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The official 2010 world cup soccer thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by finyank13, May 21, 2010.

  1. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    They had a player, might have been the guy ejected I can't remember, who had a real good habit of running over players, taking them down, etc and he never got called on it. I don't mind physicality either, but like I said the dutch were bordering on straight dirty play.
     
  2. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Also, women's soccer and women's basketball regardless of moments of #1 clearly have failed when it comes to holding the attention span.

    And Womens Gymnastics (even Mens to a degree) every 4 years with Olympics is a great parallel to World Cup Soccer...folks will tune in and give those a go (same with Figure Skating per the Nielson Ratings, etc) but they arent doing it each week looking at a schedule saying, damn Harry, cant wait to see how we do on the Floor routine this week vs. Salt Lake, etc.

    Every 4yrs has proven to be the level of interest and every 4 often show the same folks shaking their head about the SUBJECTIVE scoring of Gymnastics or Ice Skating, etc with Olympics....and same with watching all the flopping and low scoring with Soccer and thinking;"dont get it - guess I will try again in 4yrs"?
     
  3. emeraldfin

    emeraldfin All I've got is insane

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    I understand that and I would bet that is why he didn't give a red, but you cannot call a game differently in a final to that of any other game. If you do that, then you have an awful game like we had tonight. The ref by not calling the game the way he should actually ruined the game. He allowed the Dutch get away with consistently awful challenges.

    If refs are going to start calling game differently just because its a bigger game, then we will never see a good final again.
     
  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    when we get this at our soccer games it will become more popular [​IMG]

    unfortunately we get this

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  5. MikeHoncho

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    No lie: Scrolling down was the fastest boner-kill in my entire life.
     
  6. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I think Soccer is fast (its not SLOW and methodical/Plodding) - it has a set TIME LIMIT (thats rolling..hahahaha)....it lacks scoring chances and size of field permits a 4 corners D, but its mostly the falling and flopping and yellow and red card subjectiveness - clock keeping subjectiveness (forget about missed calls negating goals, etc).

    Its been around a long long time....doubt the rules will ever be corrected to improve it...but sure wish they would do what many "experts" are saying they should do when it comes to use of replay or electronic aides.

    Its not rugby, I get that...but it could cleanup the on field flopping and would improve it.

    Do you do that by adding more refs? Replay on instances to prove ZERO contact or add a concept like Football with "incidental contact" or something?

    Blowing a goal call just hurts it % wise cause there are often so few chances...I dont know all the things that can be done...but it has a blackeye - maybe it doesnt care. And if so, actually, thats cool by me. If so, so be it.
     
  7. MikeHoncho

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    I never miss a Women's beach volleyball game...


    ...ever.
     
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  8. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I'd totally smash the soccer mom.
     
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  9. Firesole

    Firesole Season Ticket Holder

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    I think you need to come up with a better word other than "wimpiness". World class soccer players are far from wimpy. I wouldn't call the action of flopping to look for a free kick or penalty wimpy either. It's just part of the game, plain and simple. It has gotten worse over the years, but in reality it is no different than an NBA player who CONSTANTLY is looking for every call to go his way.

    You keep referring to moments where a player flops who didn't even get touched. Well, in reality that hardly ever happens. Most of the time they are flailing around on the ground just trying to make the little bump seem like it was really alot worse. And in reality it doesn't even sway the referee one way or the other. If anything it just pisses off the casual fan.


    And your earlier comparison to baseball, the physicality of breaking up a double play, crashing into the catcher at home plate compared to the physicality of soccer is still ignorance IMO. Yes, I've played both sports, as well as a lot of basketball and football, and the nothing is more physical than soccer except for football. IMO, there is no game that takes more talent to play than soccer.
     
  10. MikeHoncho

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    Be my guest

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    I wouldn't hit that with someone else's *****.
     
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  11. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I and many others would and have. Its not a manly action...its not, sorry!
     
  12. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Lots of things would help soccer. The main thing in the US is the inability for the MLS to get bigger names. Another thing would be to grow the leagues in middle america.
    If the US either A) Wins a major tournament B) turns the mls around, it will be popular again even with the flopping.
    The blown calls that happens in any sport I don't buy that argument for a second. I would like to see some sort of replay as well.
     
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  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think the US needs one homegrown superstar. we have good players but we dont have a great one. was hoping freddy adu would be that guy but he's nothing special so far. if we ever get our own version of Pele or Beckenbauer then I think you will see the sport catch on
     
  14. Firesole

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    How "manly" is it to kick dirt on an umpire's feet or to argue with an umpire whether or not the pitch is a ball or strike?

    How "manly" is it for a football coach to yell in the sideline officials ears constantly asking them to watch such and such player for holding, etc?

    How "manly" is it for an NBA player to constantly complain about getting ticky tack fouls?

    All of these things are tactics that are employed by players/coaches in order to sway an officials point of view. Plain and simple. Its a part of the game, get over it.
     
  15. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    :lol:LOL...I am over it...are you?....its a fact that this WC showed a huge wimpyness factor! You can be ok with it....I see where it needs to improve, and hope one day it does.
     
  16. MikeHoncho

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    How manly is Paul Pierce?
     
  17. Firesole

    Firesole Season Ticket Holder

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    If he wouldn't have survived all of those stab wounds, I'd call him a *****! LOL



    I HATE THAT GUY!
     
  18. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    You wont find Basketball high on my list....never would argue that point. :hi5:
     
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  19. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, I'd guess I'm a typical American sports consumer because after the US lost, and the Ref's calls just got worse, and more flopping than a hooked trout does on shore, I said ta hell with it and didn't bother watching the Semis.

    Will not bash the sport (though I have heard it compared to a Twilight film, two hours long, no one scores) as the athletes are in amazing condition to run for that long with both quick bursts and long jogs.
     
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  20. daphins

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    Your examples of Football and baseball are arguing with ref's. That will always happen, and I have no issue with that.

    What you just listed about the NBA is the reason why I don't watch professional basketball. You have a few star players running into a crowd flailing their bodies and getting calls. Jordan's star power ruined basketball in a lot of ways. It's become a me sport where refs give stars preference to the studs. I see players who are there for a paycheck, and don't care about the game. It's a joke in my eyes, and I can't stand to sit through a game.

    Soccer is quickly becoming that to me. The Ref's had WAY too big of an impact on the games in this world cup for it to be considered anything less than tainted. Non-goals, early ejections, phanton offsides. It was BAD. For someone who followed the trials for the past 4 years, it's insulting to see refs determine winners on the worlds biggest stage. It an insult to the fans.

    Furthermore the player flopping has gotten WAY out of hand. Go back and watch the game, and count how many times a spar for the ball DIDN'T end up with a player flopping on the ground, or holding out his hands screaming to the ref. Soccer's not a wussy sport, but the conduct was absolutely embarrassing. Today we had a GREAT break by a player with who was fouled during a one on one with the goalie. He was PUNISHED for trying to finish off a goal. Later in the game a Spanish player took the flop in a similar situation, and was rewarded with the red card, and in all probability the win.

    What's happening in soccer is threatening to drive fans such as myself away. Just to clarify I AM a soccer an, have been for quite some time. I've been to countless Chicago fire games, and stood in line for 10 hours to get tickets to the Roma/Manchester UEFA cup semi final game 5 or so years ago. I AM a fan.

    I can sit through a game of sloppy passes, I can sit through a slow game, ties, etc. Soccer is built in such a way that sometimes a tie is win, 0 goals is ok. I can reconcile myself with that.
     
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  21. MikeHoncho

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    They're called doctors/surgeons. He's still a puss.
     
  22. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Thats my point.:hi5:
     
  23. Firesole

    Firesole Season Ticket Holder

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    I agree with this post 200% I do think FIFA's officiating was horrendous at times. Even though the flopping is starting to get out of hand, I still love the sport and will always respect the players who play it. There isn't a harder game to play IMO. Not even golf.
     
  24. giovafin

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    What I meant about "high risk game" was Holland was playing with all their defenders with yellows and sooner or later someone was going to be ejected (Heitinga), giving advantage to a very talented team. :)
     
  25. King Felix

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    ramos, alonso, and casillas!! also bench warmers albiol and arbeloa, i'm very happy for them..

    i missed the game tho
     
  26. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    thing is, a lot of the things that turn off the US sports fan from soccer are some of the same things the rest of the world likes and appreciates.

    soccer is simply not the made-for-TV dynamic of the NFL. i mean, the timing of matches makes absolutely no sense from a current perspective.

    in a lot of ways it is similar to the old sport of baseball that people are tuning out. there is nothing for americans to "discover" about soccer. the fans will come around when the local level of play rises...and it will eventually. turn on an MLS game and watch how dreadful the level of play is at times. there isnt even scoring to make up for it like in other sports. you can stand 22 talented guys that cant score but 22 guys that arent that good that cant score is awful

    thats the inherent "problem" with soccer (from an average american POV). the nature of the game and lack of scoring encourages diving and faking. look at robben's run today toward the end of regulation. if he just falls, he probably would have had puyol sent off. but he instead stays on his feet and doesnt score. theres not a lot of motivation not to dive

    theres not really a comparison to the NBA (even though the NBA has turned into a joke) because free throws are only a portion of how a team scores...20% or so of total points. a penalty kick can often be 100% of total points.

    i dont go crazy over these things because thats the sport, take it or leave it.
     
  27. Da 'Fins

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    I can't see how anyone can blame any of this on the referee. He did a pretty good job in an incredibly difficult game to officiate.

    If there were difficult calls that the referee had to make and sometimes failed to make - that rests in the Dutch camp.

    The Dutch instantly made it a dirty game with hard, late, and unnecessary tackles; often in the middle of the field. It was obvious that this was their strategy. They also knew that though they would accumulate yellows it would be difficult on the referee to throw someone out for a red in this game and they, in their lack of integrity, chose to go that route.

    De Jong's Kung Fu kick to Alonso should have been a red and would have in virtually every other match - on any level. The ref gave the Dutch a totally free pass there.

    If the Dutch go down to ten men for the next 60 minutes - their offensive breaks would have been very limited; they never would have even made it to the Robben situation.

    Comparing this to the Germany-Spain semifinal, it was night and day. Germany, though playing very good defense, also played the game with integrity. The Dutch chose to play a stupendously bad game and they got what they deserved.
     
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  28. emeraldfin

    emeraldfin All I've got is insane

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    Van Bommel and De Jong should have been sent off in the 1st half. Sneijder also could have been sent off for an awful challenge. Heitinga should have been sent off in the 2nd half along with Robben.

    The ref allowed Van Bommel and De Jong get away with some over the top challenges. If the ref had of sent of one of them in the 1st half, then that type of play does not persist. When players begin to realise they can push the boundaries and not get punished, then they will take advantage of it, especially when they play aggressive.

    Heitinga had numerous fouls in the 2nd half and did not get sent off until the 2nd half of ET. Robben, who was already on a yellow card was allowed kick the ball away 10 seconds after the whistle was gone. Xavi did the same thing 10 minutes later and got a yellow card for it.

    Ref's are there to protect the players and uphold the rules of the game. Last night Howard Webb did not do that because he did not stamp his authority on the game and was afraid to send off players when they should have been.
     
  29. emeraldfin

    emeraldfin All I've got is insane

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    This I found hilarious

    http://www.skysports.com/football/world-cup-2010/story/0,27032,12021_6256679,00.html
     
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  30. MikeHoncho

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    Talk about losing with grace :pity:
     
  31. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    then you probably shouldn't have been calling it soc her as it muddys the waters on your point.
     
  32. unluckyluciano

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    Ill be rooting against the dutch from here on out. Its one thing to become dirty a whole other thing to take no responsibility for it. F them.
     
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  33. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Nope, if you are going to flop and go down like a girl....you earned the label of SOC HER for those actions...disgraceful - conduct unbecoming. You reap what you sow...they sowed it big time this WC.
     
  34. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    then we are back to you calling out the masculinity and not the conduct. :knucks:
     
  35. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I am fine with you not agreeing, based on those actions, they are intertwined with each fall/flop/mouth agape/whine/death scream...no two ways about it....SOC HER is the perfect discription for those moments.

    If you feel that taints the entire roster thats up to you (it taints the sport for sure and especially those that think this is how to properly conduct themselves)....as stated earlier we can agree to disagree but I am comfortable with my view and opinion of these actions - and I can separate it from the claiming the players arent great athletes or best conditioned, etc.

    If you act like a girl....dont get offended when called on it!
     
  36. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    You cant see how the sport is not a wussy sport...but the actions can be??? I can, easily.

    Rock climbing is not a wussy sport/activity...but holding onto the rope, shaking and saying you are going to wet your pants while 3 ft off the ground is! That the equivalent of a flop when not injured and you are trying to TRICK the outcome....come on....Man Up!
     
  37. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    hmmmmmmmmm I have no problem with saying it is girlie, I guess I don't know a lot of women that just fall on the ground, during those moments.
     
  38. alen1

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    Howard Webb is an awful referee. I've watched him manage Arsenal games in the PL and every single fixture, it is FULL of cards. Its crazy and he's so inconsistent.
     
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  39. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    So what are we arguing over? It is girlie - agreed...and worse, you agree even women dont attempt to do that...:lol:...so when men act like that, it clearly the lowest of the low.:hi5:
     
  40. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Here here, to a fun World Cup....too many one goal games however, and things need to get better admin wise with FIFA, they certainly ran a very poor event.....all in all it was a good tourny....and certainly nice to make the time go by in route to Week 1....

    Thanks for all who came on here, and taught me alot, about the game, and players...I played all the way up until I was 22 from 5 years old, and you can never get enough knowledge....Many thanks to the guys overseas sharing their viewpoints, and the guys here, like Section, HD, BDH, alien, and lucky etc as well....

    Lets hope the US keeps on improving, and I will see you guys in 4 years......HD, I am serious about going to Brazil in 2014, so we should keep in touch about this from time to time....
     
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