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Dolphins agree to terms with DE Charles Grant

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Interesting?

    Now who is on the roster bubble?

    and why no AD!?!?
     
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  2. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand this move.
     
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  3. NJFINSFAN1

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    Let all the DL's fight for a spot, this guy is very flexible in what he can do if healthy. It's a great signing again if healthy, but he is not assured a spot.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Maybe someone else is injured?

    Or McDaniel is on the way out?

    :dunno:
     
  5. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Competition is good. Can't get enough of it.

    Someone could indeed be hurt, sure.

    But on the surface, I suspect this move could be aimed at shoring up the interior pass rush on third downs. This guy was pretty good as a big 4-3 DE.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    :chuckle:

    He was also drafted by the Saints with one of the #1 picks we traded for Ricky Williams...
     
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  7. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Agree, Grant started all 16 football games last season but will have a pass rushing duty on third down. He can fit into rotation as well. Five and a half sacks and all and he played on a championship football team. I'm not for bringing in older players but this makes sense to me. He can help us IMO.
     
  8. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    He missed the playoffs, however, with a torn triceps.

    Had some injuries the last few years, but he can indeed fit that rotation. Big boy had double-digit sacks as a DE a few times early in his career. I think that's where this is aimed. Trying not to stretch Randy Starks too thin.
     
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  9. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    He would move inside to DT on the nickel rush line?

    Was he a LDE or RDE in NOLA?
     
  11. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Played on the left side.

    I could be wrong. Just thinking a guy with those dimensions and still decent pass rush skills could excel inside against the lesser athletes (guards).
     
  12. Saint Greg

    Saint Greg Well-Known Member

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    Man you guys are slow...I came by like two days ago when this was rumored on the saints board....but nothing....anyways....we signed this guy to a 7 yr/63mil contract a few yrs ago. Due to no CBA we were able to dump it. I'm surprised you signed him to a 2 yr deal for over 2 mil in late July when he STILL hadn't been signed. He had one yr vet min written all over him..but then again he does have a family to feed..haha...(joke from previous contract negeotiations)...he's put on some weight and doesn't have the speed he had earlier in his career...he's a borderline DE/DT in a 4-3. But he's a great run defender and has the size to be a good 3-4 DE. I think you couldve gotten him for less but overall I'd say it's a low risk/high reward deal.
     
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  14. padre31

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    Thanks.

    We'll see, we open camp in a couple of days and do need some DE/DT bodies.
     
  15. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Why didn't you start a thread and enlighten us then? So you could be smug about it later? :shifty: :tongue:

    Per Wyche, the deal "could be worth as much as...". I doubt there was much in the way of guaranteed money. I guess we'll see!
     
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  16. Saint Greg

    Saint Greg Well-Known Member

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    I'm more of a thread responder than starter...particuarly on another team's board. Besides....if the info was bad I couldve ended up looking like a patriot...errr..idiot
     
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  17. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Not to give myself heirs or anything, but I think they are now starting to figure out what I said in my thread a few days ago when Ferguson retired, and I flipped my wig over it: this team was totally caught off guard and the FO was caught being shortsighted.

    The sudden signing of all these DL's is a knee jerk reaction to find a replacement. In short they are hyperventilating and doing fast damage control. I still haven't changed my opinion on this BTW. I said that we'd mark my 'Ferguson thread' and revisit it around mid-season, and I am going to hold everyone to it. It wouldn't surprise me if they sign a few more DL's within the next few weeks as this feeding frenzy lingers on.

    Beyond this DL blunder by our FO, we have a superbowl quality roster and will compete at a high level matching all elite teams that challenge us. The days of the Dol-**** are officially over. I predict that we are two years away from winning the big game.
     
  18. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    For a water pill?
     
  19. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    You mean a Jet fan? :)

    No worries bro. You've been here (with us, anyway) longer than most. We wouldn't kill ya if it didn't pan out.

    Hopefully he can have a bit of a career resurgence here.
     
  20. padre31

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    I hope you do Cj, Ferg was going to be out for 8 games and that was well known in March, over a month prior to the Draft, and yet one will believe what one believes.

    The only surprise was Merling tearing his achilles which is why Douglas and Grant are in camp, not to be NT's.
     
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  21. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    See that's the thing.

    It can be argued that guys are flushing out their systems. But when it's big dudes like this, usually they're trying to make weight.

    The whole Starcaps thing is ridiculous because, as we know by now, some of the ingredients weren't listed on the label. Specifically the banned ones.

    OT: remember when our team doctor Kevin O'Neill prescribed Sudafed to Sammy Morris for his chronic sinus issues? He got popped four games for that. That's the guy who is supposed to protect the players from this. The league tells them to bring whatever you got to the team doctor to be tested and/or what have you.
     
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  22. padre31

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    Well sort of interesting that Irish has brought in two Veterans, old vets at that, to play dline, and kept a pat hand with the Lb corps with it's lack of experience.

    Hmm, seems like a decision has been made that no matter what, the OLB Corps will get younger and they are willing to suffer the learning curve induced mistakes in order to get that done.

    The way Vontae and Smith were eventually tossed out on the field last yr.
     
  23. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    We should have sat and drafted Graham. Instead we moved and took Odrick over Hughes. Said before it was a bad move. Now we are signing vets to replace merling the bust. Maybe Odrick isn't the guy. Let's hope he is.

    Vontae and Davis tossed onto the field :lol: Oops!
     
  24. Section126

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    This is a smart signing. Kinda of a coup.

    Grant can play LDE in our flex sets and apply pressure.

    I think Merling's contributions are replaced already.
     
  25. padre31

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    Think about it Kp, Hughes brings the same issues as Wake does, or Misi, there is still the learning curve from DE to OLB to work through.

    I've been banging the drum over the fact we needed a proven nickel passrushing DE, Grant can be that guy, or as Muck suggests, kick him inside to DT and pair him up with Odrick or Wake or Misi.

    Well they were, the difference is behind Wake and Misi is we have decent enough options at OLB with Anderson and Q.
     
  26. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Pads, I think you're suffering from roster dimentia...You mean Vontae and Smith.

    Take some deep breaths, click your heels three times and say "There's no place like Adalius Thomas" three times.
     
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  27. Saint Greg

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    Jet would work better with idiot if it were jetiot...I had to settle for patriot
     
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  28. Saint Greg

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    It happens...in 06 we lost Hollis Thomas for four games because of his asthma medication. If Grant goes down we lose Will Smith as well...then again the vikings lose both Williams......
     
  29. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    He's on our team now, so I don't want him to be out. But we're at Minnesota Week 1. So it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world I guess, even though they'd probably be staggered.

    With where it's at right now, I can't see it happening that quickly though. Can't see a suspension coming down for 1-4 when it's being held up like this. Isn't it on indefinite delay?
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Why speculate McDaniel? We have a few other DL further down the depth chart than McDaniel.
     
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  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    O'Neill is the Head Athletic Trainer. The current team physician, I think, Is Dr. Daniel Kanell.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd gladly take Odrick and Misi over just Brandon Graham. Even had we taken Graham it would not have effected the decisions now to sign some veteran DL. Graham would have been a OLB had we taken him. He is better off having gone to a 4-3 team IMO.
     
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  33. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I think you're right.

    But I'm pretty certain it was KO that gave it to him.
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    personally i like the grant signing more than the douglas one. douglas stops the run and not much else where hopefully grant has enough gas left in his tank to add some pass pressure periodically
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    I would say that this is a nothing signing but the money involved suggests otherwise. There are four points to raise about this.

    First, the positive:

    1. From a football standpoint this move makes sense. Miami didn't really hire him as a 3-4 DE per se. I know that's how people like to think of it. When I read that he's here, the first thing I thought is he's on the field in nickel packages. The first year Randy Starks got here he wasn't really playing a whole lot of 3-4 DE even though that's what people considered him. While he adjusted to the style of play, he played mostly DT in four-man fronts. I expect Grant will also be allowed to play a role in the nickel packages that he's more familiar with, rather than a straight up two-gapping role in 3-4 sets on 1st & 10, 2nd & 5, etc. I consider Marques Douglas to be the Plan B in case Odrick's not ready to start in 3-4 base sets yet, and I consider Charles Grant to be the Plan B in case Odrick's not ready to provide NFL caliber pass rush in nickel formations yet. The likelihood is high that the Dolphins will get Odrick on the field regularly in one or the other situations, so either Douglas or Grant will have their role somewhat minimized this year based on what Odrick shows in training camp.

    Now, the negative:

    2. The Dolphins have absolutely no intention whatsoever of rehabilitating their image. They lead the league in off season arrests, their own GM gets caught in a (well-deserved) scandal for suggesting that a draft player's mother was a prostitute (for which Stephen Ross reprimanded him and forced him to apologize), and they have now hired THREE of the league's bad boys that most teams wanted to look the other way on (Richie Incognito, Brandon Marshall, Charles Grant). I'm sorry, defend it any way you want, it looks bad, and the criticism is deserved. Dave Hyde recently wrote, after the Hartline news, that if Hartline was drunk driving and did walk away in order to avoid a DUI, then this has to be a watershed moment for the Dolphins where it concerns off field behavior, they have to do something. Leave it to Parcells and Ireland to thumb their nose at that concept, and dig themselves even further down the hole just to spite what all the critics are saying. I know Charles Grant didn't shoot anyone. But his boys did. He was fully involved in that fight otherwise he'd not have pleaded guilty to a charge. His boys were carrying a gun and they shot and killed a woman and her unborn baby. You going to tell me he didn't know his boys were packing heat? You going to tell me, after the evidence showed the necessity that he plead guilty to public affray, that he really had nothing to do with the fight? This isn't like the Brandon Marshall thing. The reports I've read about the Brandon Marshall thing suggest a number of key differences, one being the obvious that it was the OTHER guys who did the shooting, another being that Marshall was trying hard to play peacemaker between the murdering drug dealers and his cousin & friends.

    3. When is someone going to say it? You sign both Marques Douglas AND Charles Grant...it belies your confidence level in a rookie Jared Odrick. You don't see Miami going out and hiring an Adalius Thomas to be insurance for Koa Misi, do you? So you can't tell me it would have been impossible for Odrick to have earned that level of trust by now, because Koa has already earned it and he's just a rookie too. He's making a position switch as well. This is looking to me like a classic case of one guy actually being a better football prospect than the other but the other guy going 12 spots ahead of him because of physical gifts and position scarcity. Which is ok, it just is what it is. Jared Odrick was one of 'my' guys before the draft, and I have high hopes for him. But right away? I don't know how much impact a rookie can have at that position when he's coming from a totally unfamiliar system and style of play. And something in the back of my head gnaws at me about guys that play well early generally being the guys that continue to play well. From the start I pegged Koa Misi as the guy that would have the greater immediate impact and that seems to be reflected in the Dolphins' personnel transactions of late.

    4. This is bad news for a guy like Tony McDaniel. At the very best it means that they don't trust McDaniel to be the only guy that competes with Odrick for those snaps in the nickel, which he got last year. At the very worst, it could mean that they're planning on getting rid of him. The team as kept up to 8 or 9 DLs in the past, but they have a lot of linebackers they want to keep this year and there are other positions like running back, offensive line and quarterback where they have some guys they'd like to keep around. If you're keeping 7 DLs, then this puts McDaniel more in competition with Ryan Baker than anyone else...and considering Baker's humble pedigree, that's not a good sign for what they think of McDaniel. I consider them to be competing with one another because they're both nickel pass rushers with the versatility and length to play inside, with a little outside sprinkled in. I think you probably only keep one guy like that...and I wouldn't count out the scrappy Ryan Baker.
     
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    doesn't training camp start tommorow for us?i see this pick up as having someone at camp,odrick has yet to sign and while we all expect him to be at camp day one he and misi sure are cutting it close.we lost a de in merling and fergy.i'd rather f.o pick up a body for camp with no garuntee bonuses making it easy to cut him once odrick signs..i'd rather not start bouncing starks positions..leave him at dt as he could use the practice.
     
  37. the 23rd

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    Parcells just loves the trenches, always the standard in building his team
     
  38. RickyBobby

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    pleading guilty to public affray, are you kidding me. You cant say that he is responsible for others actins bc he plead guilty to public affray. What the hell is public affray anyways. I dont know the specifics of this case( I certain ly will go look them up) but to say that bc he took a plea he is guilty of something far worse is just total speculation. He could have took a plea bc thats what he was guilty of or he was just scared ****less when a judge told him he could be spending his life in jail...yeah Id take public affray. Cop arent perfect, they could have trumped up his role just bc of who hje is. With all this said I know nothing about the case I just wanted to him some defence to your accusations...........................PUBLIC AFFRAY
     
  39. Section126

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    Not A single hit has been made yet. Not A single real snap has been done.

    it just means that Merling got hurt and they need bodies, it also means that McDaniels is not a lock. Why not get the best bodies?

    I don;t see how this says anything about Odrick.
     
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  40. MikeHoncho

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    Just means he's got more time to make a name for himself here.
     

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