-Bad news for Garner it would seem. -wonder if Tsoumpas would have had another shot? Odd, and now the Returner pool is down to..Carroll, Cobbs, RGM, Bess..
That is surprising, Johnson had shown well enough (imho). and once again the roster is thrown into chaos as we have no idea what Garner, Oglesby status is, and who was just signed (#41). Tinker, tinker, tinker..
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...-points-de-charles-grant-a-worthwhile-pickup/ CK didn't like that signing, I happened to like it simply because I happened to believe the big fella was distracted in 09 and still put up decent stats for the SB winning Saints team, add in he doesn't have to be "the man" on the Dline and I just thought he could make an impact as a 200 snap player on passing downs.
we should have brought colt brennan into compete with thiggy and white - a little compitition wouldnt hurt
If this staff has Pat white come out and play his time operating a full on Proset formation, I think I might lose it. To take a player that has excelled in college at the spread and the wildcat, and completely try to teach him differently and operate him differently in the pro's, knowing his skillset, could be worse than not playing cam wake on obvious passing downs last year...both boggle the mind...
He is having a bad camp, but at least he has played well in his pro career to date. Pat White has yet to play well, in training camp, preseason, or regular season.
In many ways I agree with that Deej, having White drop back and read then throw is not his strong suit, however sooner or later he will have to do exactly that, and the Staff needs to see him doing so. I really want to see if his quickness has improved, so I'd like to see out on the edge of the defense and see if he can make plays while out there.
Just the kind of ongoing tinkering I expect at this point in TC. Hope Jerry works out at RG, would love to see D Thomas start at LG too, would make for a very young and STRONG OL for a long time. Incongnito just scares me with his anger/penalties problems.
I dont see the need to myself...I would of created a new position for him within the parameters of the formation, and trained him exclusively there from the get...but you already knew that bro. If your gonna draft the best college wildcat player with a high 2nd round pick, AND YOU DON'T GO THERE, THAN WTF ARE YOU DOING.!! He better run the pistol/wildcat....or else they got some real splaining to do.
THAT is troublesome, as much as I like Andrew Gardner, VC has gotten all of the first team work, and is one of the Rocks of the Oline we really cannot afford to lose him for any period of time.
I don't know Pads....we fans tend to overvalue observations from reporters and fans who may have a bias for or against a guy especially early in camp.....best thing IMHO to do is watch what you can for yourself......T.Johnson only IMHO was a guy you want to look at because he was so effective vertically in college but was not asked to do it much.....so you want to look and see if there is something there....same with Wallace who has great reported speed and size but for some reason it never translated, so you take a close look give him some solid NFL calibre coaching and see if you can unlock what is there or if he responds to coaching...I still say the one "developmental" type reciever with special skills is Julius Pruitt...you just cannot teach that second gear of his......
Probably, however I'm not much of a fan of cutting players before you see them in games, Sparano is not a believer in "game day" type players as he believes what you do in practice, you will do in a game. Problem with that is, I've seen players who practice well but play badly, and those who practice poorly but play well.
Kevin Hobbs, eh? Slow Auburn safety that's eeked out a role as a slot nickel back in the NFL. Played that role for one of the most porous pass defenses in football last year, allowed 33 of the 36 passes thrown his way to be caught for 301 yards, only got 1 pass defensed out of it. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is just a camp body.
Well i looked him up on google and kinda got the same impression of him. The internet is a beautiful thing.
Padre, I think that guy who e-mailed during SICK's show asking about your hand up a Pat White puppet at training camp may be on to something. I don't buy the Thigpen having a bad training camp simply because both White and Thigpen have had bad training camps. You can't really talk about Thigpen's INT problem and then say "it happens" when Bell intercepts White. Thigpen has won games in the NFL already and in game time situations when Pat White came in he completed nothing yet in the same game Thigpen got Bess deep. He did throw some INT's though. Either way, I'm only saying this because I dislike Pat White as a player and I liked Thigpen from the days he knocked off Brodie Croyle. Thigpen brings 11/15ths the mobility of White with a rocket arm and better accuracy. His upside is just much better.
Personaly, I would put Joe Berger at left guard and let Thomas compete with Jerry at right guard. Thomas has a lot of power and can move defenders off the ball, but he's very weak as a pass blocker at this point. IMO, Joe Berger is clearly one of the five best offensive linemen on this team, and he is a good pass blocker. He would work out well at left guard, IMO. This would allow the team to keep the surging Andrew Hartline on the roster as a reserve center as well, and if an injury to Jake Grove occurs (which his history suggests it will), Berger can always move back to center. Our left guard position is another position that is paying for Miami drafting Pat White too high last year. Admittedly, I was for taking Clint Sintim at that spot. He was perfect for this defense. One of my alternate guys was Andy Levitre though, and he would be starting at left guard for Miami today if they had drafted him. Instead, we got a stinking fourth string quarterback who some like as a gimmick player. I agree with you. I see Roberto Wallace as a practice squad guy right now, but I think Pruitt could slide into the 5th receiver slot. I don't know why they aren't giving him a look as a return man. He did return kicks at Ouchita Baptist. Ryan Grice-Mullen has fallen behind in the pecking order as a return man, so for him to make the team, he has to show me some receiving skills. I think his chances of making the team are diminishing by the day. That last spot will probably come down to Patrick Turner, Julius Pruitt, and Roberto Wallace. I would personaly take Pruitt over Turner.
Camp Int's happen, what I'm point out is Thiggy is not having that good of an effort...so far..yet White is tossed overboard, Thiggy is "proven". That I'm not buying into simply because he was traded so cheaply out of KC. Numerous reasons why that happened, the NFL values Qb's, why was he valued so cheaply?
All of which is all the more reason why Incognito should see some work at Center, especially if Nate Garner's injury is serious. i'm beginning to think it is as they re signed Ray Feinga, if Garner was going to be out just a short time, why sign him? Max Unger had his fans as well, to me, John Jerry will start at RG, there is no reason to think he will not as he has taken 1st team reps for the majority of Camp. If Jerry wins that job, Incognito needs some time at Center so he can offer some flexibility. I like both players, Wallace imho needs some work on conditioning, Pruitt is more gameday ready imho. Taurus Johnson being waived only helps both players chances. Hard to tell, RGM looked fine in the spring, that tweaked Hammy really cost him, but the Returner job is still wide open so imho he has a puncher's chance in the preseason games, if he shows well he still could stick.
I expect that CP will be our third, emergency QB every game and that our second QB will be either Thigpen or White. I think Thigpen has a higher upside in that potentially he could be a bottom half starter, but that White has and probably will out work him. I don't think White will ever be a starter quality player, but I do think potentially he could be a more consistent version of what Thigpen is now. Will Thigpen ever reach that potential? Has White already drawn even with Thigpen? I liked the Grant signing. I thought and think he is a borderline lock to make the final roster. If Carroll wins the KR/PR position I expect that they'll keep one of the bigger deep threats as the 5th WR. That's good news for Pruitt and Wallace and bad news for RGM.
Nolan Carroll winning the Returner job as well as playing in the secondary would be a great situation for the Phins. Toss in Vern Carey's one legged rehab bike riding and this is a bad situation.
Are any of those players still playing in the NFL? 4th Quarter, 4th Preseason game, any of those guys still around??
I think the best OL guys in order are: 1. Long 2. Carey 3. Grove 4. Berger 5. Garner (depending on the injury) 6. Jerry 7. Incognito 8. Thomas 9. Hartline 10. Procter They'll certainly keep 8. They might keep 9. I think the top 5 on that list are good starter quality players. I think our OL can be really good/great as long as 4 of the top 5 start.
These are just normal training camp nicks and bumps. Quite frankly a guy like Will Allen barely even needs participate in training camp at all, and he could still be ready to play well during the regular season. Same goes for Vernon Carey. Tony Sparano warned us that this training camp he would vow to do a better job of going easier on the veterans, pulling them out of practices to make sure that they don't hurt themselves, etc. That's what we're seeing right now. There's not a whole ton they're getting out of camp right now anyway. They should be given chances to rest up, baby whatever limbs are a little sore at the moment, etc.
Oh boy, if Will Allen had a setback we are down to Jason Allen as the #3 Cb. It's like we lose a player a practice, I've never seen anything like this.
Almost 4 qtrs for Thiggy and White to show what they have this Saturday Evening, more than enough time. Omark seemed to think Thiggy's "offense" would be M Moore, R Wallace and DMart, that would make White's Turner, RGM and Nalbone. Julius Pruitt is in that mix somewhere as well.
Tony Sparano has mentioned this multiple times . He noted it was something he/they could do better and leasrn from previous years. While some of the sittings obviously are a result of being injured, some I believe are more a precautionary move. Will Allen being healthy and able to contribute as one of the top three CB's is an important aspect to this defence. So , fingers crossed , this is more about being prudent than reacting to a limiting injury.
