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Opinion: Crayton to be a Dolphin...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by cobrajet, May 26, 2010.

  1. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    If all goes well disgruntled Dallas Cowboy WR Patrick Crayton will be a Miami Dolphin very soon. This will reunite Crayton, a six year veteran, with both Bill Parcells and Tony Sparano.


    Hold your breath, this is developing..............
     
  2. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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  3. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    How about a source?

    This would make me very happy.

    We could run Five Wide Sets, stretch the field out of the gun and have a legit KR.

    For the record, not crediting the source is a rather unfortunate trend of today's social media that irks the hell outta me.
     
  4. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    Post a link or say its your opinion please.
     
  5. I MiZFiT I

    I MiZFiT I The Young And The Bestest

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    Patrick Crayton is not much better, if at all, than Cam, Bess, or Hartline. If he were to start above any of them, i would be angry. We need these young guys to keep playing and improving.
     
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  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Crayfish is a sure thing, they know what they can expect from him, he's not terrible, not great, can return punts, but unless he can handle kickoffs he really should not be in Miami imvho.
     
  7. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I have yet to hear anything about this.
     
  8. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    I'm fine with him in Ginn's spot, 5th WR with KR stuff.

    'Sides, Competition is the elixir of success. That's somebody's quote on here.

    23rd I think? :up:
     
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  9. I MiZFiT I

    I MiZFiT I The Young And The Bestest

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    Ginn wasnt the 5th WR and Crayton is half the KR that Ginn is/was. Id rather Grice Mullen be the 5th or Turner the 5th than a old WR, that has already reached his potential.
     
  10. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Please, lets not make it like Sideline Teddy cured cancer.

    From what I've seen of Crayton, he doesn't think every route is an out route and actually has a working set of hands, which makes him +2 over TGJ.
     
  11. I MiZFiT I

    I MiZFiT I The Young And The Bestest

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    Both scored 2 TD in returns last season. But Crayton wasnt even a KR last season. He returned punts.

    Crayton had just 36 returns and fumbled 3 times.
    Ginn had a total of 57 returns and fumbed 2 times.
     
  12. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Look at the dropped passes and get back to me.

    I'm surprised TGJ managed to catch his flight to SF.
     
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  13. Coral Reefer

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    This is pretty random Cobra.

    Since I don't see any peep about this in any sports news source I'm assuming you're quoting something from a supposed source?
     
  14. I MiZFiT I

    I MiZFiT I The Young And The Bestest

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    I never doubted how bad Ted Ginn was as a reciever but at no point in the season was he the 5th WR. That is where Crayton would be if he came to Miami.
     
  15. NaboCane

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    Calling BS on this one at 9:49PM PDT
     
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  16. late again

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    I'll tell you what. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
    But if Patrick Crayton isn't a Dolphin pretty soon; you need to excuse yourself from this website.
     
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  17. Phinatic425

    Phinatic425 MIA State of Mind

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    Are you high!?
     
  18. The Aqua Crush

    The Aqua Crush New Member

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    CJ was pretty quick to predict some moves around the draft. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one as i'm assuming it's from his source.

    If it is true and it does come to fruition, i would be pleased, another solid receiver for Henne and competition would be a great thing heading into camp.
     
  19. padre31

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    It's doubtful that Crayton makes it in Dallas.


    http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/05/patrick-crayton-ill-be-with-th.html
     
  20. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member


    Ok, I'm not the biggest proponent of adding Crayton, we have some talent at the position beyond the top 4, but he's faster than any of our guys (including Marshall). He's as shifty as Bess and a decent route runner with good hands. He also does something better than our other three guys and that is return kicks and punts. Bess is maxed out. He will never be any faster or quicker than he is now. He's a good slot or short route runner but the lack of speed is damning as he continues to develop. He's our PR, but that is simply out of necessity, not because he's what this regime wants or needs at PR. Cammy has reached his prime. He's a technician on the field, but again his speed is suspect. Hartline has some 'potential' as well. None of us know where Turner or RGM will fit into this picture either. The bottom line is that Crayton is as good or better than the guys you mentioned and certainly better than anyone else we have listed on the depth charts behind Marshall, Cammy, Bess, and Hartline...

    If we add him, it'll likely be due to our pressing need at the returner position, with a chance he can take some plays away from the others at WR.

    I don't know the huge fascination with Bess. He's a great story. UDFA makes good and all that. He's a good slot receiver but tends to develop the drops occasionally. He is a tough guy, but tends to go down with the first bump or hit after catching the ball. He's a good route runner but can't always take advantage of that due to his unmistakable lack of speed, which in turn makes him a liability at the position. He's limited as to what he can do. He's a good PR, but again, is not a threat to take it to the house. He's Wes Welker with two less steps in speed. Crayton could very well unseat Bess as our #3 guy if he came in.

    My only dislike of Crayton is his age. At 31 yrs old, he's not a piece of the puzzle for very long here. I don't know if they think our return game is that desperate that we need to dislodge a younger guy for him...
     
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  21. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    If you don't like Ginn that's fine, but he was not our 5th WR. A 31 yr old Crayton takes up a roster spot for an RGM or Turner ?? I just don't know. True, he's faster than probably any of our top 4 guys, Marshall included, but Crayton would be our 5th here, our 4th at best. His return duties would keep him here, but he's not as big a threat as Ginn was in that department, ever. The only reason this happens is if they really feel that they have to 'replace' Ginn on the roster, but hey, why dump Ginn and replace him with another Ginn-wannabee ??
     
  22. MikeHoncho

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    Yeah you're probably right. We'd already signed Ryan Grice-Mustache.
     
  23. RevRick

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    Just a moment..

    Some of y'all are getting a little... ah.... boisterous... with the criticism of the OP... But, I found this little blurb yesterday...

    http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b4hFp

    Now, I grant you this is not one of the most noted authorities on the net, if there really is such a thing, but...it was on the net - yesterday.

    So there is some smoke out there. It may all be balloon juice, but it's still there.

    Just sayin', y'all.
     
  24. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I've got no problem with Crayton being here, especially if the cost to obtain him is little or nothing. The fact that he's not as dangerous as Ginn is irrelevant to me since Ginn is no longer here and Crayton is still a very good punt returner. Ginn's departure has left a void in the return game and has left us lacking some deep speed at receiver. Crayton averaged almost 17 yards a catch last season and has averaged almost 15 yards per catch for his career. If Grice-Mullen or Turner show they're better players, fine. But IMO you can get on a slippery slope pretty quickly when you start to think unproven players should be good enough, especially when you have a franchise getting to the point of being ready to contend.

    It's pretty clear to me that the reason they didn't keep Ginn was that he didn't fit the toughness profile and just hasn't developed enough as a WR. Bringing in a guy like Crayton who can be a role player and just do his job without the distraction of fans and media riding his *** and calling him a bust is probably a plus for this coaching staff and front office.
     
  25. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Yeah, but that article really doesn't deliver anything new of substance. It just makes reference to the blurb that was in the Herald a few days ago.
     
  26. princekong2

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    Im Not A big Fan of bringing People in and putting a lock on their starting position *just an assumption* Dont really like Crayton
    Id Rather one of our Young Dolphin Breeded Players to be a KR.
     
  27. padre31

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    Spot on.

    My one quibble is "yes" he is 31, but he has only been in the NFL for 4 seasons, he doesn't have the mileage that a typical 31 yr old NFL wr would have.
     
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  28. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Another question is whether or not he'd want to come here. He may very well be able to unseat Hartline as the #2, but there's no clear guarantee. There might be another team out there that he would have less competition...
     
  29. padre31

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    Tru that, though I suspect if they feel RGM and Co cannot hack it, they will just trade for him as they would feel he fills a specific role and has a proven track record.

    To me, a Phil Merling for Marcus Spears/Pat Crayton trade makes sense.
     
  30. Ronnie Bass

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    With us looking to throw down the field more I am intrigued if that could help Bess more than people realize, I mean it seems the last two seasons teams loaded up the front on us making it more crowded for Bess to get open, with the defense now having to keep an eye on our wideouts and playing deeper he could be the player to benefit most from the addition of Marshall - besides Henne of course.
     
  31. padre31

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    Bess just lacks that gear to do much though RB, Welker can line up wide and go deep down the seam, DBess never does that in Miami, he did burn the Steelers in the last game so maybe there is some hope for him yet.
     
  32. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    could happen, but not that big a deal. our Receiving Corp is strong & we remain a run-first offense.
     
  33. SICK

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    yeah cause he might have a problem unseating 2 guys with a combined "0" nfl catches.
     
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  34. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    What exactly has he done...never gotten more than 697 yards in any season and has never even been a #2, except by injury... My point is that at 31 yrs old, he has a year or two here and we're looking to replace him. Since it's likely he'd have to share snaps with Hartline, Cammy and Bess anyway, do you continue to NOT develop youngsters to add someone who is probably only as good as the guys you have ahead of him now ?? His biggest asset is his return ability, which may be enough to get him to stick, but at what price ???
     
  35. SICK

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    ummm he has 20+ tds since 2006. more than any reciever currently on our roster.
     
  36. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I think that the decision to let go of Ginn could come back to bite us as we now have no real elite speed to complement Marshall. Marshall isn't a deep threat, in fact, he's a stronger, faster, and possibly quicker Bess, relying on his strength to break tackles and get YACs. Cammy is as quick and faster than Bess with probably better hands (although that doesn't seem to be a weakness with either). In fact, as I said in another thread, Cammy got his start here being what Bess has been doing last season. Hartline is the best option, imho, as the mirror of Marshall. He is faster than both Cammy and Bess, (albeit only by a little, and still not elite speed) and has developed nicely as a guy who can get open down the seams but he's still developing. While Bess or whoever plays the slot position likely will get more opportunities with the addition of Marshall, the lack of speed for Bess will really hinder his production. I'd rather have a faster Cammy filling that role than Bess...
     
  37. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    True. What QBs and system has he been in ?? Not exactly run first offenses as ours have been. There's no denying that he would be a good addition to our team, but the cost of not developing a younger guy for a guy that only has couple of years left....I'm not convinced. It's not like he's a 31 yr old TO or Boldin or Derrick Mason...someone of that ilk...
     
  38. SICK

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    does randy moss, andre johnson and larry fitzgerald have elite speed WR to compliment them?
     
  39. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    unfair comparison IMO
     
  40. SICK

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    how so? he asked "what exactly has he done"
     
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