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Kiper has us taking Noel Devine

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SCall13, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    Kiper has us taking Devine next draft. Yeah it's a little early to be talking next draft, but I would love this pick. He's a little smallish, but if he can add a little more weight and maintain his quickness and speed, this guy could be awesome at the pro level. He has very "Barry Sanderish" like running skills. Not a bad reciever out of the backfield either. Although he wasn't utilized as a receiver much in his orevious 3 years. Get this guy in the open field and it's on!
    With Ronnie being injury prone and Ricky getting up in age, this would be a smart pick and, in my opinion, a really good one. Again, though, I'd like to see him add 15 lbs or so.

    Scroll down a little and you'll see Kiper's AFC east picks as of now.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast
     
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  2. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    Well, this is certainly relevant information from Mel.
     
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  3. shaunm000

    shaunm000 Well-Known Member

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    Draft? Really? Man, no offense... but training camp starts in less than 2 days! I cant imagine have to listen to anything that Kiper has to say until April!

    Cmon TC!

    Whooohoooo
     
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  4. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    True it IS Mel. Regardless, I'd like the pick.
     
  5. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    IMO if he was to be there in the third or fourth round, they would consider selecting him. Only reason is because he picks up yards in chunks and he has been pretty durable. He hasn't had a ton of carries but last season he had 241 and held up. He's had more carries than CJ Spiller the last two years and IMO has been more durable. He's got one career missed game, in his freshmen year.
     
  6. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Kiper spelled Jerell Powe's name wrong. I'd love to get him though. Talk about a nasty nose tackle.
     
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  7. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    True, I'm excited about the upcoming camp and the season (even though I'm in Afghanistan and won't be able to enjoy it) but I still felt compelled to post 1) because I think the guy could be a "homerun hitter." And 2) because I haven't posted in a while.
     
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  8. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    we will be shopping RB's next draft
    having repeatedly said that
    we're set for a run to the SuperBowl
    w/our current elite running stable
     
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  9. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    It's the offseason.....and you're over there for the rest of us sitting here comfortably at home. You post whatever the hell you want my friend..
     
  10. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Parcells hates drafting RBs in the first round. And Noel Devine doesn't really fit his criteria, IMO. 5'8''? 176 LBs? Yeah, right.

    If the RB situation plays out the way we think, with Ricky walking and Ronnie getting franchised, I can see us drafting a guy in the mid rounds. Then you'd presumably have Ronnie, Cobbs, Hilliard, Sheets, and the rookie. Not the best backfield in the NFL, but a very well-rounded unit nonetheless.

    And now back to ignoring Mel Kiper's existence.
     
  11. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Mel is the BlAgo of the NFL :yes:
     
  12. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB


    Barry was 5'8" 200. That's why I suggested Devine needs to bulk up 15 pounds or so. Their running styles are very similar.

    True, Parcells doesn't like drafting running backs in the first, but he has also shown to alleviate from his norm from time to time if he sees the need. If Ronnie gets hurt again, he won't be with Miami next year. Given his history, it's hard NOT to expect that it will happen again. Ronnie may or may not be with us next year. Same goes for RW. He HAS mentioned recently that he may play a little longer. It's not far fetched to say that Ricky may be with Miami longer than Ronnie. No ill-will toward Ronnie. But, this a "must stay healthy" season for him. If not, there is no doubt he is gone. And if that happens, we'll be looking running back early next draft.
     
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  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    let's win this one w/ what we've got, while we've got it
     
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  14. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Devine is definitely the most exciting player in next year's draft but very doubtful that he would get chosen by this regime.
     
  15. TiP54

    TiP54 Bad Reputation

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    As somebody who played vs and the same high school district as him, he is a head case. It will be a matter of time before he will do something stupid. Mark my words.
    Don't get me wrong, he has ALL the talent in the world, and for his sake I hope he pans out. But based on what i heard people, coaches say. In a risky environment such as Miami, this close to home? I think that is a bomb waiting to explode.
     
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  16. bryan324

    bryan324 Holla, Purple Drank!!

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    that would be sick if noel came to us, if taurus johnson makes the squad id have someone i played football with growing up and someone i played football against growing up. attempting to tackle noel is like tackling a ****ing truck man. he hits when he lowers that shoulder plus you had to catch his *** first.
     
  17. bryan324

    bryan324 Holla, Purple Drank!!

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    what high school did u go to man? hes grown up a lot dude, he dumped all those loser friends that are going nowhere...hes kept himself out of trouble at WV i used to hate on him but i admire the turn around.
     
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  18. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    The guy runs a 4.3 forty. That's smoking folks. He's a playmaker. He runs hard and is very strong for his size. And if he were to get implemented into the passing game and matched up with LBs and safeties, well, too bad for the opposing team. This guy can take it to pay dirt on any given play. Again though, I want to see him add some weight.
     
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  19. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    This guy has it all: speed, quickness, vision, power (especially for his size), tenacity, determination. I wouldn't be upset at all if we got this guy.


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Vs_FLVF3E"]YouTube- Noel Devine: The West Virginia Gold Rush[/ame]
     
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  20. JimToss

    JimToss Thank You Chad Pennington

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    I'd still prefer Ricky Williams to hand the reigns over to Ryan Williams.
     
  21. CaribPhin

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    Mel can't predict the 2009 NFL Draft. I wouldn't trust him with this one.
     
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  22. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Parcells will never draft a back who runs east and west so much.
     
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  23. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Not many people can. Bill Walsh once said his mocks that he did in the war room prior to the draft were right just a little over 30% of the time.

    But will Jeff Ireland?
     
  24. alen1

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    Watching Oregon - Oregon St. at the moment. Jacquizz Rodgers makes more sense to me than Noel Devine, if we are going with a smaller back.
     
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  25. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    God, I hope not. I doubt it anyway since Ireland seems to prescribe to many of the same theories and principles that Parcells did. The one thing I found intriguing in thinking about all the Parcells coached teams I can recall is that the only backs I can ever recall Parcells coaching that fit the "Planet Theory" he subscribes to are O.J. Anderson and Marion Barber. His other primary backs were Joe Morris and Curtis Martin who were of average build. None of those were as small as the guys being talked about here and all four of them were/are the types of backs who always fell forward for extra yards and were not really what you would call home run hitters with breakaway speed. Only Morris was on the small side and thats relative to the era he played in when players were smaller then they are now.

    I dont think I need to tell you how I felt about Spiller again. I dont feel any different about Noel. Rodgers I happen to like but only in a Leon Washington/Darren Sproles type role. If durability is whats going to chase Ronnie Brown out of town possibly then I cant foresee a way we would just go and land ourself in the same type of situation possibly only now with an undersized back.

    Also, looking at our first and second rounders under Ireland:
    Long, Henne, Merling in 08
    Davis, White, Smith in 09
    Odrick, Misi in 2010

    The only times we went skill position early on were when we were looking at QB's which is what White and obviously Henne were drafted as. Thats another reason I thought/hoped we might go with Montario Hardesty, Jon Dwyer, or Anthony Dixon in the middle rounds this year. Those guys fit the Parcells mold for backs from what I can see.
     
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  26. alen1

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    Yeah but you never know. I don't know about the whole Pat White deal, though I really don't feel like bringing that up again, honestly.


    I thought Bill had a couple smaller guys during his days, no?

    The durability factor plays a role in this but Ronnie Brown had injuries in college too. Noel Devine really hasn't, despite a decent workload. Jacquizz Rodgers hasn't had a big injury either, to my knowledge, and he's carried the ball even more than Devine. Both of these guys have been relatively healthy, again to my knowledge. Rodgers intrigues me because he's ran both North/South and East/West. He's also slippery and has good hands. He's pretty strong in the lower body from little I've seen. Admittedly, I haven't watched all the tapes I have on him yet but I'm intrigued. He's much stronger than Dexter McCluster, who is of same size I believe.
     
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  27. alen1

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    Good additional point, btw. I liked Hardesty as well.
     
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  28. Boik14

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    The smallest back I can recall Parcells having was Morris who was about 180 but remember that was in an age when the Giants starting nose tackle, Jim Burt was about 260. Height at running back I think he doesnt care about but weight and running style you can bet he and Ireland will.

    As far as durability goes, players in college are still slightly smaller then in the NFL and certainly not as strong. The size and strength difference is why you sometimes see players in college that never got hurt get injury plagued careers. I have a hard time finding a scenario where Parcells and Ireland would even consider going after a smaller back. I said it the whole time leading up to this draft when some people wanted Spiller and I think Spiller is more talented then either Rodgers or Noel and you know I have no love for Spiller. :wink2:

    As for Ronnie, has he ever had the same injury twice? I think he may be snakebitten more then anything else. If we're going to try and replace one of the games top talents at that position, I would think we're going to be sure about the players ability to translate to the pro game. I sure as heck doubt its going to be a guy who runs east-west as much as Rodgers and Noel have done thus far. A lot can change but with smaller backs that are dependent on quickness it rarely does.
     
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  29. adamprez2003

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    it could be a RB though Devine is kinda small for a feature back. TE and NT seem the biggest needs right now. LB, WR, S also might be considered plus a featured back if Ronnie is let go
     
  30. alen1

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    True.

    Yeah, it is different but I also think there are some guys who can take the beating, especially nowadays when there is two headed running games. A guy like Jacquizz Rodgers comes from a pro style offense, has ran north and south, is pretty strong in his lower body IMO and is slippery. He's also fast and picks up yards in chunks. I think that's pretty impressive for a guy his size. Further, regarding Spiller, the difference is Spiller is a first round pick. In my opinion, these two are not. If they truly have interest in chunk yardage backs, why not get someone like Rodgers in the third/fourth? I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here and if I am, I'll gladly admit it.

     
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  32. alen1

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    Rodgers seems more north-south than you give him credit for but again, I could be wrong.

    It's not something I'm hoping for, it's just something I'm throwing out there if they were to show interest in a guy who picks up yardage quickly.

    Hey I don't mind the grind out game. Don't get that confused. Smashmouth football is something I love.
     
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  33. NaboCane

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    :rolleyes: This again.

    This year it was Dexter McCluster; now Kiper starts the annual midget speculation with Devine.

    Guys like that ARE NOT in a Parcells team's plans, period.
     
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  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Rodgers runs very well between the tackles. He is short, but has thick powerful lower body.
     
  35. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Agreed completely.
     
  36. MrClean

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    You could play a ball control grind it out offense with Rodgers as your #1 runner. He drives LBs crazy because he hides behind the guards so well and they are late picking up the gap he is coming through. Also, even though he is short, his strength allows him to make YAC.

    I'm more an Oregon Ducks fan, but I really like both Rodgers brothers,
     
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  37. alen1

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    Noticed that last night as well. He has good vision IMO and has shed some tacklers at the line.

    James Rodgers is very interesting to me. Small but he fights so hard for the ball. Makes some difficult catches, fights for position, and anticipates the ball in the air well IMO.
     
  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    James Rodgers is also wicked as the fly sweep man,
     
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  39. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Agreed. The whole thing with Deion turned a lot of people off. Not to mention he already had a couple kids by two different chicks by the time he was 18. So he's already at Cromartie's pace.

    I also question his speed. I don't think he has the pure speed of Chris Johnson or CJ Spiller.

    Third or Fourth round sounds about right.



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  40. Stringer Bell

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    I don't know how you can say Devine is a Dexter McCluster type, or that he isn't the type of running back Parcells would draft.

    The guy runs with a lot of power. He squats 500 lbs. He runs between the tackles, and doesn't shy away from contact. He certainly doesn't fit the mold of a McCluster/Reggie Bush type of scat-back.
     

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