Yeah but Henne was not an unknown from a small school like Ball State. I think Henne will be a great player, but someone like Pat White just doesn't have the size/skills to play in the NFL. I think White has a future in the CFL.
Which is exactly how he is supposed to be used. He is a big play receiver not a possession guy, not a banger and not a jump guy. What's lost in all the negativity is how open he was on that pass. He made it about as easy as possible for Davis to throw it to him. Ted Ginn is probably the only receiver in the NFL that gets nitpicked like he does on these boards. He catches a 65 yd pass and bails out his team and people criticize him for juggling the catch and going out of bounds. Its unreal
Hey Fellas...do you think Favre will be in game shape by Week #2? Do we blitz Favre like crazy and try to knock him out? It looked like we were going to avoid Favre and Big Ben, but now it looks like we will be facing them both.
and thats ted ginn in a nutshell. basically ive come to the conclusion that if its not an easy catch its 50/50 at best whether he catches it. but on deep patterns he seems to do alright catching for some reason. maybe its slow hand to eye coordination. i would be fascinated to watch him with a pin point passer like peyton manning or drew brees. i wonder if he would still have the drops as much if he was getting a QB that could lead him perfectly like those two on a consistent basis. bottom line he's a half full/half empty type receiver. he's a home run threat but also the kind of guy that will drive you nuts with the small stuff
I think Flacco has the strongest arm in the NFL....maybe not the hardest thrown passes, but he can throw it farther down the field then anyone else.
safe to say pennington isnt on that list i wasnt saying it was an easy throw, i was saying ginn made it easier by having two steps on his defender. davis was able to lead him by throwing to a spot and not having to throw a jump ball which probably would have come down incomplete or picked if ginn had to fight for the ball. as for how many QBs can throw it i think its more than three. roethslisberger, flacco, henne, cutler, rodgers, (favre and palmer used to but i'm not sure if they still can) are just a few off the top of my head. hell even tom brady ripped a pass that was about 60 yds or so in the last seconds of their superbowl loss to the giants
Vince Young couldn't even HOPE to make that play. Chad Henne would not make that play. I love him, but he wouldn't do it. I don't think he'd have the accuracy at that depth. Freeman's a MAYBE. Flacco's the only one I'd be comfortable saying yeah, I think he makes that throw.
That was a 70 yard throw, as the crow flies. How many QB competitions do we see where these QBs can't even get to 70 yards? And he did that ON THE FIELD, during a PLAY, off a SCRAMBLE. Carson Palmer used to be able to throw that far but at the skills competition when he tried to do it, without pads on and in a totally pressureless situation, he got the ball to a 70 yard depth (twice) but couldn't get the ball inside a very, very wide alley where it was supposed to land. That's how much accuracy degrades at that depth.
Nate Davis btw had another GREAT throw off the scramble, but this time the WR wasn't quite as open and he just needed to go up and make a catch with the advantage he had. This is where it's good to have a Brandon Marshall.
Vintage Nate Davis. 3rd & 6, slides head first for 5 yards when he could have gained 7. This is one of the reasons scouts/coaches were uncomfortable with him. Be a while before he 'gets' certain things. In some scary ways he's like the QB version of Ted Ginn. But I think overall, a better player.
Wow - Ginn has almost as many dropped passes this preseason as Brandon Marshall! (Kidding - Marshall provides a lot of what Ginn doesn't - toughness, size - but he has trouble with drops as well. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with making fun of people for missing passes with Marshall and Hartline looking very Ted Ginnian thus far.)
If Ted Ginn ran after the catch AT ALL, then I wouldn't care (too much) about his drops. Don't know that I've ever seen a player that could get that open and be so bad at getting his feet and running after the catch. He's the most awful RAC player I can think of, among names everyone would recognize.
Webb with the long TD run, that is the sort of play that White would need to make for us, and he just hasn't.
OK Jamarcus Russell might be another player that makes that throw. One of the only things he can do. Though I tend to doubt he makes that throw with enough accuracy.
Rogers in GB has a cannon on him as well, and decent touch. Once Brady/Brees/Manning retire or start declining he may well ascend to the top QB spot.
Ted Ginn cost us the game against New Orleans last year. If we won that game, the Saints probably would not have won the Superbowl.
if that was jamarcus he wouldve been sacked then fumbled a touchdown for the defense. I've seen trees with better mobility and pocket presence
Ginnfluenza is still spreading I see. Oddly enough, Singletary ripped Davis for lacking a work ethic and blowing protection calls. Samurai Mike is the same as hard *** he always has been. As for Ginn, nothing has changed, he is still the deep threat/inconsistent hands player he was in Miami, only this time he has Vern Davis and Crabtree to take the heat and spotlight off of him. I suspect he will flourish stats wise in SF.
In his defense, there were guys out there trying to tackle him. They weren't far enough away to keep running.
LOL @ the 49ers boards regarding Ginn http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=143921&page=3 ... ... Apparently he's dropping passes out there
When you get to that distance, touch is a non-issue to me. You either heave it that far and still get it within the same zip code, or you don't.
Early in the broadcast Collinsworth pointed out that the 49ers told him that when Ted Ginn arrived at camp he was so shell shocked that he only caught half of the balls that hit his hands, but since then he's settled in more and is developing a rapport with the QBs. I know I for one did not see a different WR in that preseason game. I saw a different QB. You get him paired up with a guy like Nate Davis or Joe Flacco, he's going to make a play like that. But it's not going to consistently outweigh the four plays he refused to make.
Ginn has incredibly poor instincts as a WR. That's probably why he started out as a CB. On the other hand, he also has incredible speed, the ability to occasionally get wide open and good enough hands to catch when he's wide open. That ability to get open is valuable. Imagine if Turner had that ability, LOL. I don't believe that Ginn will ever have good hands. He's put in enough work with so little improvement that the most you can hope for is that he'll scare the D and catch that occasional bomb. That can help open up the field for other players. You put him with a strong armed QB and that scare factor increases. Unfortunately the starter in SF is Alex Smith so the scare factor isn't as high as it would be with Davis. He'll also potentially break a couple of KRs for TDs a year. I believe that with a good STs unit blocking for him Ginn could go down as one of the best KRs in history. That coupled with the occasional bomb and he could have a nice 10 year career.
They have caught Ginnfluenza..the symptoms are all there, tons of posts, hope that he will "improve his hands" appreciation for his big play ability. Someone should warn them before it is too late.
considering marshall has 300+ catches the last 3 seasons id say thats a a litttttttttle bit of a ridiculous comparison. just a little.
And how many catches does Hartline have? I guess my point is that Marshall and Hartline have had passes bounce off their hands all preseason and we are trashing a guy for a 60 yard reception because he didn't catch it clean. Thinking maybe we should worry about our own team before we go start looking for others to make fun of. Unless it is the Jets, of course.
right, but those guys come back and produce. Whats worse someone bashing a guy not on our team.....or you defending a guy on the 49ers?
