to strengthen my belief.
     
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  9. rtl1334

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    Re: Ireland’s, Dolphins’ arrogance unacceptable

    I'm not sure what field you work in but in my field (Law Enforcement) you'd be amazed at what we ask and subject applicants to - simply to see how they respond.
     
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  10. hazed819

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    Sounds like a legit question to me, if your mom has problems its definately going to take a toll on you. At the same time if it were true and he just didnt care about his mother it also says something about him because what kind of person doesnt care about his mother.
     
  11. rafael

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    No offense, but in my experience many police officers are very poor judges of what is and isn't respectful. I don't know what your job is but I'm referring to my contacts with cops.

    There is actually a new thread in the lounge that is discussing such cop behavior.
     
  12. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I agree you can make an argument that maybe it is a good interviewing tactic, and maybe that this is something GM's do when evaluating players. You might also be able to argue it was a pertinent question; however, if you think it's not offensive to ask a human being in a serious manner if his/her mother has sex for money then you truly have a unique perspective on the definition of offensive.
     
  13. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    I'm pretty sure that in 99.9% of all cases, if a potential employer touched upon this subject matter during the interview process, there would be problems for everyone involved.
     
  14. Stringer Bell

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    I recall as VP of my fraternity in college, we had a psychologist from Nationals come to our chapter and teach us how to evoke truthful responses from pledges. Every pledge class had 20-25 kids in it. It wasn't easy telling apart the ones that were in it just to party, and the ones who actually wanted to contribute.

    There were two tactics that were surefire to work. The first; sit the pledge down, tell him he was voted out. Once you tell him that, he's done bull****ting you. The second tactic; sit the pledge down and tell him his GF has been sleeping with multiple brothers in the fraternity.

    Both those things were 100% successful in getting someone to tell the truth.
     
  15. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Is it really legitimate to make a comparison between a formal interview process in a professional environment and the pledge process for a college fraternity? I guess I just expect more from an organization like the Dolphins.

    Also, are we really supposed to believe that insulting an individual is the only way of determining what makes them tick? I'm not buying it.
     
  16. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    No offense, but IMHO, there's no place for fratboy BS in the NFL.
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    Its about getting players to tell the truth, during a process in which players are going to do their best to bull**** you.

    Its not about finding out what makes him tick. Its about breaking him mentally so he isn't capable of lying, or has no desire to appease someone.

    If Bryant were truly offended, he could have just gotten up and walked out of the interview.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    Frat boy BS? How do you figure trying to find young men that were concerned with their scholarship, university, and philanthropy instead of kegs and women, is BS?
     
  19. Fin D

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    Or he asked because of the simple reason, he needed to know if their were going to be potential PR issues that may cause a distraction on down the road.

    Ireland has the right to ask. Bryant has the right to answer or not or be upset by the question or not.

    This sitting back and complaining about if it is classy or not, when the business side of the NFL has never been about anything classy is silly.
     
  20. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Well, I didn't say your fraternity was BS, but if you want the truth, I find the practices you describe to be nonsensical. If your fraternity was all about scholarship, university, and philanthropy as opposed to kegs and women then the reputation of your fraternity would speak for itself and there would be no reason to be mind ****ing pledges to invoke honest responses. The fact you did this anyway tells me either: a.) Your fraternity took itself too seriously; or b.) You all got a kick out of mind ****ing pledges. Either way, fratboy BS.
     
  21. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    How is the bolded part different from any other individual applying for any position in any industry in corporate america? And why would this topic never be approached the next time you go interview for a position?

    Its all about a lack of professionalism. Its pretty sad.
     
  22. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Or, he coulda just punched Ireland in the nose.

    Just sayin'... :dunno:
     
  23. LandShark13

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    Meh, If I'm going for a multimillion dollar contract you can ask me anything you damned well please. Trust me I wont get mad.
     
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  24. Stringer Bell

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    Our reputation did speak for itself. We were among the highest in GPA, and consistently raised tens of thousands of dollars for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Association. We also threw kick *** parties.

    The reason we were able to have a high GPA, and able to be philanthropists, is because we did a good job weeding out the ones who didn't care about those things.
     
  25. Stringer Bell

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    There never was an implication. It was a question. There was nothing unprofessional about it at all.
     
  26. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I admire you and your fraternity's work raising money for great causes. :up: but it doesn't change my view of thinking your interview tactics were fratboy BS. I think you're underestimating yourself if you think you couldn't weed out bad pledges without using the tactics you describe.

    Don't get me wrong. That's not a knock against you. Although my university did not have fraternities, that did not stop me for doing my fair share of nonsense that would fall under the category of fratboy bs. My only point is that there is no place for it in an NFL front office.

    But then again, I'm not trying to say Ireland was out of line. I honestly don't know. Not my place to say whether or not the question was pertinent or served a purpose in evaluation.
     
  27. finyank13

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    If true, which it seems like it is, I have an all new found respect for Jeff Irish....you are sinking millions of bucks, and your arse in on the line in everything you do, so if Dezy gets all mad about that, how is he gonna feel when he gets a forearm shoved in his throat on Sundays, or somebody in the stands is screaming his mom is a whore!?!?!? 15 yard penalties, or worse, homeboy jumps in the stands trying to beat somebody down.....his job is in the best interest of the Miami Dolphins...NOT to make some kid feel better about himself for growing up in a tough upbringing...

    Dude if your mom is a prosty turning tricks, deal with it and be a professional....dont cry about it....whatever glad this joke isnt on Miami...
     
  28. Stringer Bell

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    Well the NFL is a little different than most Fortune 500 companies.

    Corporate America usually doesn't consider players who have had troubles with the law, or have questionable character. The NFL is full of guys like that.
     
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  29. VanDolPhan

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    Wow some folk are really naive. All teams will be quite blunt when checking into things that might be future PR problems. Plus as we all know at the combine teams intentionally try to get under your skin to break the coaching they received for those interviews. ie: asking a rhodes scholar what it was like to quit on his team. Grow some balls Bryant cause those CB's will be saying stuff far worse to you thru the course of a game. Much of it about your prostitute mother!
     
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  30. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Which is perfectly your right to do Muck.....and then it is perfectly within their right to show you the door and not care what you think.....that is the great thing about the private sector....they own there own business and run it the way they feel, and to question anything that might hurt their business....nothing personal just business...
     
  31. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Are we to assume Brandon Marshall's mother is not a prostitute?
     
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  32. the 23rd

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    about the thread & front office abuse:

    1) Ireland is just doing his job.
    In all probability the problem w/not prostitution
    but the young man's reaction to the question.
    If Dez can't handle the reality of his mother
    being brought up in an interview
    that could net him millions in a contract
    then how would he deal w/ other stressful issues
    encountered both on & off the field?

    for me: Ireland simply pushed some buttons that were in the best interest of the franchise

    2) because I am a DolFan, I will not comment
    on the brother-in-laws & the NewRegime.
    I never seriously discuss DolphinIcons
    having said that
    I know the FrontOffice acted
    in what they perceived to be
    the best interest of the organization
    & I believe we are a better team
    for the over-all collective decisions
    that have been made in the Reconstruction


    Shula, Zach, Ricky & JT are my personal all-time favorites. :yes: it is what it is. things change.
     
  33. The Aqua Crush

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    I still think it's funny that the writer said, now if i was a GM. Well guess what, your not. And your not a GM for a reason. I don't think he or any of us have the slightest clue what happens behind the scenes at the NFL, despite what Rich Eison tells us on his tv show.

    I would like to hear what some NFL people think about the morally challenging questions to college prospects and if they think it's abnormal or right or wrong or how often it happens.
     
  34. Roman529

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    Here is my take on this story:

    Dez Bryant somehow thought he was going to be taken by either Denver or the Miami Dolphins in the first 12 picks....so when Dez starts to slide he gets pissed off and starts slamming people in other organizations that he was slighted by. Taylor Mays did the same exact thing by slamming Pete Carroll after Carroll took Safety Earl Thomas instead of him. I seriously doubt Ireland asked Bryant if his mom was a ho.....but who knows, maybe she is one????
     
  35. the 23rd

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    Friend Roman 529
    I'm sure he did ask & for the reasons I stated in my post.
    I say get over it & lets win some games.
     
  36. Roman529

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    I am over it, and I am happy Dez is with the Cowturds. :yes:
     
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  37. DolfanJake

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    Grasping at straws, but.......Carl Peterson wants back into the NFL. What better way to get Parcells, Ireland and Sparano out that to smear their character. Ross then has the perfect excuse to escort them out the door and Peterson in......just a thought.
     
  38. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    nobody will go for that:
    we will win many games this season
    we will play w/ intensity & brutality
    we will earn both the respect
    of the opposition & a play-off run
    Parcells & Co. are the reason why

    GoFish!:dolphin:
    the Pod is @ its best w/blood in the water
     
  39. DolfanJake

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    Because peoples morals and character are usually molded by their parents. If his mother was a woman of low morals, then many times the child grows up with the exactly the same set of values. That is how you get guys like Pacman in the NFL.

    There are exceptions, like Coach Randy Shannon of the Miami Hurricanes. He grew up in Liberty City (one of the worst neighborhoods in all of the US). His father was dead when Shannon was 3 because he was killed in a failed drug deal. His mother was a prostitute and habitual drug abuser, and an unfit mother. The same for his 2 older brothers and an older sister, all 3 of which died from AIDS because they were intraveinous drug users and shared needles with anyone and everyone. He was raised by his grandmother, who tried her best to shield Shannon from the rest of his family. She did a great job as Shannon graduated from the U of Miami with a degree in English Lit.
     
  40. Killerphins

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    exactly right
    dez needs to get used to scrutiny from all sides
    he pulled this crap before the draft and got his feelings hurt by things that were said about him and if the report is true( i still doubt it) that is why it was asked. to see if he could answer the question and let it be water under the bridge
    dezzy is going to have a tough time on an nfl field if this sort of stuff get to him psychologically. defenses are going to eat his thin skinned *** for lunch.
     

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