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****Official 2010 New York Yankees Thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by BigDogsHunt, Dec 7, 2009.

  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I don't know BD, I know Vazquez was bad in that series against the Red Sox but after Game 4 every Yankee was. I think if you ask the average Yankee fan they don't know Kevin Brown started Game 7, not Vazquez. I do think Javy gets too much blame over 2004 and do think he was treated a little unfairly by the fans this year.
     
  2. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Kinda like Ortiz was in the beginning of this year.....
     
  3. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Yes and no. I think there were legit concerns with Ortiz (and think there still are) and he was pretty pathetic in April, coming off of his worst year in 2009 after a bad finish to the 2008 season, and I think the whispers of him being released weren't unfair. He did hear some boos but it wasn't a full out hate fest for the guy. I don't think anyone in baseball thought he'd put up the numbers he did from May on after watching him the first 3 months of 2010. I admit I was really down on him in April but with good reason. With Vazquez, the guy's first game at YS this year he pitches poorly and gets boo'ed off the mound so it's not really a fair/close comparison.
     
  4. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I think they clearly know exactly what transpired at the end of 2004 reg season, and the playoffs...Vazq was brutal. Nothing to sugar coat or gloss over...putrid, brutal, goat of goats.

    He sucked vs Min in the clinching game 4 Div Series win and was fortunate to be bailed out by Ruben Sierra and bullpen - he was a goat in the waiting....Yanks properly buried him and tried to avoid him as best they could following the end of regular season.

    He sucked in the Game 3 win in relief of shaky Brown in ALCS and if not for 18 runs that day, he would have been deserving of goatville once again. Brown will never escape his own wrath of horribleness for his stint, and neither should Vazquez.

    Then in infamous game 7 you give up Grand Slam on your first pitch once again in relief of putrid Brown. Nope, no doubt he has EARNED the wrath of every Yanks fan (average or diehard) that holds those moments in proper perspective. He goated-it big time.

    From opening day to this point, he is the only starting arm that concerns me come Playoff time this go-round and I fully expect him to have self-inflicted pressure as we get closer and closer and he knows just how crappy he was in similar situation. I am happy he has turned it around to date and as long as he is in pinstripes I will keep fingers crossed that he doesnt let the moment overcome him...but for sure he will have the weight of that on himself and for those fans that will claim "I told you so".
     
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  5. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Vaz wasnt just bad for one game in the beginning, he wasnt good, like Ortiz for the first month plus.....
     
  6. Ray Finkle

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    Fair enough, maybe if I were a Yankee fan I'd feel the same way you do but I just think Vazquez (as bad as he pitched) gets too much blame for losing that series. Like I said after Game 4 no one on the Yankees played well. It truly was a team effort in the series. Is Vazquez more of a goat than say Mariano Rivera, Tom Gordon, Jorge Posada or Derek Jeter in that series? Granted Rivera had good numbers in that series but he did blow 2 games.

    Right but the fans were looking for anything that Vazquez did poorly to jump on to boo the guy. Why boo the guy after the first start of the year? Ortiz didn't get boo'ed after his first 0-4 game. I'd be willing to bet that Vazquez could have a great month and if he two bad starts in a row in August/September at YS he'd be boo'ed. The fans just don't like the guy.
     
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  7. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Yes! Sadly, our BATS went brutally cold following those 18 runs - our clutchness took a dirt nap in 4, 5, 6, and 7. The 4 pitch walk to Millar was the low point for Mo, for sure. Agggghhhhh, stop making me re-live this.:lol:


    Its the Yankees way...you earn/perform your way out of the crapheap, always should be that way. Cant cut the mustard, get out!

    Its not the GUY, we are consistent, its the performance. Shape up, or ship out. God I love being a Yankees Fan!:up:
     
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  8. Jt0323

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    If the Yankees pitched out in 04 then we would not be having this conversation. Arod sucked in 04 and so did everyone else after game 4
     
  9. finyank13

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    On a totally unelated subject....mindwrap on your sig...is classic, he looks like a bent caveman..
     
  10. finyank13

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    The FAN is reporting Steinbenner died at 6:30 this morning, sad sad sad...he also deserves his own thread...
     
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  12. Ray Finkle

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    There's word going around that George Steinbrenner died this morning. If true it's too bad, I know he was in poor health the past few years and hasn't been around the team at all but it is a sad loss.
     
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  13. Lab3003

    Lab3003 Golden era

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    My condolences to all Yankee fans


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  14. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Yup, earlier this morning.....First Shep, now King George....1 more and its the all to often 3's they speak about.......Yankees kingdom is suffering with these stories.

    Long live the King.....Long live the King....Long live the King!:wink2::hi5:
     
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  15. Ray Finkle

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    If I'm Yogi I'm in crapping my pants inside of a plastic bubble somewhere.
     
  16. azfinfanmang

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    Look on the bright side.
    He won't be firing anymore managers. :up:
     
  17. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Me thinks the Yankees just got motivation with this and Bob Sheppard passing...
     
  18. BigDogsHunt

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    Well, one of the nice asides, is its AS break, and this will be the news...and its fitting that all the Games Greats (Current and Former) will be together for the most part and the Boss gets the coverage and grace upon his passing....and then its all about the game once again. Quite fitting!
     
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  19. Dannyg28

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    This is in response to finyank's post in the Steinbrenner thread.

    Finyank, no one has a problem if you go out and free agency and spend the available cap space you have, if everyone has the same amount of cap, and you can offer more money that means your just managed your cap room more effectively than others, no problem.

    What people have an issue with with the Yankees, and you cannot compare it to what the Heat did, is they operate on an uneven playing field when it comes to luring free agents. Next season, when Carmelo Anthony is a free agent, the heat can't sign him because they don't have the cap space. But the Yankees, despite having a payroll higher than anyone else in the league, if say, Albert pujoles became a free agent, the Yankees could offer him more money than anyone else just due to the sheer amount of
    money they have.

    It's not comparable situations in the least.
     
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  20. Jt0323

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    It's sad. I remember on his birthday I was talking to my Uncle about how he looks a lot better this year then he did last year, and it looked like he was getting healthy. RIP. Thanks for everything!
     
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  21. finyank13

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    right right and I get that, but on a purly build your team through the draft, develop your young guys, and sprinkle a piece here and there through free agent model, which most of America's teams (in all sports) are because of that said lack of revenue the teams have....what the Heat just did is exactly like what the Yankees do, and if they win, the haters will no doubt come out and say the same ignorant crap they say about NY...regardless if there is some cap or not

    The "have-nots" fall back on that very notion that the only way to win correctly is the above stated....and while it is nice, that isnt the only way...

    you cant fault somebody for build something so successful and in turn makes billions of dollars....I know NY is in a more advantagous position given geography, but he built it from a 168K investment, to over a billion dollars....He wants ot to stay on top, the past couple years, they have done away with trading the farm, and have held onto the Cano's, Hughes, Joba's of the world....but the money will always be there..
     
  22. adamprez2003

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    the reason the Heat are hated now isnt because they got players through free agency. Its because LeBron was a grade A douchebag about the process and towards the Cleveland fans. He could have told the owner or fans about it quietly and though it still wouldve hurt the fans of Cleveland it wouldve been the way a man handles the situation. Instead he turned it into a three ring circus and basically humiliated the fans of Cleveland in a prime time self aggrandizing self absorbed promotion. Noone hates Bosh for making the move because he did it in the right way. All the hate is towards LeBum and the Heat are along for the ride because he chose them. Noone hated the Celtics when they did the same thing three years ago

    Now it may end up that the Heat become hated for their attitude. "The Three Kings", talk of dynasties before you have even played a game, etc... We'll see. Right now the arrogance is such, that if you dont win a championship you'll be the laughing stock of the NBA. The three Kings will become the three stooges. If the Heat want the hate to turn to respect they need to win a championship.

    On a side note, I hear Nick Collison will have his own one hour "Decision" special next year......on PBS
     
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  23. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    RIP Steinbrenner. He went insane in the 80s but other than that he was a great owner and brought glory to our Yanks through his tenure. Glad he went out as a reigning champion and this season should be dedicated towards his memory
     
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  24. finyank13

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    Miami Heat got their A-Rod??
     
  25. finyank13

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    Speaking of A-Rod I got 20 on he plugs one tonight to win it.....he is a reserve so he will play the second half of the game, off a closer.....the guy has a flair for the dramatic....
     
  26. Section126

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    and the Hate slinks into the Yankee thread.

    and we do not WANT THE HATE to turn into respect. it will never turn into respect for the spiteful, the jealous, and the envious.

    you seem to miss the fact that WE ARE LOVING THE HATE. We don't want it to ever go away.
     
  27. adamprez2003

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    Did A-Rod have a one hour show to announce the decision
     
  28. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    You mistake derision for hate. Win two championships in six years and that derision will turn into respect. Fail to win and you are the Daniel Snyder Redskins, the Mark Cuban Mavericks
     
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  29. Section126

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    no it won't.

    I saw the complaining people did when the Bulls won 6.
     
  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    A minority. The main gripe with those Bulls was they didn't have a great team to challenge them. You have the Celtics and Lakers in your path. Noone will be able to make that argument iuf you win
     
  31. Dannyg28

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    I don't fault the yankees for doing what they're doing, i would too in their situation.

    I look at it more from just the overall 'good of the sport' perspective. Very few other teams can do what the Yankees do when it comes to the payrole, the economics just don't work out that way most other markets. I dislike the Yankees, cause its boring how they can just sign every free agent if they wanted to, and sometimes do, though this is not really through any fault of their own.

    I wouldn't compare that to what the heat are doing, because, everyones operating under the same rules and the same amount of money more or less. People are hating the ehat because A. they view leBron as a douchebag for what he did to the Cavs, and B. an envy and feeling of intimidation.But even what heat has done isnt as bad in terms of unevening the playing field as what the yankees do, because the heat arent guarenteed this advantage for the foreseeable future, these guy's contracts run out in six years and the heat arent gonna be able to just sign all available free agents then if they don't have the cap space to do it.


    When derek jeter and A rod retire though the yankees can sign anyone out there who is available, and can do so by offering them all the money they want even if they already have an enormous payrole that, if the MLB had a salary cap of some kind, would go over that salary cap.
     
  32. Dannyg28

    Dannyg28 Say hi to the rings

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    You aren't saying anything i disagree with and i never said anything contrary to what you're saying. finyank said something on the steinbrenner thread about the heat "buying" a championship and i took exception to that, i never said or implied why people are disliking the heat now.
     
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  33. adamprez2003

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    :up: Gotcha. Sorry, I mustve read into your post what Ive seen others say. The people I have spoken too basically have a problem with how LeBron handled it. I havent really heard anybody be upset that they got all three just the way in which it happened.
     
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  34. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    now who let all these Miami Humidity posts into our Yankees thread? Finyank I told you to close the door behind you. Now I have to get the disinfectant out
     
  35. Finfangirl

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    Philly Phranchise takes the loss tonight...A-rod doesnt pinch hit in the 9th and big papi on the bases when the game counts.

    WAS GIRARDI TRYING TO LOSE?
     
  36. Jt0323

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    Papi had to stay in, unless you wanted Arod to pinch run and lose his bat. He should have pinched hit, but they are all all-stars so everyone of them should of been able to get the hit. 1 play he could not hit for was Buck since he was the last catcher
     
  37. Jt0323

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    http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2010/07/13/well-that-didnt-take-long/
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    Girardi letting Ty Wiggington play over Arod is a bigger/better issue there. Yeah he's having a great year and all but if this game really 'counts' he shouldn't have played over Arod. Heck even if the game didn't 'count' the fans didn't pay to see Wiggington play.
     
  39. BigDogsHunt

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    Hughes get hung with the loss, but Thorton was the goat for CHW. He had 2 outs, and 0-2 count...then tossed 4 out of the zone to Byrd (Byrd?? come on) which loaded the bases prior to the grooved fastball to McCann.

    On the bases it was Andrus oversliding 2nd on the steal....thats a rookie A ball mistake. The hit following that would have drove him in. Bad baserunning.

    How does Torii Hunter not throw out Rolen going from 1st to 3rd on ground ball up the middle. Poor anticipation.

    The fact Arod didnt get in, is really no biggie....but do agree, Wigginton was the lone Baltimore must have....unless Arod is nicked up, that was the bad call there....Arod over Wiggy everyday and leave Wiggy (your utility guy) to do anything necessary in Extra's or pinch-run for Papi in that situation, etc.

    Oh well....so Natl League gets Home Field....fine by me. Wont change a thing really as far as home field and impact.
     
  40. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Hmmm. Sheppard's patch is nice/classy.....however, would have preferred a simple traditional Black Arm Band (with "GMS" if at all) on the sleeve....but two patches seems to much. I get the significance of the passing,...but would have stayed traditional on just the arm band for The Boss.
     

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