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THE OFFICIAL MIAMI HEAT SUMMER of 2010 Thread.

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Section126, Apr 27, 2010.

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  1. High Definition

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    If he doesn't get it elsewhere and we strike out as far as that position goes, then I'd go for a two or three year deal.
     
  2. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm beginning to think the Lebron to Miami thing is real. I say this because SAS said he has sources from NY and CLE. He's a Knicks fan and NY native so I'm guessing his reliable source is from NY. Since SAS's declaration the Knicks have reportedly gone cold on Lebron and is chasing Joe Johnson and Amare. Perhaps his source is someone in the Knicks organisation who knows that Lebron has made up his mind. Then again...maybe it's all a smokescreen...oh man this is nuts.
     
  3. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    More hate from Pucher this morning on Mike & Mike. The douche is co-hosting. Again flatly stated that the trio would not win a championship and that Cleveland was a playoff team without LeBron :lol:

    But to make everybody feel a little warm and fuzzy this morning, I bring you this nugget from Frank Isola of the NY Daily News:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...ames_from_dream_team_in_miami_with_dwyan.html

    Isola not only confirms the LBJ/Wade/Bosh discussions but also quotes an unnamed free agent who stated that LeBron reached out to him 10 days ago to see if he would be interested in taking less to join the Miami "Dream Team"

    That time frames coincides with what SAS reported regardless of whether any summit actually took place or not.
     
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  4. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    If we sign all three and roll on to win six or so championships in the next ten years does ESPN implode?
     
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  5. SICK

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    god yes.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I do not believe Bosh will wind up in Miami, imho James will want the max and that requires a S&T, the bullet the Heat have is Beas, Bosh reportedly wants the max as well and head to head, I'd go James 10 times out of 10.

    The other thing to keep in mind is the assumed 6yr contract may not be what happens, a 3 yr deal makes more sense for both Bosh and James.

    In some ways, I'd like to see the Heat skip on Bosh and sign 2 or 3 players who can fill out the roster.

    Wade/James/Pierce/Boozer would be a better lineup than Wade/James/Bosh/2 dudes.
     
  7. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I think they just roll with it. ESPN loves a winner, and large market teams. The Heat would be both with the trio.



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  8. schmolioot

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    I don't disagree with you at all, and if the Jackson sources are correct, and it is Bosh who is waffling, I'd be more than happy to have Wade and LBJ move on and just pick somebody else.
     
  9. padre31

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    The other thing I'd like about adding Pierce along with James is they are winners, they know what it takes to win in the playoffs.

    As for Dirk..no thanks, dude is Rik Smits Jr, without the physicality.
     
  10. Caps

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    I 100 percent disagree with that comparison, no offense of course. Dirk could be Wade's Gasol, only a better shooter.
     
  12. gunsmithx

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    So it starts...
     
  13. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    He needs to STFU with this leak... Lord knows the last thing we need is a bidding war for Bosh.
     
  14. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Its a sign and trade where both parties are helping the other. Bosh gets the max to go where HE wants, and Toronto doesn't flat out lose him. There can't and won't be a bidding war.
     
  15. padre31

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    That makes no sense if Lebron James is going to sign in Miami.

    Unless LJ will take much less money to play in Miami?
     
  16. schmolioot

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    Don't recall LeBatard breaking news before but it sounds reasonable. Only reason to trade Joel and Chalmers in addition to Beas is if you know you've got the shot at LBJ and want to give each guy the full max.

    My only question is why tampering would be an issue? Bosh is still a Raptor until midnight. Why couldn't the S&T be agreed to at any time? Certainly Miami and toronto can discuss players that are still under contract, no?
     
  17. schmolioot

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    Dan Gilbert has fone on record saying he won't participate in any S&T. He says that now, but we'll see what happens when push comes to shove.

    You could still do a S&T for LBJ. A first rounder, cash, additional picks, whatever, really.
     
  18. padre31

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    Well, once it made it to a S&T then the bidding is wide open, all of the teams that can take on a max contract can make a run at LJ and the whole thing would drag on for weeks.
     
  19. schmolioot

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    Not really. LBJ would make his choice and then CLE and that team could work a S&T. The player has all the leverage, if he is willing to walk and give up the 6th year.

    The only way the team gets any leverage would be if LBJ said, "I'll go to CHI/MIA/NYK. work out the best deal for yourselves and I'll agree to it", which is not going to happen. He will be in full control of his destination.
     
  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    You're giving the trading team way more power than it has. It isn't like that at all. Lebron wouldn't sign and say trade me anywhere. He signs on the condition he gets traded to a specific, or one of a few teams.
     
  21. padre31

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    Sure, the player has a veto power over any S&T, the difference is if the player wants to use that process then they have to wait until all of the offers cycle through, and even then the players fmr team can simply turn down an offer and the player then loses 30 million dollars on their contract.

    ESPN's NBA coverage is beyond lame..
     
  22. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    I tried to go back a few pages but didn't see anyone talking about Bosh refuting the rumors of he and James in Miami -

    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/30/1707168/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sLjAL86C
     
  23. schmolioot

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    What's he going to say?

    "Sure we all discussed it and we're all taking a little less money, but please don't report it yet."

    I'm not saying that the trio is going to definitely happen but I don't look at the Bosh quote as being the end all be all of the issue
     
  24. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Agree it does not put an end to it - but he didn't have to say ANYTHING. He could have easily said, "We haven't made any decisions yet" or something along those lines.
     
  25. schmolioot

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    Fair enough.
     
  26. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I have some good info.

    I am typing it up and sending it to my source so he can filter it.

    When he sends it back..I will post it.
     
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  27. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Why do you say that? Why would a S&T for Bosh, while unloading the rest of our cap hinderence... prevent us from giving the max to Bron?
     
  28. padre31

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    The player's original team can offer more than a signing team can FN, that is why S&T happen, the player has a larger contract, the original team ends up with something for losing the player.
     
  29. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Right... I get that.

    So, you are saying this b/c you feel its going to take a S&T in order to land LeBron then?


    If thats the case... then we disagree...

    They can offer more money b/c they can offer an extra guaranteed 6th year on the contract. Bron isnt going to have trouble landing a new max contract after ours would be over in 5. Plus, hes going to make an insane amount of money off the court when dominating and winning championships...

    Bosh on the other hand isnt going to make much off the court, which is why Bosh wants a S&T. Bosh needs every penny he can get...
     
  30. padre31

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    We'll see FN, I could be wrong however all of the "Lebron loves Cleveland' stuff, if true would seem to point to a desire to not just leave the Cavs high and dry.
     
  31. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    IMO... Cleveland is more ****ed if they do a S&T, b/c they are going to take a bunch of bad contracts and such back... which will only hinder their rebuilding ability...


    They are better off letting him walk IMO... b/c they wont have ANY leverage... b/c LeBron is going to choose where he wants to go. If CLE wants something back so they arent left "high and dry", they are going to have to take what they can get from Bron's desired team...

    And in that case, I think they are better off w/o the S&T...
     
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  32. rafael

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    That's not what happens. Offers don't cycle through. Once the player says he wants to go somewhere, the team doesn't waste time negotiating deals with various teams. They just negotiate with one team.

    And sure the player would lose the higher amount of salary, but for a player like Lebron it's a drop in the bucket. Lebron makes at least three times his salary from his endorsements. He'll give that up to go to the bigger International market in Miami and with the buzz surrounding the 'super friends" will make it up fast. And if he believes he'll start winning championships, which is the whole point, the $30 mill won't matter. With a player like Lebron the player is the one with far more leverage.

    But really, I don't think Lebron leaves in a sign and trade. I think he'll just sign in Miami or Chicago. IMO it's really just about which team gives Lebron the best chance to win multiple championships. And it should be b/c that's what will drive his endorsement dollars especially overseas. The vast majority of his income comes from his endorsements and that can continue for 20 or 30 years after he's done playing if he gets those championships.

    Bosh is the one who wants a S&T. He doesn't get all that endorsement money. For Bosh, his salary probably is the primary source of income.
     
  33. HardKoreXXX

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    I think you nailed it.

    I do think that if Bosh ends up as part of 'The tHrEAT' (just testing that one, no? ok then) he'll see some more endorsements. Toronto is just a black hole when it comes to that type of stuff.
     
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  34. Finfangirl

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    this is soo much more fun than reading about "how sparano toes the line"!
    :up:... Seriously though, i love the information you guys bring, i think i have talked my parents into getting HEAT tickets today, before everything goes down.
     
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  35. rafael

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    He'll certainly have more marketing opportunities outside of Toronto. I just don't know enough about him to be able to guess at his marketability. I've seen him play, but I can't say I know what his personality is like. His play style certainly isn't as eye catching as Wade or Lebron, but not many outside of Kobe are.

    I think that if he came to Miami with Wade and Lebron and the championship plan succeeded, he would be thought of as Pippen was to Jordan (Wade/Lebron). I don't know how many marketing opportunities Pippen received or sought. He was a great player, but a really ugly dude, LOL.
     
  36. schmolioot

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  37. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I am reading through what I can post..and will post it. So 30 minutes or so.
     
  38. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This man knows how to tease a story. He should give Mike & Mike lessons
     
  39. padre31

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    None of which precludes the Original Team from approaching the player with a proposed S&T, the player can reject the offer, but the team can still make the attempt.
     
  40. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Breaking NEWS:

    The Heat re-sign Joel Anthony!!!
    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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