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~The OFFICIAL 2010 NBA Playoffs Thread~

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by GISH, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. Finsanity

    Finsanity New Member

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    If you look at the lakers line. Kobe had a off game, Gasol shot under 50%, artest didnt do much, LO had a ok game and that was it. Fisher had good 4th qtr. Clearly wasnt a decent shooting night for the lakers. And still pretty much dominated the game. LA played good defense. Pierce aint going to do much with Artest.
     
  2. Section126

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    That is just not true.

    The Celtics have them in ppg defense.

    and anyway, just use your eyes. The Celtics perimeter defense is better and their interior defense has Proven to be better overall.

    The Only thing the Lakers do better defensively is defensive rebounding.

    IMO, the Lakers have the better team..but it doesn't mean the better team always wins a series.

    and if you want to get into defensive rankings...the Best TWO defensive teams in the NBA this year where Charlotte and Miami. Where are they?
     
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    BTW, on Pierce...it has a little to do with Artest...but come on, the guy is missing wide open shots.

    This is not 2004 Artest. This is the one that got lit up like a christmas tree by Quentin Richardson.
     
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  4. Finsanity

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    If you look at the players in the game. The Lakers have a defensive answer for the players on the celtics. Those stats dont show up on paper. Artest on Pierce, Fish on Allen, Bynum on Garnett, Kobe on Rondo. The Celtics dont have a answer for Kobe, Gasol, or Bynum.


    Edit: Call it what you want on Artest but he's doing a decent job holding Pierce in check.
     
  5. Finsanity

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    Well teams have to have some offensive weapons too. :lol:
     
  6. Section126

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    LOL. SO what happened to Fish in Game 2? His guy set a NBA record. Bynum guards Perkins. Gasol guards Garnett.

    The Celtics DO have answers for Gasol and Bynum. Garnett is a Hall of fame player and probably the best defensive power forward of all-time. Perkins might be one of the most underrated defenders in the NBA.

    Nobody has a answer for Kobe....or Lebron...or Wade....

    You are overreacting to one game.

    This thing will go long.
     
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    Anyway...if your argument is that the Lakers are the better team..I think you are right.

    if it is that they are the better defensive team...you are wrong...IMO of course.
     
  8. Finsanity

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    Game 2 a blind squirrel finds a nut eventually. Garnett has had one good half in this series and that about it. Bynum has switch to guard KG. Gasol has play good this series. 25-23-15 ppg shooting shooting over 50%. Bynum is in for defensive reason not exactly to score 20pts.
     
  9. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    I don't think the Lakers are better defensively but the gap has closed considerably since 2008 Boston isn't quite the same and the Lakers have improved enough that it's almost a split.
     
  10. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Funny you can only recall the 4th QT :rolleyes:
     
  11. Boik14

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    Here's how Pau gets KG and Big Baby in foul trouble....He was aggressive on offense and they had no answer for him. Big Baby isnt quick or tall enough to guard Gasol and KG was overly physical to the point that he was fouling. Simple as that.

    Agree with you on Kobe's slap and chop...hes been doing that for years. Ive realized theyre never going to call it. Star treatment all the way. But hes not the first nor will he be the last.

    Are there calls the refs have missed? Maybe a few, but I wouldnt say its been disproportionate. I dont think we are watching the same series bro. :sad:

    The NFL does not sit there and show every holding call or every penalty in general. No way. I know you cant say that with a straight face. The refs have been consistent for both sides. Its the players job to adapt to how the game is called. Just like in baseball its the hitters job to adapt to the strike zone of each umpire.

    As far as JVG...dont act like hes the only one. Every announcer on NBA broadcasts seems to back the refs on the air. But actions speak louder then words and JVG was never shy about giving his opinion to refs in NY or Houston. So deep down I think everyone knows the announcers always give a bit of lip service to the viewers regarding the refs.
     
  12. BuckeyeKing

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    The thing is though they weren't fouls they were ticky tack much like the calls the refs have been making this whole series.

    Thus the reason I'm not a fan of the Lakers. I don't think any player should get special treatment.

    IT has though. The refs have f'ed the Celtics early in each game only to make up for it in the 4th.

    Ray Allen got ****ed in Game 1, KG got ****ed in game 2, Pierce got ****ed in game 3. Kobe got ****ed game 2. Do you notice a theme here? Check this out the only Laker in foul trouble last night was DEREK FISCHER total fouls were 27-20 but that's after the Refs helped the C's out in the 4th.


    Trust me the Lakers are the beneficiary of these calls. I have yet to see a game where it has favored the Celtics. This series is all LA right now we'll see if Stern wants this to go 7.
     
  13. Section126

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    You are overreacting to one game.
     
  14. krypto

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    Then just stop watching the NBA and quit *****ing already. My God! Kobe did not come into league and start a "star treatment" trend. Instead of whining like one of those annoying first graders in public, how about you look up old videos and watch how star treatment existed back before you were born and realize the NBA didn't just start when you were born. When Kobe retires, the next superstar will get the calls. "If you don't like the show, change the effin channel". Simple.


    Are you really that ****ing ignorant? Seriously? You still fail to realize what got the Celtics to the NBA Finals?......TEAM BALL. Everyone kept pointing out the fact that there was a different high scorer for the C's for more than 10 games(not sure the exact number). The Lakers do not play team ball. The ball is just swung from one triangle to the next, or into the post, THEY DO NOT RUN SET PLAYS! So my point is the C's play a team game so when one guy goes down, someone else can step up. When Kobe goes down, that's cutting the head of the snake. Don't think for a second that Fisher could have pulled that off if Kobe wasn't on the floor demanding all the attention.
     
  15. krypto

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    Kirk Hinrich lol
     
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    Hinrich is great if they give him 15 fouls to give.

    Hinrich was the answer for about a 4 game stretch...till Wade heard somebody call Hinrich the "answer". LOL
     
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  17. vmarcilfan75

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    im not going to try and remember every bad call BUT youre the only non-boston fan/Laker Hater that i know that has said the calls are all going to the Lakers.

    On another board and even at work Boston Fans have been saying the Refs have been horrible on BOTH ends.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    With all the talk about refs, this game tonight will definitely be a blow out.
     
  19. Samphin

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    For all of the talk about the refs, I think the Lakers have shot a whopping 10 more free throws than the Celtics throughout the series. And Lamar Odom has more personal fouls than anyone else for either team with 15. SEVERELY hampering the Lakers best option off the bench.

    Point being, I think if you look at this series objectively, you will find that the foul calls are pretty even throughout. Now, I would prefer that the calls be for HARD fouls, as it makes for a more interesting game. Ticky tack calls are frustrating, but they have happened on both sides. I can recall plenty of horrible calls on the Lakers this series and vice versa.

    I have pegged the first three games in terms of who will win. I honestly have no clue about tonight. I think smart money is on Boston evening the series...but something just tells me that L.A. is taking game four as well before dropping game five.
     
  20. Samphin

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  21. Samphin

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    And besides...I think, more than usual, the announcers and television crews have criticized and SHOWN more replays of foul calls and non-foul calls than normal. At least it feels that way to me. I won't argue that these refs/league are somewhat crooked. I tend to believe a lot of what Donaghy said in his book regarding how they plan to call games, which, in itself is pretty damning.

    A foul is a foul and should be called as such, knowing that refs go into a game with a pre-determined way to call a game is scary as hell. Assuming you believe Donaghy, of course.

    But in theory, you could call holding on just about every play in the NFL, and probably some sort of illegal act on every possession in basketball. I think there is a lot of truth in what Doc Rivers said in the postgame of the last game. Way back when, there were two refs and now there are three, with sections. Meaning that a foul ay occur and one of the refs will see it, but it isn't in their "section" so they won't call it, while the person in charge of the section misses it. And Vice versa, the ref might see that no contact was made, but another whistle blows and they have to back the call up. The worst thing is the anticipation whistle, because the replay clearly shows no contact and that a person was out of control, yet the whistle was blown because the refs anticipated contact.

    Of course the super late call is almost worst. There really isn't a clear cut solution to the problem. Even cleaning house of the old guard and getting all knew refs doesn't mean the issues go away.
     
  22. Section126

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    Samphin...you better lube up....

    Cause the lakers are gonna get ****ed tonight.

    Not only will they get outplayed..(I think Celtics play their best game tonight)..but the Refs will make sure that the Celtics pull this one out.

    Then I think the refs will retreat and let the best team win the rest of the way in what will be a best of 3 series.
     
  23. Samphin

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    Its possible. Like I said, I really don't know which way to go with this game. I don't expect KG to come out and play the way he did in Game 3. I expect him to be gassed. But then again...I really don't see Allen going 0-for the game.

    And Pierce has been off all series after looking pretty good and giving a ton of effort against the Magic. Admittedly, I don't consider myself a basketball guru, but I get feelings and hankerings that tend to be right more than they are wrong.

    I knew for a fact that L.A. would win game three if they lost game two. They just weren't going to allow themselves to fall behind Boston (Boston, in my opinion, is better equiped to play from behind in a series than L.A.). Although I do sense a tinge of urgency and panic in the Celtics after game three. Just how they conducted themselves and reading between the lines of their interviews. Now whether or not that urgency and panic translates to better play is the key.

    I won't hang my hat on the refs, one way or the other, unless it is an egregious error. Doc Rivers complaining about the refs reviewing plays to make sure they got it right was a joke, and reeked of him being outcoached and whining about it to me. Kudos to Phil for knowing the rule book, exploiting it to his team's advantage and reeping the benefits (as well as heeding to calls going against him too from the very same rule).

    The prognostication of my friend Josh of Lakers in six...appears to be a good bet at this point. Either way, I can't see L.A. sweeping Boston in Boston and I can't see Kobe allowing Boston to win a game in L.A. with the championship on the line in game six or seven.
     
  24. Section126

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    BTW, you know what has gotten lost? How Inefficient Kobe Bryant has been in this series.

    It will be a shame if a 39% shooter wins the Series MVP.
     
  25. Section126

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    Of course..needless to say..

    I got Boston -4 tonight.
     
  26. Samphin

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    Yeah, he may win it by default simply because it appears that a different role player may step up in each victory for the Lakers. Pau hasn't been too great either.

    As a matter of fact, you could make a case that Bynum has been their most consistent player throughout the finals, but no way he wins it.

    I expect Kobe to finish above 40% and make the decision that much easier though.
     
  27. Section126

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    BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I love when a plan comes together...

    tonight's ref crew?

    Eddie Rush's boys! YES.
     
  28. Samphin

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    This may have changed my mind.

    Foster, Rush and Willard. Ugh.

    Willard was the genius who didn't call this foul against Utah.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un-V23QzfkM"]YouTube- 05-08-2010 - R2 - G3 - Lakers vs. Jazz - Wesley Matthews Fouls Derek Fisher But No Call (HD)[/ame]

    And Foster is...dirty. Plain and simple.

    http://www.faniq.com/blog/NBA-Ref-S...inst-The-Spread-In-Big-Money-Games-Blog-10294
     
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  29. Samphin

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    Then again...

    W-L totals for the 3 officials:
    Season:
    Lakers 16-3
    Celtics 6-15

    Playoffs:
    Lakers 8-1
    C's 5-4
     
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  30. Samphin

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    Hmmm. The funny thing is Celtic fans are hating these refs too. Apparently Rush is 5-5 in his last 10 games reffing Celtic game. Home games are 6-0 with Ed Rush reffing these playoffs.

    Its pretty funny to see both respective fan bases cursing the refs. I guess it goes back to not being able to blame the refs for the win/loss tonight...barring something outright awful.
     
  31. Mainge

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    Uhh, yes they do.
     
  32. Samphin

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    Also, as an update, Andrew Bynum may not play tonight. According to 710 ESPN Radio...Phil Jackson isn't sure if he will play or not. This contradicts Bynum form yesterday who said his knee felt back to normal.

    Not sure if it is a ploy or if its legit. But if Bynum is out, HUGE advantage for the Celtics. They have had their best runs in this series when Bynum has been on the bench.

    Can you tell I am pumped about this game tonight?
     
  33. FaninPatsyLand

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    After what happened in Orlando, I'm shocked that Rush got assigned to another Celtics game.

    Where amazing happens, indeed.
     
  34. Section126

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    You are a Celts fan right?

    It is in the bag. Rush is perfect for this game. he will let the C's mug the Lakers throughout and Rush basically refs the game however the home crowd wants.

    Besides...you have ME betting on your team tonight..so you know it is in the bag.


    I will go further...I will be SHOCKED if the Lakers won tonight.
     
  35. FaninPatsyLand

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    Obviously, I find it extremely comforting that you're betting on the Celts tonight.

    That said, Perkins better not get T'ed up.
     
  36. BuckeyeKing

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    That is a huge blow to the Lakers if he doesn't play tonight.
     
  37. High Definition

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    "Aside from flopping he doesn't really do much" - Doc on Derek Fisher

    I lol'ed. Honestly, **** Fisher & Gasol. Hate them both. All they do is flop. <3 Kobe.
     
  38. Samphin

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    Meh. They are professionals and do their jobs well. Fisher is in the top five in drawing offensive fouls and Pau is a Euro. Every team has people that flop. Look no further than Ray Allen in this very series for the Celtics. Its a part of the game, much like timeouts and three pointers. If you aren't trying to draw the foul, then you really aren't giving your best effort on defense.

    Besides, I would think Fisher's fourth quarter shots, and Pau Gasol's 20 and 10 in this series proves that they do more than just flop. Doc is being outcoached and crying like a ***** because of it.
     
  39. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    When did "taking a charge" start getting called "flopping" I know Vlade Divac was a "flopper" Fisher normally sets up and takes the hit giving up his body...Im sure he has some flops but I didn't see him "flopping" last game...jmo.
     
  40. High Definition

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    Nah, he's just "professional and doing his job well"... doing exactly what Phil Jackson does before every game, or after every loss in a series. (See: Kevin Durant complaints). It's a psychological game. Doc made those comments to get the attention of the refs, much like Phil Jackson.

    Also, IMO, there is absolutely NOTHING professional about flopping. Now that's what being a ***** is... flopping. I call Dwyane Wade's punk *** out when he does it, too. I hate hate hate hate flopping. It's cheating.

    Normally, foreigners do it more than anyone else. But Derek Fisher is up there.
     
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