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Sparano-Nolan meeting results in new hybrid defense

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by cobrajet, Aug 1, 2010.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    :chuckle:

    Do not confuse the two things Killahp, athleticism does not mean the S "covers ground quickly" it is play recognition first and foremost, a S who can recognize where the ball is going is far superior to a fast S who takes false steps and is slow to read where the ball is going.

    THAT is how Harrison played for years after being released by the Chargers, and why Darren Sharper still has a job, a S savvy counts more than speed.
     
  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :chuckle:

    Don't tell me you know more than the coaches who run it. Read this article a while back and it proves my point mr. know it all. :up:

    http://www.usafootball.com/articles/displayArticle/5852/5061
     
  3. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    :chuckle:

    How fast do you think Bob Sanders is Killah?

    Ronde Barber all that quick?

    Meanwhile, who started next to Troy P in two SB wins? Were they all that fast?

    Nope, they could tackle though, they also caught the ball as well as a Wr..

    Now if speed across the defense, meaning the front 7, then I'd agree, in the secondary at Safety, they have to be savvy, make tackles, and not miss opportunities once their hands are on the ball...
     
  5. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I'll take the word of the coach and his disciples who perfected the scheme over yours everyday padre 31. It is all there in print. Straight from the horses mouth. You are arguing your opinion and I presented fact. :wink2:
     
  6. padre31

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    Really?

    I asked you how fast you thought those players were/are, that is the first step in creating a discussion filled with facts, however one cutting and pasting a quote from back when (Urlacher hasn't been fast in yrs) substitutes for a proper basis for discussion as one has no knowledge, only what is cut and pasted.

    tsk tsk Killahp.

    You do realize the "Tampa 2" was originally a 70's Steelers mainstay..right?
     
  7. alen1

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    Don't mean to speak for Killerphins but Bob Sanders ran a 4.41 forty and has good range. Ronde Barber is actually pretty quick going downhill. He lacked the long speed to play man but his instincts and downhill quickness made up for it.
     
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  8. Killerphins

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    I said Dungy perfected it. Never once did I say he invented it.
    Yeah they talk about Urlacher and the article is old but they say one of the key ingredients to the scheme is speed. You disputed that and I produced it in writing that you were wrong.
     
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    Typically Tampa 2 Cb's are not fast, they are more physical.
     
  10. alen1

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    I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm answering your questions. :)
     
  11. padre31

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    My contention is speed at safety vs Savvy at safety.

    I'll grant the front 7 on a tampa 2 is quite fast, however a safety who recognizes plays is more important than mere raw speed.
     
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    whippersnapper...get off of my lawn!!!!


    :lol:

    Eh, I have the impression that KP feels that speed is the be all and end all in the Tampa 2, for myself that is important but play recognition, solid tackling, count for a bit more when current offenses try to exploit the T2.

    And I still maintain even the classic T2 will work if the dline is living in the offensive backfield irregardless of speed at safety, pressure disrupts every offense, every time..as long as the back 7 can tackle.
     
  13. mbmonk

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    Notice he says speed helps you overcome MISTAKES (aka being out of position).

    Big plays, I stress big plays, that are given up on defense are normally because of missed assignment, missed alignment, missed tackles.

    I think you are both arguing two different points, and both are correct. Having a fast defense IS important. But having a disciplined defense ( knows and executes their assingments) is just as important.

    [​IMG]

    But that is just my take on it.
     
  14. Ozzy

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    The key to the Tampa 2 is the Mike Lb. The cover 2 is basically a zone that splits the field in two and teams figured out how to beat it because it left a huge gap in the middle of the field. So Dungy re-designed it into the Tampa 2 by giving the Mike the deep middle of the field resposibilities. So it has to have a Mike that can run with, or try and keep up with, any receiver. So the Safeties are surely important but the Mike has a whole lot on his plate.

    The Tampa 2 actually only looks like it until the snap of the ball. Then the Mike turns up to the deep part of the field to make it an actual cover 3 zone

    To me though, the most important role is a Defensive line that can get enough pressure on the Qb to make him throw the ball within, or at 3 seconds.
     
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    Bud Carson did
     
  16. alen1

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    Well said. The MIKE drops down the pipe.
     
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    But notice how it's the Mike that they speak of first.

    The Cb's are supposed to direct the Wr's to the inside using that technique so more defenders can be in the passing lanes. They need to be fairly physical to do so, and what team wouldn't want a Cb with some speed.. :yes:
     
  18. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    If Nolan can get our defense to learn to tackle, then it's a huge improvement that what we had last year.:shifty:
     
  19. alen1

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    Clinic notes.
     
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    Yeah they run a couple of versions so the Mike does not always leave right on the snap of the ball. That would leave them vulnerable to inside slants all day long...
     

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