Could the end be near for Pat White?

Pat White IMO was a block pick on the Pats. Sucks it had to be a second rounder but it happens.

Nothing against Pat or his play, since it was so limited, but these hybrid running qb's just don't seem to fit in the NFL, which is such a structured league. Some have had some success just doesn't seem to pan out very often.

 

Since Sheets went down move PW's *** to kick returner and find out...

 

Find out if he can stay alive? IMO putting him at KR would not be a good idea.

 

And he is a better QB?

pfftt he has beefed up... at this point what do you have to lose.

 

I thought he had some potential at QB. The game is just too fast for him IMO.

 

I'm not going to argue that at all!

 

returning kicks is an excellent idea

 

Our string of 2nd round busts has not been broken with this group. Chad Henne? Yeah Philip Merling (who is 50/50 right now, not a bust yet, but things aren't going well).

 

I agree Alen. Seems like one of those far fetched ideas that could be disasterous.

Risky moves with our return game is not something i'm intersted in. Having average returns and ball security so Henne and our offense can go to work would have a better chance of putting up points than a guy who might do well once in a while and who might get killed often and lose possession.

If we had no reliable qb or couldn't move the ball with our run game or passing game and needed our return game to be explosive then it might be a project, but not the way our strengths are shaping up this season.

 

Honestly, he looks way behind the other three to me.

The ball is still wobbly coming out of his hand when he's throwing it downfield. Still highly inaccurate down there.

He's a shade bigger now, but he's still too small IMO. Too small because he can't rely on his arm. If he were a Jeff Garcia or a Doug Flutie type, it'd be another story.

What I'd really like to know is why they won't let him wear gloves.

Hey, at least he's doing better coming out from center. He's not stumbling/tripping or fumbling the snaps.

 

why w/he drafted?

 

Better yet, who's idea was it?

Who was the one that pushed the idea?

Would love to know that answer...

 

I would think it would have been Ireland. He loves gadget players. I believe he was responsible for Isiah Stanback but I may be mistaken.

 

If it was Ireland, or really whoever it was, I hope they have that out of their system. We need to draft football players not gadget guys.

 

Bill Parcells told Charley Casserly in 2008 they were going to do it.

They targeted White. At the very least, Parcells was completely on board.

Obviously they didn't anticipate his woes throwing the football. Again, why did they forbid the gloves?

 

IMO, their plans for him were worse than the actual pick itself.... they made a total mess of this and have basically squandered any chance to get any kind of value out of that pick.... he's reluctance to do anything but play QB hasn't helped much either.

He personally needs to re-invent himself or he's short lived in the NFL...

 

Yeah I've heard that too....hard to believe with all the holes we had, Parcells would agree to using such a valuable pick on a specialty player. A draft day taboo...

And altho the gloves might help his passing a little..... they won't help the fact he can't see over the linemen

 

He can see over the lineman. That isn't the problem. The problem is they're trying to make him something he isn't. I don't understand why they drafted him with the idea of making him a QB when we had Henne and Pennington on the roster.

 

He has had an entire off-season to work on throwing the ball. He obviously hit the weight room, but has shown no improvement at all on the one thing a quarterback has to do well: throw accurately.

IMO, the experiment is close to being over. The entire reason he was picked was to provide a throwing threat out of the Wildcat. If he can't do that, there's no reason to have him on the roster.

 

yeah. i generally am willing to give players the proverbial three years to prove themselves but there are times when exceptions can be made. Sometimes you give them four years others two

Generally speaking I think the first year you just want to make sure they can physically handle the NFL and that they are coachable with an occasional flash of skill. By year two you want to see improvement. From the reports it just seems like there is no improvement year to year. Now I say let it play out over the preseason but if he is still having problems passing the ball then I say cut the chord. He doesnt have to be Joe Montana but he has to be able to throw a basic pass.

 

Do you seriously think the Patriots would have drafted Pat White to play anything other than wide receiver? If Jeff Ireland seriously picked him because he was afraid the Patriots would pick him, then he wasted a 2nd round pick on a player they never had any intention of playing, and they got duped by a team that wouldn't have taken him that high to begin with.

 

and he will probably still end up in NE anyways

 

hey KB. Welcome back. Got your guy Odrick

 

IIRC, there were reports that both Parcells and Billicheat were drooling over PW at the combine. If true, and as crazy as it may sound, I believe Parcells and Billicheat were involved in a game of high stakes re; White. Both knew they other guy was interested in him. And, both saw endless possibilities with the way he could be used in an offense (ie., Wildcat, Wildpat, Pistol or whatever the hell you wanna call it). So, the only question was when would he come off the board. I know it sounds crazy, but it's what I believe happened. Only, and here's the thing...I don't think Billicheat was interested at all. Or, maybe only mildly interested. Like if PW was still there in the 4th/5th, and depending on how his board looked, he might take a flier on him. So, in that regard, that he wasn't nearly as interested as Parcells, or that he got Bill to reach for Pat, yeah...the FO got duped.

Now, that's just one man's conspiracy theory.

 

Unless New England goes to the CFL, I doubt it.

What's going to happen now is people will start making excuses for his poor play, saying stuff like we are expecting too much from a guy who played in a spread offense.

The fact of the matter is, it didn't take a strong scout to see that this guy had ZERO NFL quarterback ability in college. Honestly, to even think that this guy could be an NFL quarterback is so ludicrous that it should warrant someone being fired over this pick.

 

The un anticipated success of the wildcat could have fueled the pick as well. I mean a handful of other teams were adopting it that season. I can understand the pick, I didn't agree with it then or now but I'm sure there was some sort of reasoning behind it.

I know it sucks in hindisight to say we blew a second round pick that year, but before we go start asking for jobs / heads over the pick we need to put it in perspective and realize how many picks this FO has translated into successful starting NFL players 2 years in a row.

One blown second round pick, Merling is debatable as the other high pick that didn't pan out, but wasn't like he didn't contribute early on I'm willing to give Ireland and Parcells a pass on the White pick.

Not every single pick is going to be a home run. At least that's not my expectations, but it sure is much better on draft day now than when SPielman, Cameron, Saban etc were running the show.

I'll take a PW blown 2nd round pick along with Long, Henne, Bess, Carpenter, Hartline, Langford, Thomas, Smith, Davis, Clemons any day of the week and twice on sunday over the miserable drafts we had before this regime came in where outside of Ronnie, we had first round picks like Ted Ginn, Jason Allen second round picks in the ilk of John Beck and others.

 

I am going to get raked over the coals for this, probably rightfully so but..

Pat Whites stat line from his last game ( Mienke Bowl 2009 ):
26 comp of 32 attemps for 332, 3 TDs, 1 int.

After we drafted Pat White I downloaded and watched that game. He was on fire, and he was throwing deep accurate balls. I think he hit a deep skinny post against cover 3 in the endzone. It was a long throw and it was on the money.

I also remember hearing Marshall Faulk for the NFL network saying the Pat White threw the ball the best out of all the QB's that attended the combine (including Sanchez).
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMAF_ktK2e8"]YouTube- ‪Pat White Drafted by the Miami Dolphins‬‎[/ame]

So lets not act as if Pat White has never thrown the ball well.

EDIT: Just look at the throws shown in that vid. There are some damn gems in there.

 

I just think his confidence in the NFL has been shattered. What he did in college doesn't matter now.

 

Hmmm I don't know i guess I'd like to give him at least till the end of camp, I mean I know its weird to try and develop 2nd round picks for more than 1 season but I'm crazy that way..

 

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Will the real Pat White please stand up...

 

I think the FO needs to make a decision on this kid that, in my opinion, is long overdue. If he is in their long term plans than say it publicly to help this kids ego, if not, then drop him immediately.

Personally I hope he is our new red zone QB and does very well, but this is looking more like Ted Ginn all over again. Another guy drafted waaaaaaaaaaay too high with non realistic goals preset for him.

 

Damn it would be nice if Pat's good play today could be parlayed into some needed confidence that leads to improved & consistent performance. IMO his head is his own worst enemy right now, so this is great news.

I don't foresee Pat being cut considering he's still very distant from the potential the FO felt he possessed when they drafted him at 44. If this were college, he'd only be a Sophomore..... and it's not like we didn't know he was a project coming out, so I don't think our beloved Phins drafted him with unrealistic expectations (I give us a little more credit than that).

If we're talking about anyone other than Pat White, then I could understand where he's on the bubble....... but I don't see one of the winningest and most productive leaders in college football history being cut in lieu of a late-round/FA rookie or 2nd year player who's never seen an NFL snap.

 

The only one who should be fired is the poor attitude parasite who's seized control of your brain.

So what you're saying, KB, is that "our" scouts don't know how to assess NFL QB potential? (cough cough- Chad Henne) ..... nor do the Broncos or whomever else who had him rated highly AS A QUARTERBACK??.... and that you'd supplant any of these scouts if you allowed these teams the privilege of hiring you????

Who cares if Pat played in a spread offense?! He's not expected to be our starter, nor was he drafted with such immediate intentions.

Ohhhh.... you know what?>> Here's some shocking news: I just heard over the wire that Chad Henne DIDN'T run an NFL pro set offense in High School. Yup!!! Hold the phones!!

Wow, so Chad (or Brady, Manning, Brees etc) did NOT exit the womb already possessing the advanced knowledge of making reads and going through progressions yada yada yada??? Shut the front door!! So what's their secret? Is it possible that they LEARNED it?

 

No coals. Just please explain to us. Your opinion. What happened?

 

For what its worth reports over the last two days have Pat White playing well. He's seemed to overcome the rust of the first few days. Hopefully it continues

 

2nd year QB coming from a spread in the Big East that does not make all pro his rookie year and throws a grand total of 20 some passes or whatever whom your scouts (who have made some great calls) thought was a good developmental QB.....do i like the pick..no, not in the 2nd...but is this the new standard......we can debate his skills and have a debate worthy of thought, but this sort of production standard for evaluating QB's means that Manning kid, the Rivers guy and all are going to suck because they were not All Pro's out of the bloicks either...........heck I think some guy wearing 13 threw a couple INT's in his first quarter....we should have sit his *** or traded him to Sascatachewan..............

 

I think the theory behind the pick made sense. Grabbing an electric running QB who showed in college that he could throw also. Not like Peyton Manning but good enough that you would have a legitimate dual threat QB. I agree that the 2nd was too high but as I learned if you really like a guy you pick him. The theory behind picking Pat White was too take the wildcat to the next level. Since defenses have a hard time stopping our wildcat when they know its a run, imagine how explosive it could be if you add the element of the pass.

Where its flamed out is simply in the fact that Pat White has been overwhelmed to this point mentally. The game has not slowed down for him. Now we'll see how his preseason progresses. his last two sessions seem to indicate that he's improving. My take is that if by the end of training camp Pat White has shown that he can throw effectively from the wildcat or spread, then we keep him for another year. If he's as lost as he was last year then I think we should cut him. Year two you must make some improvement. It doesnt have to be huge but you have to prove that you may someday reach the potential that the front office saw in you originally. You dont have play at your potential buyt you have to show that you're getting closer

 

On top of that, you have to consider that he is running offensive schemes that have never been run at the NFL level. The coaches are learning just as much as White is.

I have a hard time believing anyone other than our coaching staff knows what White was asked to do, and how well he did that. We see 5 incompletions, and not much success running. But at the same time, the only time he ran anything that wasn't a vanilla zone read was against NE, and I would say that pistol formation worked pretty well. Why it wasn't used in any other game is beyond me, but again thats something you have to defer to the staff on.


Will this eventually work out? I have no idea. He could be cut and I wouldn't be surprised, or he could score a few TDs for us this season and I wouldn't be surprised. The entire situation has turned into a guessing game.

 

[TABLE][/TABLE] against new england he really shined for a rook. but we dont need a runner. he really has to complete some passes in preseason games just top show he can