Very enjoyable read for anyone who grew up watching Dan and beyond. Interesting that Altman places Cleo Lemon at #5, but admits that he's ranked so high because of the one play that saved the Dolphin franchise from infamy. Here's his quickie rankings: #10-A.J. Feely #9-Damon Huard #8-Brian Griese #7-Sage Rosenfels #6-Joey Harrington #5-Cleo Lemon #4-Gus Frerrote #3-Chad Henne #2-Jay Fiedler #1-Chad Pennington http://bleacherreport.com/articles/402185-top-10-post-marino-dolphins-quarterbacks#page/1
Gotta disagree with Cleo at #5. He avoided history, but he also did a nice job in nearly helping to create it.
I think you can argue that he was better than A.J. Feely, Damon Huard, Brian Griese, Sage Rosenfels and Joey Harrington. In fact I do not disagree at all. The only reason I would want to disagree is the disbelief that he could be the 5th best out of 10. I do disagree with Fiedler ahead of Henne
Well, Damon Huard was actually here the same time as Marino, so if you go by his number's in 1999, he was the best out of that group.
Gus Frerotte was absolute garbage. All his stats were based on jump-balls to Chambers. Yet I can't argue against him being placed at #4. Ugh.............
I had two starkly contrasted memories when I saw AJ Feely's name. One was him hitting D. Thompson in the end zone to beat the Patriots. The other was from South Park where the gang is coming out of a store with trading cards. Kyle says "Dude, check it out! I got a Jake Plummer!". Cartman adds "Aw Man! I gotta crappy AJ Feeley again..." [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaYMpdBZuoE"]YouTube- How Does South Park Feel About Rams QB AJ Feeley?[/ame]
Cleo and Reggie Howard are my two most hated Dolphins. God, I HATED watching them two on the field. When that ****** Cleo missed the pylon, I'll never forget it. I wanted to strangle him lol.
The Lemon has to be ranked lower. Frerotte wasn't that bad of a QB and his ranking by the op looks correct to me. Feely doesn't deserve the 10th spot though. He is an underrated QB.
I think the point we're all missing here, and the saddest thing of all is that in the 10 years since Marino left, we've had enough starting QBs to make a top 10 list and leave off a few (Culpepper, Lucas, Green)
Man to me, the saddest thing is - take out the two on the list who are also still on the team and you're left with a bag full of d**kheads. And that's why the Dolphins have been crappy for the last several years.
Man, that's like trying to figure out who's the prettiest in an ugly girl contest. Except for Pennington (and, hopefully Henne), that's about as pathetic a group of has beens and never was's ever compiled. Sheesh.
1) Pennington 2) Henne 3) Fiedler 4) Frerrote 5) Huard 6) Rosenfels 7) Griese 8) Harrington 9) Lemon 10) Culpepper (anyone is better than AJ Feeley and his billion pick 6s)
Good God what a horrible list. Thank God for the two Chad's. Got to agree with the order though; Feeley is ****ter than Huard.
Just don't care too much for Bleacher Report. Our guys on this board give better commentaries and articles...if I want a non-media guys' opinion, I'll stay here...thanks for the info tho.... In time, this may change. Henne should grow to be #1, at least hopefully. Frerrotte....#4...Wow...From 4 to 10 you can just about rank them equally inept... The only two real QBs we've had are Penny and Henne. Fiedler gets an E for effort. All the toughness and heart you could want but inconsistent in his ability to read and dissect D's and his physical prowess as a QB (ie...weak arm, not toughness). Won some games, but mostly due to overachieving, not due to QB ability. Just good enough that none of the other bozo's that Wanny brought in could unseat him. Even if he's right, what a sad commentary on our QB situation since "the day the music died"....
Culpepper was a different situation...My guess is he only missed this list because he was never healthy enough to play for us. We never really saw him play healthy here, so it's tough to judge. Feeley was a round peg in a square hole. As with any WC qb that comes to a conventional offense, he struggled. They asked him to play to his weaknesses instead of to his strengths...but any way you want to look at it, he was another 2nd round draft pick we missed on....
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_e73yNAQGk"]YouTube- A.J. Feeley The Legend[/ame] lmao I still remember the butt-slap incident.
The list shouldn't be 10 people long... 5 tops. Heck, I've only enjoyed watching Fielder, Henne, and Pennington since Marino. Jay Fielder didn't have the physical tools like Henne, but he played hard and was tuff. I can't hate on the guy
OMG, I couldn't even watch the whole video. I had to cut it off after ~3 mins. I remember each and every one of those, and they still hurt to watch again. YEESH! But, I did like Fiedler. He had some hella big boots to step in for after Dan, and he didn't do too badly. We were still competitive for a few years.
This is more like it, good job. Though Fiedler did take us to the playoffs so this is based more on projection than performance IMO. Henne will be FAR better then Fiedler could dream of, but we had some decent years with him at QB and Henne has not taken us to the playoffs yet. Heck he hasn't even thrown more TD's than INT's yet.
Well, we didn't really have a "top 10 Qb's" after Dan Marino, more like top 7, and a slew of forgettable Qb's. This list should be approached like a test where your answer is not marked a incorrect if you don't fill in a blank. 1. Fiedler..he won a AFCE title same as Pennington, and more games overall as a phin. 2. Pennington, just on wins. 3. Gus Frerotte, we did go 9-7 with him. 4. Chad Henne won 7 games 5. I got nothing. 4 good Qb's in 14 yrs.
I thought Griese had probably the worst OL and left tackle ever, and that he should have been kept. Come to think of it, our o-line has been scrub central for QB's since Richmond Webb left. Oh god, did I just come up with an even worse top ten list than this one? I'd be hard pressed to come up with anyone past #3(current regime excluded) #1-Vernon Carey #2-Mark Dixon #3-Jamie Nails #4-Eric Barton(?) ?, ?, etc.
half of that list still had more defining moments for the dolphins than Henne has currently. After all, I have yet to see Henne put on a Sage vs Bills 2005 peformance. But like I siad, yet. I expect to be at least number two by the end of this year.
Don't laugh, I was going just by wins at Qb, tucked into that honor role of suckiness is the a 1-15 season and a 4-12 season, after Ricky Williams left this franchise went directly into a tailspin. Frerotte went 9-7, other than that there is a host of Qb's who won less than say 5 games, that makes Henne's 7 wins in 09 the fourth highest win total for a Dolphins Qb since Marino retired. The fact Dolphins Stadium doesn't look like Jax is a testament to how good the Dolphins Franchise once was under Shula and JJ and for a time, Wanny.
Here's Griese's starting offensive lineman in 2003: Wade Smith, Jamie Nails(not bad), Seth McKinney, Todd Perry, Todd Wade. Hi! I'm Wade, this is my brother Todd, and this is my other brother Todd...
I agree - Griese was never given much of a chance. Wannstadt was completely infatuated with Feidler and his ego wouldn't let him even consider that someone else might do a better job if given a chance. I always believe in giving credit where it's due. And I'm not one of those people who believe I could do better.....except I really do believe I could have done a better job of finding us a QB than Wanny did.
This is like a list of the top ten jobs that suck or the top ten times your girlfriend ****ed your brother or the top ten times you got pulled over for speeding or the top ten times you had a puking hangover or the top ten times you got kicked in the nuts or the top ten times the bill collectors called or the top ten times you stepped in doggie doo. Stupid ****ing list!!!!!!
I think Huard was screwed. He was the guy Marino endorsed to replace him. That said, Huard was nothing special and probably would not have been the answer, either. Truth is in 2000 we had two average-below average QBs competing against each other while the organization should have instead drafted Marino's replacement, either before he retired or after. Shula, JJ, Wanny, Saban are all guilty of this. I suppose you can throw Cameron in there since John Beck in no way should have been considered a potential franchise QB. The result is 10 years of mediocrity and worse, total collapse, which happened twice(2004 and 2007), which in between were bandaged by short term solutions like signing veterans on their last legs and by bringing in certain coaches(HC,OC, and DC) whose schemes could mask our team's flaws. Even in 2008 Parcells did essentially the same thing, but with a young foundation that was to be developed filling the depth as the main difference. This is the first regime that utilizes the draft rather than giving away draft picks. Wanny's downfall came about because the success of the Ravens in 2000 solidified this idiotic philosophy that a one-sided team can win the Super Bowl, despite the fact that the Ravens were a fluke that year. Not many teams have won the Super Bowl with a below average QB, a shoddy OL, virtually no passing game, and a bend but don't break defense. But Wanny was convinced he could do it. In the NFL you need all three phases to be effective. Even when he brought in QBs who were better than Fiedler, such as Griese, they were setup to fail in Wanny's system. Saban essentially thought his ego alone could get us into the Super Bowl and clearly we suffered just as much from his idiotic approach. Freotte I thought was a pretty good QB just not a franchise QB, we should have drafted a QB during Saban's reign and had Freotte as the veteran tutor. Culpepper might just have been a well-intentioned disaster, but still could have been avoided had we drafted instead of trading for a QB. Cameron tried to bring an Air Coryele system to an offense that for years was conventional and conservative, run oriented. Bringing in a veteran QB who was in a sharp decline in Green who was also coming off a serious injury and a relatively inexperienced rookie QB in Beck who literally was green, was a recipe for disaster. Adding to the continuous neglect of the OL and the past-aged defense, there literally was nothing Cam/Mueller did right in 2007. Parcells brought in Pennington who many of us did not want initially as it looked like a move similar to those made by past regimes. We even almost got stuck with Josh McCown as our QB. But the difference is this regime actually seems to be building the team with a young nucleus rather than band-aids and a self-invalidating ideological approach like the others. In fact I think we are exactly on course to where we should be in terms of building this team. We should have taken a step back last year in order to take a few steps forward this year. In fact there were many who predicted that would likely happen. Especially since we were worse than our 2008 record indicated. This year we should see some true progress. Despite missing the playoffs last year I consider it a success since we found out what we are and are not, where we are strong and were we are weak. Every position considered a weakness has been addressed aside from free safety and that may change soon, so you have to give credit. In conclusion, I think Henne with a supporting cast is going to be easily #1 on this list. The defense will still be raw this year, so that may hinder on his and the team's progress a bit. But Henne will show alot more progress this year, his ceiling certainly is high, and he has the will and talent to be a top NFL QB.
