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L O S T - The Final Season

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  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I feel that they could have shown the Dharma stuff in a flashback of Ben or Widmore instead. In general I just feel time travel is a bit of a cop out for shows/movies unless that's the main plot (i.e. Back to the Future).

    I agree about the writing could be tighter. Look, the writers are great with character development but in terms of dialog and flow they don't do a great job in it. Also I still feel as though they made a lot of stuff up as they went along and going back and rewatching older episodes it shows a lot, hence why a lot of stuff doesn't make any sense now. And the stuff they did go back to connect feels forced.

    Regarding the cabin scene, it doesn't make any sense if it was MIB in there because he's apparently Smokey and Smokey had been shown many times before that cabin scene. But you're right that scene just makes no sense now.

    I do think the ashes will become important in the last episode.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is a good point. It was a good scene to throw Ben over the edge to want to kill Locke. It does make sense if MIB is in the cabin
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not know how they could have done that. Maybe a little with Ben. I also liked how it gave Juilet something to do.

    How many movies or shows have time travel? It is pretty rare for a cop out
     
  4. Ray Finkle

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    I just feel that when shows/movies use time travel it's because they ran out of ideas and want to use time travel to start new ones. Heroes is a good example, how Hiro went back in time in Season 2 and it was painfully boring. I really think the time travel stuff hurt the show, yes we learned a bit more about Dharma and it gave Juliet something more to do but again what we learned about them during the full season could have been done in a flashback episode in my opinion.
     
  5. ether79

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    I think you have to combine that scene with the scene in which Ilana and crew went to the cabin and saw the ash ring broken. I think it was jacobs cabin and the ash ring was to keep smokey out, not in. But somehow the ring got broken and smokey got in and manipulated the game. But either way they need to show how that happened.
     
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  6. Ray Finkle

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    Interesting theory. It is possible but why would Jacob keep Smokey out? They have been seen on the beach together talking, it's against the rules for them to hurt each other. It wouldn't make much sense, plus Jacob lived in his temple by the beach. I think its more possible that it was to keep Smokey in that cabin than Smokey out, but again it doesn't make any sense.

    And I agree that they should explain that stuff, but I doubt they will. Again it seems like something they thought of on the fly and now either have no interest in going back to it or they can't really explain it so they're going to let it go.

    Which bring me to Claire, I guess it is in fact possible Smokey was being kept in that cabin since both real Locke and Claire saw Christian in the cabin. Maybe there's more than one Smoke Monster? That could be possible. I'd like to know where she was and why she left Aaron behind and what did she do when everyone was either time traveling or back on the main land.
     
  7. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I agree.

    Just a guess, but maybe Jacob wanted to protect someone from the smoke monster so he kept a ring around the cabin. We should know in a couple of weeks. Hopefully some lingering questions get answered.
     
  8. pennphinfan

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    :confused1: i do believe the series is over in 6 days?

    but yes, it appears that this is certainly one of the things they will almost have to explain to us.
     
  9. pennphinfan

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    also, this is fairly important to our show:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20004772-17.html

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO
     
  10. Ray Finkle

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    Hey here's a question I'd like to be answered before the series ends. How can Jacob get off the island to touch the candidates when 'mother' told MIB he could never leave the island before he killed her and became Smokey. And how does he get off the island? And when he does who helps protect the island?
     
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  11. ether79

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    I have been discussing this with my friends also. All we can come up with is the fact that MIB was "special" therefore he couldn't leave but Jacob wasn't like him and not bound by Mothers decree. Or he found the FDW and did it that way. Also about the ash ring...i think GUnn is right and furthermore to tie it with Claire...is it possible MIB used her to break the ring around the cabin.. I think we might just see both of those answered and shown. Since theystated that fact like you said, so recently they need to show how he did leave.
     
  12. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    Good b/c I'm curious to find out what's so important about the ashes and how the folks know they keep the MIB away (just like the sonic fence, how did they know that works? And why does it keep the smoke monster out?)
     
  13. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    I'd like to know how earth got created in reality actually, so yes :shifty:
     
  14. ether79

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    really good episode...figured it would always be Jack. Two things though, i'm guessing since Jacob was dead Richard was fair game for Smokey, otherwise how could he die. 2nd, hiw could Ben kill Widmore? Thought that wasn't possibke, unless it was maybe due to him betraying the island.
     
  15. Clark Kent

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    5 more days until it's all over... Can't wait to see the end of it all.
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    I don't think Richard is dead, I just think Smokey took him away to another part of the island so Smokey could talk to Ben one on one without any interference.
     
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    Yeah I was about to edit it, after thinking there is definitely room to believe that. He needed to manipulate Ben, once again and Richard would've been there to play the other side.. Good point.
     
  18. DrAstroZoom

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    That episode almost completely redeemed the previous week's debacle. In fact, you could almost ignore that last week happened, and it would all more or less make sense.

    I'm a bit confused as to Ben flipping (again). And I can't wait to see how Sidewaysland folds into the current reality. Should be a fantastic finale. So glad to be excited again after "Across the Sea."
     
  19. Clark Kent

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    I think Ben is playing him because he has no choice. I think he killed Widmore because he hates him. Alex's death is still a sore spot.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That was an awesome episode. SO very good.The sidewaysland was never so freaking interesting.

    I was just thinking about something. I remember when I was disappointed to learn that big monster was just a cloud of black smoke. It seems like so long ago.
     
  21. Paul 13

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    Tonight's episode was huge in so many ways, it sets up the finale... i was thinking before it started tonight that if it fell flat, then the finale would also fall flat... thank goodness that didn't happen...

    Now, I have no idea whose side I want to win, Jacob vs smokey. it's not black vs white... it's gray vs gray. I do disagree with what was said earlier by doc, that last week's episode was unneccessary. It has put doubt in my head as to the whole good vs evil thing.

    GUess we found out the young boy was Jacob after all. Makes sense of course as he had appeared after Jacob died. He needed his ashes in the fire to show himself to everyone not just Hurley.... but when the fire runs out, Jacob is gone forever.

    Makes sense that Jack would be the "anti-Locke" as it's been that way the entire show. Also makes sense that he has marks appearing on him in the flash sideways, now that he is indeed the chosen one.

    Can't wait to see next week.... thrilling and bittersweet indeed...
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I loved it when Jacob put them in their place.

    When Sawyer said, their lives were just fine and he just said, no they weren't.

    it was like burn!

    Reminded me when the MIB said that Locke was the only person smart enough to realize his life off the island was crap
     
  23. gunn34

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    I wonder where Hurley and Syed are going. I think Kate and Desmond are going to see Charlie. I'm now curious to see how the sideways episode works out too. Great episode.
     
  24. ILPhinFan88

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    Kate & Desmond are going to see Jack. They are going to his sons concert, you dont wear a nice black dress to a rock concert.
     
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    Or are they going to see Faraday play?
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    I'm probably in the minority, but last night's episode didn't do much for me. I thought Flocke's main goal was to leave the island, now he wants to destory it? Also, if burning Jacobs ashes led to an appearence from Jacob, something Illana clearly knew, why weren't they burned earlier in the season to get some clear direction (from the man himself) instead of attempting to carry out Richard's half-***ed plan?

    I'm so ready for this show to be over.
     
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  28. AbideN703

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    Maybe the only way for him to leave the island is for it not to exist anymore hence the destroying it. Though I don't know how one destroys an island.

    I'm ready for the show to be over too. I like it but don't love it. A lot of the times I hate it too. Maybe it's b/c I don't understand some things about it or maybe it's something else.

    I will give it props for being a show that has a slew of entertainment sites covering it. I mean hell, you ever gone to Entertainment Weekly to read a recap? They can be like 15 pages long! Imagine having that job
     
  29. FaninPatsyLand

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    I'll be honest -- I hate the show now. I'm tempted to not watch the finale because its not going to do anything for me but further tarnish those great earlier seasons. At this point though, I've invested so much time into the previous 5 seasons that I have to see it through. I suspect a good amount of people feel the same way.

    I was drawn into the show originally though great writing during the first two seasons. But somewhere along the way (probably when they introduced a wheel that, if turned, sent you directly to the Tunisian desert), the direction of the show went haywire.

    I don't know, maybe it was my own fault for expecting too much from the writers as the series wound down, thinking it was possible they could adequately explain such odd occurances in an acceptable manner.

    I think its pretty safe to say the writers backed themselves into a corner and never escaped.
     
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  30. Paul 13

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    I thought about what Jacob said to them, that when they came to the island their lives were crap, but didn't Jacob at least visit Kate and Sawyer off the island when they were young children? Not sure what the relevance to their timeline is vs the other people Jacob visited (much closer to the plane crash).
     
  31. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I agree about the ashes. Here we all thought his ashes would be used to keep Smokey away and nope they get burnt. I'm not even sure by burning his ashes it made Jack, Sawyer and Kate able to see him since I'm assuming Jacob can be seen by whoever he wants to see him. I don't get it.

    I will say that I thought the ending of last night's episode was very weak especially since it's the 2nd to last episode. I figured the episode would end in a big cliffhanger, something to get excited for (like 24 did with the episode this week). Yet it ends with Jacob telling Jack he has a job to do? Eh.

    I agree with you. I really tried to sit back and enjoy this season about half way through since I wasn't a fan of the earlier Season 6 episodes since this was the last season but I just can't, especially when I compare them to Seasons 1 and 2. The quality of the show really went downhill fast. The first 4 seasons gave me something to care about, that I enjoyed and want to watch more, the past 2 make me wish the series would end already. Things just got way too out there only leading to more questions and little to zero explaination of things. I'm very nervous about the last episode, I'm not sure it's going to end well.
     
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    Sawyer's parent were killed and Kate was stealing.
     
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  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think part of the problem with shows like this is that after a few seasons people write their own future seasons in their head. No show can match the show in your head.

    I think this last season has been interesting. I know they are not going to answer everything. Which is weird for an American show because Americans love answers.
     
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    I think it possible that maybe Jacks son is also playing there, along with Miles and his dad possibly being there.
     
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  36. JimToss

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    I'm with FaninPatsyland. I just stand stand the show anymore.
    It seems as though the writers have backed themselves into the corner and they are just resorting to the direction everyone predicted the show was going in the first couple seasons.

    The more and more I watch the more I am disappointed.
    Last night episode really makes me question what was the points to Seasons 3-5, if a completely different direction was taken and all the characters are killed off from it.

    I have invested to much time into this program to stop now. I really thought the series had an actual beginning middle and end planned out when the series started. Its like the BS George Lucas pulled saying he had Episodes 1-3 drawn up with the original trilogy.

    I encourage you all to watch the movie "Adaptation." Try to count the amount of rules Lost violates. I am looking for that final "Deus ex machina" to end the show.
     
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    Which is very frustrating but also great, sometimes I hate it, most of the time I love it. It is definitely an original show.
     
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    I've heard that from a lot of people, the only possiblilty would be Desmond, but I dont think will resort to that, they are nothing if not very creative.
     
  39. JimToss

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    Exactly..Failsafe (as Desmond was described.) Sounds an awful lot like "unexpected special event or power."
     
  40. Ray Finkle

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    I would agree with you on the first part. However the show has since went in a completely different direction than in the first few seasons that it has made those first few seasons meaningless. If I were to tell you after Season 2 that the Others, Dharma and the hatches were pushed aside and never fully explained and that the last season's main focus would be on two new characters that we hadn't met until the last episode of the 2nd to last season and we'd have time travel, teleportations and alternative universes, anyone would be a little concerned with the direction of the show. And that's exactly the problem.

    As for the answers, look I understand that we will never get every single one of our questions answered (since there's not one single TV show that answers everything) especially with a show like this and frankly I'm fine with it (I really had no desire to know who Adam and Eve were or what the whispers in the jungle were or 'Mother's' back story, etc) however it just feels like a giant F-U to the viewers who had spent 6 plus years watching this show to be told by the writers that the last episode is going to end with even more questions. There are some things that I feel the writers owe the viewer an explaination on and it does in fact feel to me at least that if they don't explain things it mostly means they threw crap against the wall hoping it would stick when they knew they could never really explain it in the first place.
     
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