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Grizzly bear euthanized after triple mauling

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Topdawg13, Jul 31, 2010.

  1. Topdawg13

    Topdawg13 New Member

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    Another case of a "Grizzly being a Grizzly", and being put-down for it. At what point are people are going to be more aware of what they're doing, while camping in wildlife habitats?
     
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  2. B.Sebo

    B.Sebo TV Mastermind

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    The bear is my spirit animal, so I can't stand hearing about this. :(
     
  3. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    *bear sits in front of the tree with a nice pot of honey hears men crashing into his home. goes to investigate and finds not only one, but three people. who knows what they are here for and we have kids. i'm going to kill the big one to send a message to the other two. the other two don't get it, so i injure them. wait a minute. what's this guy with the weird thing in his ha...* *thump* *bear collapses*

    no one ever hears the bears side of the story :'(
     
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  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'm willing to bet the campers didn't do as they were supposed to and hoist their food up a tree.
     
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  5. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    This is why the right to arm bears needs to be added to the constitution!
     
  6. B.Sebo

    B.Sebo TV Mastermind

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    It would just be misconstrued, I mean people screw up the original right to bear arms all the time.

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  7. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Actually, everything I have heard is that they did not store food in their tents. This was, apparently, a predatory attack.
     
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  8. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    So dont go into the woods unless you want to get sodomized by rednecks or mauled by a bear?
     
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  9. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    Or vice versa! :no:
     
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  10. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Didn't that animal guy from those TV shows ward off some bears with mace just recently? Looks like someone forgot their mace...
     
  11. Fin D

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    Yeah, but that doesn't mean the food was where it was supposed to be or that the guys didn't try to confront the bear. I'm not saying its not possible they weren't attacked for no reason, but its rare when bears do that. If I have to bet on people doing something stupid, well...then I generally consider that a safe bet.
     
  12. Fin D

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    Pepper spray is VERY effective against bears actually. Their noses are hyper sensitive.
     
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  13. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    I've learned through dating, now that I'm single, that it's also effective against me. :pity:
     
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  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    It can't be that effective...you keep trying.
     
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  15. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    I little pepper spray or restraining order never stopped me! :up:
     
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  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I speak for all when I say, we missed your degenerate moxie.
     
  17. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    I am truly touched. No homo.
     
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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yes. Yes you are.
     
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  19. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    Yep, those bears are at such a disadvantage, dang stupid humans should just leave the woods. Oh, what the heck they should clear out of Montana, no, the west! What the heck lets just give them the whole North American area and push all humans back down to Mexico. Serves us right being stupid humans and all! And as for that pesky human that went and got himself eaten and all, well if your gonna be stupid (and slow) you're gonna be dead when it comes to bears! Don't need no stinkin guns, got teeth and will eat!:tongue2:

    Just maybe in 100 years or so the buffolo will roam again too cause they got horns and ain't skeard o no stinkin bear!:lol:

    :yes::tongue2::shifty:

    http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF12/1245.html

    And here we go with that dang stupid human thing again!

    http://www.3bears.net/yosemite/beare/pepper.htm

    and

     
  20. Topdawg13

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    So what would you suggest, kill them all off so people can camp in peace? If you knowingly go camping in a predator's territory, the YOU are assuming the responsibility for your own safety. Nature mad Grizzly's predators, meaning they will hunt, and scavenge for food, another words take precautions. :pity:
     
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  21. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    They were all asleep. It was 2AM.
     
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  22. anlgp

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    They were in the bears house. Killed in defense.
     
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  23. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    She ate the dude.
     
  24. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    If you can't find a campground that isn't known for bears you need to keep your *** at home. Obviously none of us were there to witness what happened but it's the ****ing wild. Was it unprovoked as reported? Who knows.

    What I do know is that people are idiots so it wouldn't surprise me to read a story someday of how some asswipe got drunk and saw a bear and started ****ing with it.

    Now the cubs are parent-less and will now live their lives in a zoo. Yippy
     
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  25. anlgp

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    Bear knowledge of "who's best at killing me?"
     
  26. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Not good enough at killing them, apparently.
     
  27. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Quit PMing me, I'm not taking you camping
     
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    Noodle Arm and you are?

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  29. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    eh, once a bear gets a taste for human blood, its all they crave. they become...man-eaters.


    it was the only thing they could do.
     
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  30. Phinperor

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    so bears are essentially vampires and zombies...they're vambies? f'n great...

    [​IMG]
     
  31. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    well, ****.
     
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  32. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    If one is to be serious about this subject then the rhetoric needs to be turned down a notch or two imho. First off a human being was killed and two others mauled badly, we weren’t there, so to suggest that the Humans were “stupid” or that the Bear got the “short end of the stick” shows at the very least a lack of respect for human life imo. As for the Bear getting the short end, well I bet that human being killed didn’t think so nether did the two getting mauled.

    Yes the Cubs are losers, that is true, as is the family of the person killed (a point which no one here so far has made reference to :pity:)

    As to your comment of "Kill them all off" being a hunter and a conservationist that is not even in my mindset nor in that of any true lover/sportsman of the outdoors. Remembering that it is those of us who hunt and fish who are the ones that really pay the freight to help keep those bears in the woods in the first place.

    I could name many groups that are responsible for the rebirth of wildlife in the lower 48 states. They all are Hunter formed groups, none of which BTW tie up the court system (as the bambi lovers do) yet we are seeing Elk in the Eastern US for the first time in over 100 years because of the RMEF, the Deer population, the Black Bear population, The Gator population, The Wild Turkey population, And Yes The Grizzly Population are all growing and in some cases are higher that at anytime in the history of our country. I could talk about the Hunters who donate Deer meat to the food bank that helps the feed the poor, at no cost to the taxpayer, killed and butchered at their own expense.

    I could also talk of the misguided souls who stomp around in the woods following these great bears, making a name for themselves, all the while teaching those same bears to become fearless around humans (all bambi lovers love these idiots). Sooner or later those very same bears are the ones eating out of garbage cans, breaking into cars for human type food, and yes killing dumb humans. Which then requires them to be put down.:pity::pity:

    Sometimes the Gene pool needs to be thinned down, humans and bears!:lol:
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The rhetoric should stop, you're right.

    So let's discuss this without rhetoric. Who's killed each other more? Have more people been killed by bears or more bears been killed by people? And then even further, who's deaths were caused more by stupidity?

    It is a fact, more times than not, people do stupid things that get them attacked by bears. Whether its feeding them, or encroaching on their territory, people are more responsible for the attacks than the bears are. I said before maybe these guys specifically didn't do anything wrong, (though I'm skeptical) but how many people before them fed this bear? Or didn't follow safety guidelines? Or helped destroy their natural food sources through development and pollution?

    Simply put, they were in the bears house. You don't camp in grizzly territory without understanding you may be attacked. The bear was simply being a bear, because it doesn't know any better.

    The bear didn't know what it was doing was any worse than anything else it ever does. You can't blame the bear for being a bear.

    Conservation through killing predators and prey is not now, nor has it ever been the answer. If it did work, then these stories and others of animals coming into human areas wouldn't exist. Hunting is set up to perpetuate hunting, and any other reason given is either a flat out lie or pr.

    That's a misguided statement. People like Timothy Treadwell (Grizzly Man) are despised by most animal rights and welfare people. For the exact reason you put out there...they train the animals to trust people.

    The best thing we can do for the animals is leave them alone, and let the cruelness of nature solve the overpopulation problems, that humans caused.
     
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  34. Pandarilla

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    That bear got the hat trick.
     
  35. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    Your idea of without rhetoric? Please.

    Please show me where I disagree with this thought process.

    Only because of this act, caused by some of the very people you claim
    only care to kill for the sake of killing. Thats like saying Football/Boxing/Hockey/Bullfighting is perpetuated only for the sake of watching people hurting and killing eachother.

    http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusfd16usc669.htm

    http://wildlifelaw.unm.edu/fedbook/pract.html

    Remembering also that said Bear would have no house but for those who love to hunt and fish. For I see no like amount set up to tax, say cameras, used to take pictures of said Bears. Plus remembering that the cost to the general public to enjoy our natural resourses goes from Free (you're welocome) to as much as 11.00 whole dollars (Wow).

    If its misguided I'm willing to be corrected, so back up your comment of being despised, show me.

    Ah, I see we agree on something.

    Since you and I will never see eye to eye on this issue, My love for the outdoors which includes hunting and fishing, versus your dislike for anything which speaks to your precieved mistreatment of animals by humans. I fear we can only agree to disagree.

    Which in the end would totally deplete that which you claim to care about. Nature killing = Good and wasted versus Human Hunting/killing = Bad yet consumed. Got it!
     
  36. Fin D

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    That's not rhetoric. I claimed I'd generally bet in favor of people doing something stupid that gets them attacked by bears. You took exception to that, and I explained why I feel that way.

    The fact that you're defending the people and not the bear while acting like we don't care about the people at all, belies that you disagree with that stuff to a certain extent.

    I'm sorry but that simply doesn't prove a thing. In fact, its exactly like saying BP is into ocean conservation because of all the money they're spending cleaning up the spill. Hunters and human greed/vanity/expansion have caused the problems with overpopulation. The fact they are charged money to hunt or they face a fine, and that money is used to section off land used for hunting, doesn't make hunters the saviors of the wildlife they claim to be. I'm sorry but its simply a lie that has been said so many times people believe it. Its like saying golfers are for the conservation of grass, because they're charged to play on a golf course and some of that money is used to water the grass.

    Before I continue, let me state my stance clearly, because every time this topic is broached, I'm misrepresented by the other side.

    I am not against hunting because I think it is cruel to the animals. In fact, a human hunter (when not using traps) generally kills an animal much swifter and less violently than another animal predators or by disease or starvation.
    My problems with hunting are:

    1. It's done incorrectly.
    2. The lack of honesty that comes with hunting.

    1. It's done incorrectly:
    Animal predators take the weak. Human hunters take the strong. In your first post you mentioned "thinning the gene pool". That's exactly what is happening. Humans have expanded into natural habitat faster than the wildlife can adapt. When people take over an area, one of the first things they do is remove animal predators. Culling of wolves, lions and bears leads to a a population explosion of prey animals. These prey animals who now have less land and less food but more members have to find food where they can. So, even against their better judgment, they venture into human territory or some starve to death. Instead of letting nature even out the herds, we come in with our bag limits, and go after these herds. Instead of filling the gap of typical predators (that we created) we now go after the best of each herd. Its easy to spot the strongest & smartest deer for example, he has the biggest rack, yet that's exactly what humans go after. You don't get to become the smartest & strongest deer by living off of human garbage and dodging our bullets and cars. You get to be the best deer, by staying away from humans.

    I'd be more open to hunting, if humans hunted like animal predators and went after the weak, while leaving other natural predators alone.

    2. The lack of honesty that comes with hunting.
    Hunters deny they enjoy killing. Every aspect of hunting that is enjoyable, from the meat to tracking to camping to shooting guns can all be had in other avenues, save for the killing of the target. I'd respect hunters a lot more if they just would admit to the joy they gain from killing. Hunters deny that their methods of controlling the population of herds for the herd's sake doesn't work.

    If hunting solved overpopulation problems, then why is it every year hunting has to happen again? Hunting is big business. Every state's game and wildlife agency is set up to perpetuate its existence and the "sports" of hunting and fishing. They don't actually try to solve the overpopulation problems with methods that would hinder hunting or fishing. That's why you're charged a license fee and that's why every year overpopulation happens again.

    Show me where they aren't despised. Point is GA, you know full well, I know the people you speak of. I've been to animal abuse protests, I've volunteered at a couple of animal rescues/sanctuaries and am even married to a Vegan animal rights activist. I know considerably more about their stance and opinions than you do.

    For every bizarre instance of an animal person you find that does agree with you, I'll find a person that calls themselves a hunter and goes on canned hunts. Point is, both sides have misguided members. Put on the whole, most animal people don't respect the people you think they do, and I'd be wrong if I said most hunters respect canned hunts.

    This isn't about waste of one animal. This about waste on a macro and micro scale. The situation we've put wildlife in causes more waste overall. Letting nature sort it out, won't be pretty or "wasteless". It will however, do something hunting has never done and never will...solve the problem once and for all.
     
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  37. Section126

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    How come everybody's spirit animal is always a cool animal?

    Nobody's spirit animal is the sloth or earthworm.
     
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  38. Ohio Fanatic

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    pretty much already been done. 98% of the Grizzlies were killed off a long time ago. I agree though, it's a risk you take when you go camping in grizzly territory. While I didn't mind hiking in camping in Grizzly territory, I wouldn't bring my kids there.
     
  39. Fin D

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    You're just bitter cause yours is the naked mole rat:

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  40. MikeHoncho

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    No lie, FinD. I'd just come from some Ladies Lounge thread. Clicked on this thread just to see...


    Killed it. Just killed it. It's dead now. Thanks.
     

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