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Dispelling the Biggest Myth about the Fish

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GMJohnson, May 28, 2010.

  1. GMJohnson

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    By far, the least challenged notion about the 2009 Miami Dolphins is that the offense played reasonably well, but the team was let down by the poor play of its defense. I’ve heard or read something to this effect too many times to count, with little argument to the contrary and I’m convinced that its generally accepted as true. Except it isn’t true at all when you really look back, and look closely, and what happened last year. Miami did in fact finish at or near the bottom of the league in almost every defensive metric, but stats only tell part of the story, and I’m going to try and explain the rest.

    The first thing to look at is injuries. Will Allen, Jason Ferguson and Channing Crowder were all out or not healthy for most of the year. That’s our best DB, LB and DL, all unable to contribute. Soliai (foot/ankle), Porter (hamstring/feelings), Taylor (shoulder), V. Davis (quad/wrist), and Roth (groin/contract) were also playing hurt for significant stretches. Starks, Smith, Langford, Wilson, Bell and Ayodele were the only players who were healthy for 16 games. Injuries are a part of the game though, so I wont harp on it too much, but I feel it was worth mentioning that barely half the starting unit was healthy for the season.

    Now on to the games:

    Week 1 @ Atlanta. The score: ATL 19 MIA 7. The skinny: The defense played well, shut down Michael Turner and held Roddy White in check. Tony Gonzalez got loose but what else is new? He’s a HOF TE who’s been abusing defenses for 12 years running. Offense was the problem in this game. Pennington and Fasano both had two TOs and Jake Long had his worst game of the season. The D allowed only one TD, and kept it close for the entire game despite getting almost no help from the other side of the ball. The Verdict: Defense played well, offense didn’t.

    Week 2 vs. Indy. The score: IND 27 MIA 23. The skinny: Bad case of role reversal as the offense moved the ball at will and the defense was a no show. The only time the defense got off the field was after an extra point, or so it seemed. My only defense is to say hey, that’s Peyton Manning out there, and the all world #1 NY Jets defense didn’t much better (see AFCCG). The verdict: Offense played well, defense didn’t.

    Week 3 @ San Diego. The score: SD 23 MIA 13. The skinny: Another good showing by the D (that’s two if you’re counting) who allowed only one TD to one of the leagues most explosive teams. Side note: Crowder, would you please watch out for QB scramble near the goal line? L.T. and Hardwick were out for this game so that takes a little of the shine off, but with Rivers, Gates, Jackson, Nannee, Chambers and Sproles the Chargers were hardly hurting for playmakers. The D kept us in the game for 4 quarters but the offense was MIA again, not scoring until the game was already out of reach (again). Henne’s pick 6 to Weddle pretty much sealed it, but it was still just 16-6 at that point. Terrible call by Henning led to a fumble on the first drive, a harbinger of things to come. The verdict: Defense played well, offense didn’t.

    Week 4 vs. Buffalo. The score MIA 38 BUFF 10. The skinny: Total domination from about the 2nd quarter on. Vontae started it off with a pick 6 and the rout was on. DL was dominant all day, Wake, Taylor, Starks, even Porter was in the backfield all day. Offense started slowly, Henne was sacked 23 times, or was it 6? I cant remember. Didn’t matter much though b/c the Bills couldn’t score, and their defense called it quits somewhere in 3rd quarter. Ronnie and Ricky had a field day after that. The verdict: Offense and Defense both played well.

    Week 5 vs. NY Jets. The score MIA 31 NYJ 27. The skinny: Tough game to grade the defense on. They allowed 13 first half points, 10 of which came partially as a result of missed tackles on fake punts. Shout out to Cam Wake and Joey Porter who apparently to get juked by punters and miss point blank tackles on men, respectively. NY’s two 2nd half TDs came after a bomb to David Clowney (who?), a circus catch by Braylon Edwards, and a bogus 45 yd P.I. call on Will Allen. 27 points sounds like a lot, but the 27 the Jets scored were a lot easier to swallow than the 27 that Indy scored. The verdict: Offense played well, defense played, er, average.

    Week 7 vs. Nawlins. The score NO 46 MIA 34. The skinny: I’ve got to admit, I’ve watched this game 10-12 times, and I’ve only made it past half time 3 times. From what I’ve seen though, I think this was one of the defense’s best performances of the year. Now before you laugh and move on to the next thread, consider this: The D sacked Brees 5 times, picked him off three times, and forced him to fumble once. How many other teams took the ball away from Drew Brees 4 times last year? Zero. Those T.O.s are important not only for how they happened, but where they happened as well. Culver had a INT which he retuned to the Nawlins 5 yd line. Torbor had a pick at the Nawlins 19. Porter recovered a fumble at the Nawlins 15, and Nate Jones had a pick in the EZ to prevent a TD and give our offense the ball. Those plays set up TD drives of 5 and 19 yds, and a FG drive that started at the Nawlins 15 and went nowhere. Hard not to credit the D with those 17 points, and with the fact that Miami held a 24-3 lead until…Davone Bess fumbles before half time. The D goes out and stops Nawlins anyway, or so it seemed. Colston is tackled at the 1 with one second left, Saints have no time outs, half over. But the idiot side judge calls it a TD, and by the time the play is overturned, Nawlins is set up for a FG. Then the coaches, still smarting from the Jets two successful fakes, call time out and give Nawlins even more time to think, so they end up with a TD instead. Bad coaching and bad officiating, good defense though. Almost forgot, the reason it was 24-10 and not 24-7 is because of a 85 yd KR by Courtney Roby which gave Nawlins the ball at the Miami 15 yd line. D came out, forced a three and out, and a FG. So in essence, you could credit the D with setting up 14 first half points and not allowing any. But it’s the second half where things get really interesting.
    3rd play of the 2nd half, Teddy decides he wants to play volleyball instead of football, and tips a perfect pass to Tracy Porter who tips it to Darren Sharper who runs it back to the 1 yd line before Teddy, back to playing football now, strips him for a touchback. Except that the same idiot side judge from before calls it a TD and the idiot Ref decides he doesn’t want to show up his friend on national TV. So now its 24-17. Then the 3 and out parade starts (or continues) on offense. The next Miami possessions went something like this 3 plays-punt, 3 plays-punt, 3 plays-FG (set up by fumble recovery @ Nawlins 15) yd line 3), 3 plays-TD, 3 plays-punt, 3 plays-punt, 8 plays-pick 6, 10 plays game. If you’re counting at home, the game went from 24-10 Miami to 40-34 Nawlins without Miami’s offense ever getting a single first down. That’s gotta be a record of some sort. And even when they did finally get a first, Henne threw a pick 6 a few plays later. That’s 2 pick 6s, a fumble by Bess that led to a TD, and a KR that led t a FG for 24 points off turnovers and ST mistakes so in my book the D allowed 23 points. They also forced 4 turnovers that led to 17 for the offense. I’d call that a good effort vs. one of the best offenses I’ve ever seen and the eventual champs. All the while, the offense could put together a single drive to help the D get a breather. Nawlins stacked the box and blitzed every play and Henning had no answer. In a game where Miami needed to control the ball and shorten the game to have a chance, they did no such thing. Despite a 24-3 lead, we threw it 36 times and ran it 30. As a result, we gave the Saints 16 possessions, 18 if you count the INT returns. There’s not a defense on earth today who could face the Saints 18 times in one (hot) afternoon and live to tell about it. The verdict: Defense played well, offense did not.

    Week 8 @ NYJ. The score MIA 30 NYJ 25. The skinny: Another good performance by the D that was nearly squandered. The D was without Crowder for this game, but Torbor played well in his absence. The D was in bad field position for most of the first half b/c the offense couldn’t move the ball, but they held it together and its was 3-3 at halftime. The Jets go up 6-3 before Teddy takes one to the house, then JT takes one to the house, then Miami forces a punt and has the ball and an 11 point lead against an offensively challenged team. Until…Bess fumbles to let NY back in the game. Sound familiar? Then he fumbles again and I’m seriously wandering if the mob has a hold of one of his family members, but the side judge whistled the play dead, we caught a major break and cashed it in for the game winning TD. D made it interesting though, Vontae jumps a crossing route instead of just making the tackle, Chris Clemons is lost in space, and 60 yards later the Jets are back in the red zone. This game came down to the wire, but it really shouldn’t have. The verdict: Defense played well, offense played average.

    Week 9 @ New England. The score NE 27 MIA 17. The skinny: Hard to knock either side of the ball for this game, Crowder was out again, Porter played but he really didn’t, Soliai goes down, Vontae too. Jason Allen is manned up on Moss, this time with Brady and not Cassel at QB, but amazingly, Moss doesn’t score 10 TDs. Offensively, Pat White made his one play for season. Great pick, Ireland. Ronnie threw a TD, Ricky ran hard as usual. Teddy drops balls as usual. Typical stuff. New England was just the better team. The verdict: offense played well, defense, played well.

    Week 10 vs. Tampa Bay. The score MIA 25 TB 23. The skinny. The offense came out hot, went right down the field and scored. Then they took their foot off the gas. The running game was a force that day (200 yds), and just as they were about to put the hammer down, Ronnie goes down, fumbles, the Bucs have life and they made a game of it. And just as they’re about to put the hammer down again, Henne throws a bonehead pick and the Bucs take the lead as a result. To his credit, Henne bounced back and led the game winning drive, but it shouldn’t have come to that. Oh, and Bess fumbled again. The defense played well, but not great, Anderson forced two fumbles, Taylor scored his 2nd TD in three weeks, bad call but I’ll take it. The verdict: defense played well, offense played average.

    Week 11 @ Carolina. The score MIA 24 CAR 17. The skinny. Solid team effort, especially from the OL. Nate Garner was all over the place, both our centers went down, and Ricky still ran wild. His best game of the year in my opinion. Henne was clutch, Bess made a big time catch. Teddy didn’t drop any balls. A solid effort from the whole group. The D got off to a shaky start but they held it together and shut Carolina down for a most of the second and third quarters. Vontae and Sean were solid, Nate had a pick in the red zone, Ferg went down, his teammates stepped in nicely. Solid effort. The verdict: Defense played well, offense played well.

    Week 12 @ Buffalo. The score BUFF 31 MIA 14. The skinny: By far the hardest Fins game to watch. I’m still not over this loss. The offense was brutal. Wildcat pass from the 1 yd line when we’re gashing them in the run game? Dumbest call of the season, Henning. Screen pass to Lousaka? Holding on 4th and 1 Garner, really? Ricky was out of gas by the third quarter. Watch his carries in the first half, they all end with a bang. Beast mode. By the third quarter Ricky was on his way to the ground at the slightest hint that there might be contact. Pooch mode. Not having Ronnie was fatal in this game, it would’ve been a blowout if he was in there. Cant blame Henne for the three picks, his arm was hit one, and two others were tipped at the line. Tough breaks. The D played well w/ the exception of a couple plays, the Fitzpatrick 350 yd TD run was embarrassing, especially for the play side safety (Wilson) and the contain man (Porter). Is Torbor really that slow? The score was 14-14 deep into the 4th, then a great punt pins us down to the 3 and we cant move the ball. Bad punt/good return and the Bills end up with a FG, then the pick parade started and the D mailed it in. The verdict: Defense played well, offense did not.

    Week 13 vs. New England. The score: MIA 22 NE 21. The skinny: Probably the most surprising win of the season. Of course Vegas wasn’t surprised, they moved the line from Pats -5 to Pats -3 on Friday, just to make sure people put tons of money on New England, including me. Note to self, if the line looks shady, don’t bet it. But I digress. This was easily Henne’s coming out party, the game when I said, alright, we’ve got ourselves a QB. Henne carried the team, and he had to b/c Ricky was in bad shape. 50+ passes, some great throws, some bad balls, but only one bad decision, an air mail pick to Meriweather when he got greedy. Belicek sent 7, he sent 8, he sent 5, he sent 3, he tried man, he tried zone, and Henne just kept making plays. Bess had a great game, the OL protected beautifully, it was a total team effort on offense. The D had me counting my money for the first two drives, I thought NE -3 was in the bag. It was 14-0 before most fans even got to their seats. But after that the D stepped up, with the help of some bad play calls from NE. The Pats went up and down the field most of the first half, but give the D credit, they only allowed 21 points. Still don’t know how Sean gave up that TD, I guess that’s why we call him “No Picks” Smith. Vontae showed how a CB is supposed to act when the ball is in the air, take that Randy. The verdict: Offense played well, defense played average.

    Week 14 @ Jacksonville. The score MIA 14 JAX 10. The skinny: Another great game from Henne, and another game that shouldn’t have been close. The D was dominant for most of the game. Jones-Drew was held in check, which helped stamp out Jax’s play action game, and the DBs were like Velcro on Mike Sims-Walker and co. The game was close b/c Ricky fumbled three times, Bess fumbled (gerrrr), Henne threw a bonehead pick, and Carpenter missed a FG. The D was there to clean up the pieces each time though, so we got the win. The verdict: Defense played well, offense did not.

    Week 15 @ Tennessee. The score: TEN 27 MIA 24. The skinny: This was a very disappointing loss, not only because of the playoff implications, but b/c we outplayed Tennessee for so much of the game. Vontae started it off with an INT, with help from Crowder and Wilson, but we only got a FG. Then Ricky fumbles in the red zone, we settle for another FG, meanwhile Tennessee is getting to the 30 yd line and throwing TD bombs. Vontae got burnt twice, Wilson was giving it up like a drunk chick at a frat party. The D held it down in the 2nd half, they kept Tennessee off the scoreboard long enough for the offense to catch up. Two FG when we got down deep, a fumble in the red zone, a pick in the end zone, another pick when we had a chance to score before half time, another pick in over time to set up the game Losing FG. If it wasn’t for the turnovers and missed opportunities, we’d have won this game. The verdict: Defense played poorly, offense played poorly.

    Week 16 vs. Houston. The score HOU 27 MIA 20. The skinny: Don’t let the score fool you, this wasn’t a close game. The D didn’t show up for the game, and not just Porter, the whole D, with the exception of Yeremiah, was sleep walking. There was one play where Porter jumps off sides, then jumps back, there’s a screen going away from him to Andre Johnson… Sean Smith is in perfect position to make the play for a loss, there are 5 yds and no blockers between him and he ball, so he takes a few steps towards Johnson, then decides against attempting a tackle and stands in front of Dre waiting for a lineman to come and block him. Pathetic. Nate Jones actually did try to make the play but he went high and got run over. Terrible. Worst of all his Porter, all this time he’s taking a leisurely path down his angle, and throttles into a grandfatherly trot as Jones is about to make the tackle. Of course ones is run over and then Porter picks up speed, n the mean time, guys like Merling have sprinted past him. I’m so glad Porter isn’t on this team anymore. The D just plain sucked. But it had to be deflating to see the raucous crowd for the Tennessee game, play their butts off, then come home as playoff front runners to a stadium with barely 40,000 fans in the seats at kick off. And its not like the offense played any better. The refused to block Demeco Ryans, refused to execute, refused to make first downs, refused to protect the ball, and refused to score. Other than that they were flawless. In the second half Henne completed about 100 check downs and underneath throws vs. soft coverage and an uninterested defense. The defense seemed to have a sense of urgency, but really I think that Houston just called the dogs off. The verdict: Offense played poorly, defense played poorly.

    Week 17 vs. Pittsburgh. The score PIT 30 MIA 24. The skinny. Another game where the O came out on all cylinders and then struggled thereafter. The D looked uninterested in anything football related once again, only to spring to life once they had a comfortable two score deficit. Hard to grade either side of the ball, especially the offense where Pat White played QB for a few series. Greg Gumbel and Dan Dierdorf seem to share my opinion of White, at one point saying that “the forward pass doesn’t not seem to be in Miami’s arsenal” or something like that. Thigpen came in and showed equal flashes of brilliance and incompetence, and the D rose to the occasion right up until they absolutely had to have a stop, and then they fell apart. The verdict: Offense played poorly, defense played poorly.

    Summary: This is already approaching novel length so I’ll be short, when you go game by game its hard to come to the conclusion that the defense was the primary cause for failure last year. They outplayed the offense in the majority of the games, only the Indy loss can be placed at their feet alone. And even in that game, the O had a chance to win it with 3 minutes left before they made a mockery of the term “hurry up offense” and Ted Ginn, well he was just being Teddy. I’m not saying that the defense played great, or that the pass defense was horrendous, it certainly was, I just think the D gets a bad rap, and too much of the blame for why we were losing games. It took offense, defense and ST all working together to get to 7-9, so they should all get their fair share of the kudos. Just my two cents.
     
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  2. mommabilly

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    Look at those games, outside of the debacle in Buffalo, Miami was in a postion to win each and every other game on the scedule. Far better then not being in games at all, far better. Sparano is still learning as a HC too. With Nolan directing the defense all should see big changes and a new tude this year.
     
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  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    A lot of the problem with the Defense revolved around allowing quick scores, the offense would do it's job, hold the ball, put points up, and the defense would give up a score quickly.
     
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  4. Killerphins

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    first of all great breakdown GM.
    I always love reading your stuff. One of my favorites here. :up:
    Obviously giving up 390 points is not where you want to be
    thus the need to change the DC and the scheme
    the corners grow up and develop
    2010 will look different and younger
    we had to do that on D
     
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  5. djphinfan

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    misscomunication in the secondary, bad angles by one of our safety's on a consistent basis, and some real bad tackling by him as well. also linebackers who were slow and who could'nt play in the open field.

    Offseason plan, replace safety, replace all 4 linebackers.:yes:... done.

    How bout that Pod, if Dobbins starts, we will have 4 new starting linebackers..

    Thats funny man, I wrote that a long time ago predraft many times.....literally 7 new starting players...Starks at nose, Odrick at end, Clemons at safety, Misi at linebacker, Wake at linebacker, Dansby at linebacker, Dobbins at linebacker.

    Holy sh$# man...7?..lol, thats a trip thats gonna be fun to watch...at least we'll make those mistakes at a faster speed,. with more athleticism and with more physical impact.
     
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  6. Killerphins

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    you called all of that :lol:
    i may have understimated you DJ
     
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  7. padre31

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    Addition via subtraction.

    More like 3 new starters and Anderson and Misi and Edds see the field more.


    A lot depends on who picks up the defense the fastest, it appears to me Nolan will be running a complex scheme that favors fast learners over the athletically gifted only.

    That is reality though, the 08-09 Defense was blown up.
     
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  8. Wildcat23

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    How can this be a myth when our offseason has included exiling many players from key positions(porter, taylor, WILSON,more ILBs that arnt key), an influx in new blood on that side of the ball in Dansby, and Dobbins(not to mention the FS prospects they went after), along with a draft which was almost all defense, not to mention a new coordinator. Offense has added...Marshall and an offensive guard? Something tells me this staff knew what needed to be changed from last year.
     
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  9. djphinfan

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    just the 4 new starting linebackers part... everyone had the Gebril replacement, I think it was Adamprez and I, and probably some others, who had us taking 4 linebackers in the draft,...Dobbins was a happy bonus.
     
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  10. Killerphins

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    I spoke about change last season often especially at the end of the season
    all of it fell on deaf ears.... go figure
     
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  11. Big E

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    .........Dolphins are not....fish......
     
  12. Killerphins

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    coach speaks high on dobbins
    from the presser they have been interested for a while
    before the draft
    POA i don't have to say it
    with Dob. Nolan loves the math
    can we develop Edds as nickel LB?
     
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  13. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Good points. The defense still failed more often, and in those final 3 games the offense had some big comebacks, but the D put them in a big hole. A good defense can hold other teams back and ours couldn't. But of course it wasn't all their fault. However, the offense did score more points in 09 than 08[and should score more in 10]. They just need to turn the ball over less.

    And yeah, can't forget the huge soul crushing plays the defense would give up in like a minute, after a 7 minute long drive by the offense.

    Let's hope we are on our way to balance in 2010. Looks like it [on paper].
     
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  14. Fin D

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    I think the thing neglected in this is the Indy game. The defense didn't just play poorly. That was far and away one of the worst defensive performances in the history of the NFL. That game and that game alone is cause enough for a defensive overhaul.
     
  15. Larryfinfan

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    Thanks GM, nice read. I have to disagree with all the parts of your conclusion though (not the entire conclusion). I'm from the old school and if you D is giving up 24 pts or more on a consistent basis, you have a problem. If the D was not as poor as we think, why is there somewhere between 4 and 7 different starters from last year slated this year. The D was old and stiff. The middle of the field was open to virtually anyone, offensive linemen included... The playcalling was weak as well. The lbers and Ss, when in coverage couldn't figure out the right angles to take if they'd had protractors (for those of you who remember what they are)...Even then, when they got a pursuit angle right, they missed the tackle. Porter was leading a one man revolt and not playing the called D half the time. JT was doing what he could, but he's still a shell of the DPOY we had 3 yrs ago. Crowder had his normal, non-contract seeking year, albeit with some injury, again....Ayodele was slow and showed very little football smarts. Fergy missed half the year and his age is showing. Soliai had some good moments and some not so good moments. Starks had arguably the best year of any of our defenders. Langford was at least solid, but unspectacular. Merling's impact was up and down way too much. Some backup guys (Dotson, Johnson, Anderson, Wake) had some impact, but not enough. The secondary was wildly inconsistent, which you expect from having two rookie CBs. Wilson was....well, I won't go there, we all saw it for ourselves. Bell was just solid, not great but that may have had to do with the others around him more than him in particular. You can look at each game individually, but the same things come back at us as the season went along.

    The offense had it's issues, it wasn't just the D. It was boring and predictable at times and inconsistent. Two things stuck out to me. 1) When the absolutely had to move the ball, they couldn't always. 2) The big play was non-existent all season long except on STs. Henne should be better this year with the additions of Marshall and an offseason getting the starter reps. There are questions around the RB position. We are assuming that Brown and Cobb are coming back intact and on time for the season, but that is still an IF... We might be in for a long season if we expect Ricky to carry the load again. WR group is better with the obvious addition of BM, but is Hartline ready to take the #2 spot and do something with it ?? Where is the speed coming from ?? Fasano had a poor year last year. Part was due to injury. There doesn't seem to be anyone behind him, although I'd have loved to have seen Sperry get more reps. It's still a question though. The OL is again in flux. That may just be Sparano's way of doing things. They were adequate most of the year last year even though the RG position was spotty. On paper, our OL just might be better than last year, but that remains to be seen. And we've lost our one big play guy on STs in Ginn.

    So the analogy that the d played well enough last year is somewhat flawed. Not wrong, just not right either. The D didn't play well enough thru most of the season. Injuries played a big role in that, but injuries played a role in the issues the offense had as well. The interior of the D was atrocious.

    Steps have been taken to rectify some of this. Some remains to be seen. Overall, it looks brighter for the coming year because Henne is now getting the starting reps, we've upgraded the WR position, the OL looks better (on paper) and you have to figure that Brown will be back, if not in September, by October he should be full speed again. The rest of the offseason will be spent working on the TE position and figuring out who the returners will be.

    On D, there is more to do. The LBers have to come into focus. Who'll be the starting 4 and who'll be in the packages and who won't be here. The DL has to gel as well. The NT combination of Starks and Soliai has to be worked out. Can Soliai show the consistency yet that we need from him ?? The DE rotation has to be worked out, but it's pretty much set as of now with Langford and Odrick. Can Merling have an impact or will his off the field issues and inconsistent play so far be his ticket out of here ?? The secondary has to be figure out. Who's the FS ?? Can Allen come back and be as effective as he has been. Are Smith and Davis ready to take the CB spots permanently or will Allen slip back in there ?? Who is going to be the FS (yes, I purposefully asked that question twice) ?? This D will be different than last years'. With different starters at one ILB spot, both OLBs, FS, NT and DE. And that doesn't even bring up the Dobbins/Crowder battle that may ensue. A lot of changes to go thru all at once...at least it's all being done under the same regime, you could almost close your eyes and see this as happening under a new regime, which would make it even worse...
     
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  16. MrClean

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    One of my two pet peeves regarding the Dolphins, calling them fish. Leave that to ignorant inbred Bills fans to do. :tantrum:

    The other one btw is Phins fans spelling the names wrong of current or former Phins players. If one has an opinion they feel must be expressed about a certain player, at least take the time to be sure their name is spelled correctly. :angry:


    Other than that, excellent writeup Mr GM. :up:
     
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  17. SeanP

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    I personally have to disagree. There is really no excuse for the defense allowing so many 20+ point games. I read through your breakdowns, and I understand where you're coming from, but at the end of the day, the ball has to go through them. If they can't help the offense when its down, then they need to be revamped.

    Both sides of the ball have to work for the game to be winnable, and I'm not saying the offense had a pass because it screwed up a few times last year. But by and large a lot of our failures can be attributed to those quick strikes, and allowing some of the best TEs to literally ignore our linebackers and make plays.
     
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    The score may suggest otherwise, but I think that the Buff game was the game that we were in the best position win but didnt. We dominated on both sides of the ball, but it was always a dumb call, or a dumb penalty that bit us. IMO Buff didnt even show up for the game, they looked ready to lay down until our mistakes started happening and they realized they actually had a chance.
     
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    I agree the defense gave up too many big playes, but you'd have to agree that the offense was just as inept in NOT making any big plays. Teddy had a long rec vs NY, Hartline had one vs Nawlins, but other than that, the offense didnt make any big plays.
     
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    390 is a terrible number, and I'm not saying the defense played well, only that we werent losing games b/c of them. The offense failed to hold thier weight just as often, if not more often, and I think the blame should be spread equally.
     
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    I have nightmares about our front seven to be honest. 5 new starters, 6 if Dobbins replaces Crowder. A bunch of rookies and first time starters. Thats going to make for some serious growing pains early in the season.
     
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    GMJohnson New Member

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    Porter stunk, so he's gone. Taylor played well, but he's 65 years old, so he's gone. Ferg is 71 yrs old. Ayodele is old and slow as molasses, Wilson is a SS not a FS. I'm not defending these guys, but with the exception of Crowder, all of them are 30+ yrs old and past thier prime. Even of they'd have played well, replacing them would still have been a top priority. On offense, only Smiley and Ricky are past thier prime, Carey, Smiley and Grove were the only guys over 28. Its a much younger, and more talented group, but they didnt exactly dominate anyone besides Buffalo.
     
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    Try finding a noun that rhymes with "mammal" :lol:
     
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    The defense fell apart toawards the end of the season, I agree. But it wasnt just them. The O was stinking it up also.
     
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    Cant argue with that. I wasnt suggesting that the D played well, only that they shouldnt be the fans' whipping boys for the season. If you look at the unit as a whole, 2 rookies at CB, two SS and no FS, two WOLBs and no SOLB, two lead footed ILBs, I think its unreasonable to expect them to have played any better. The offense seems to get a pass for the lack or production b/c they lacked big play talent, well the defense was even less talented than the Offense in my opinion.
     
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    GMJohnson New Member

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    My apologies, I can assure it was typos, not mispellings. Glad this isnt ENC 1102 :lol:.
     
  27. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Lack of talent isnt really an excuse in my opinion. Our offense didnt create big plays b/c they lacked the talent to do it, most people seem to understand if not accept that. Well, the D lacked the talent to prevent big plays, but the level of empathy is nowhere near what the O gets. Pasqualoni was pigeonholed into calling the same defenses over and over, and b/c of our LBs inability to cover, our coverage schemes were predictable and flawed. That should change this year though, Im soooooo looking forward to it.
     
  28. funkdat

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    I go by the 21 point rule myself.

    Last year the defense gave up 21 points or more 12 times giving us only 4 real chances to win.

    At the same time the Offense scored 21 points or more 10 times giving us 10 real chances to win.

    So by my math that's 10 to 4. No myth in that.
     
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    I think your right, i can only see us stopping 1/2 the teams we play to under 21 if we are very lucky.

    Young D's take a few years to get good.

    Last year Denver only kept teams under 21 points 8 times, and 5 of the 8 were the 1st five games..............After that most of the teams they played had they all figured out.
     
  30. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Lets take a look at how bad this defense was when compared to Dolphin teams of the past 40 years.

    Only 2007 and 1986 did a Dolphin team allow more points than last years defense.

    That means last years defense allowed the 3rd most points in 40 years...40 years!

    Last seasons defense was one of the worst in Dolphin history...hopefully we can improve with the new additions and some subtractions
     
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  31. FinSane

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    The defense was in need of an overhaul. The regime knew this and has sought out renewing our D. The problem with the offense was not having any other playmakers besides Ronnie and Ricky. An offense made up of mostly average role players will not get you very far. Hopefully adding B.Marshall and improved offensive line play(giving Henne more time to pass and opening lanes for our RBs more) changes this.
     
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    I agree. If we ever want to be an elite team we have to be able to stop the power offenses in the league.
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Stopping them would be amazing. We would have won that game if our defense had just even slowed them down a little.
     
  34. FinsAreLife

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    Actually, they were in excellent position to win that game in buffalo. They had control for 3 quarters and you could sense it from being in the stadium as well. That 4th quarter collapse is easily one of the most embarassing moments ive ever endured as a dolphins fan being in that stadium.
     
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    That 21 point rule is out-dated. The average score has been going up every year. I believe it is now over 21 pts and closer to 22 pts.

    The other thing that has been going up is the average ranking of the SB defenses. And by up I mean the defense is less important. It used to be that the SB winners all had top 5 defenses. Then it went to top 10 defenses. Now the average is about top 12 or so over the last five years. And last year the SB defenses were 18th and 25th. Yes, the BS winning Saints were ranked worse on defense than us in almost every metric. The exception was getting turnovers, but that was in part due to the pressure their offense put on opponents to score making them one dimensional.

    As for the original point of this thread, I agree that our defensive talent wasn't as bad as many portray it as. I think the problem was mostly schematic. Now there were a few areas where the defense needed to improve talent wise. First, they had to get better at stopping the big plays. To accomplish that they needed a true FS who could stay back and be the last line of defense. They also needed to get better coverage players at LB. That's not going to stop the completions as even the best coverage LBs will allow 70%-80% of the passes thrown against them to be completed. And the Dolphins were actually tied for 4th best in the league on defense for 3rd down conversions. But they do have to make the tackles that will stop the big plays and the extra yards. That was what killed them. The Dolphins were among the worst in the league at allowing big plays. The other misconception was that our pass rush was poor. By just about every pass rush measure we were a top 10 - top 5 pass rushing team. Some people will claim we were inconsistent, but the fact is we were no more inconsistent than any other team. And most of those sacks came from players not named Porter or Taylor. Even replacing just a portion of those sacks will keep us a top 10 pass rush team. And since they didn't perform all that great, that should be fairly easy.

    IMO we addressed a large part of the coverage/tackling problem simply by replacing Ayodele with Dansby. I think more of that will improve with the healthy return of W. Allen and Crowder along with the continued development of Smith and Davis. Most importantly, the addition of Nolan should help with some of the scheme issues which I believe were the biggest part of the problem. The one area we didn't address was FS. That may still come but even if it doesn't I think Culver in a better scheme will be an upgrade.

    The offense had more talent questions. We simply didn't have enough play makers. Just like we were woeful at preventing big plays, we were equally woeful at creating them. Marshall should help immeasurably. As will the expected development from Henne and the other WRs. We have a talent deficiency at receiving TE which hasn't been addressed. We also lost speed with the Ginn trade that will affect not just the offensive spacing but the STs as well. Hopefully RGM can fill that void, but odds are that he's a year or two away, if he makes it at all.
     
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    Didnt this offense set some franchise record of most 30+ point games in a row last season? :shifty:
     
  37. unifiedtheory

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    The defense allowed the 3rd most points in TEAM HISTORY. Only once during the Olivadatti era did they allow more points. Spin it 1000 ways until Sunday, the defense was TERRIBLE.

    If you don't believe me ask Ireland and Parcells. They are the ones who brought in a new coordinator, used 7 of 8 picks on defense, made Karlos Dansby one of the highest paid linebackers in league history and blew out or looked to replace half the starters on defense.
     
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  38. huck1974

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    I stopped reading when I got to the Saints putting up over 40 but the D was good.
    Wow
     
  39. funkdat

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    rafael , lol how did you even know of my 21 point rule???

    If you say something i thought up as a 11 year old kid " in 1985 " is outdated, lol that's cool, but if it's SO outdated why does it still stand the test of time.

    It would go from 10-5 instead of 10-4 if it was 22 points whoopdedoo :)............But it's my rule and i'm not changing it lol
     
  40. FinFan316

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    I agree...and TS must have this fixed by this year. No more OJT, Tony. Hening was a head coach, Nolan was a HC....there is too much experience there to not understand basic clock management. He has to do better.
     

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