Henne graded out at 77. Sanchez at 66. Pennington at 70. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/scouting/_/position/8 Without Insider: #28 Sanchez: #16 Henne: #22 Pennington: Just Sayin' (as Crunch would eloquently put it) Offensive Tackles #2 Jake Long - 89 (Same grade as Clady) #7 Vernon Carey - 82 Scouts Inc. over at ESPN grades our backup better than the Jests starter, to me that shows great depth at the position, and we have 2 of the top 7 rated Offensive Linemen in the league. Man our line is starting to get a good brand attached to them. Enjoy.
How did they grades our centers? The reason I ask is that on a per snap basis they were #2 and #3 on PFF behind Mangold. Also what about Marshall, Brown and Williams? If you don't mind. Thanks.
Thanks. Good stuff. Don't entirely agree with this statement about Henne: While he is NOT a mobile QB by any means, he has very good accuracy when he rolls to his right. He is HORRENDOUS when he rolls left, however. Regarding the O-linemen, I'm concerned about Vernon Carey' health. He seemed to have a tender back after the play where he got slammed onto it against Jax. Someone else on here mentioned he has a back problem, I think? I also, for the second year, think he still looks a bit sloppy and not in great condition... but maybe that's just because I want every lineman to look like Jake Long or Jake Grove. The belly hanging out and the swayback (meaning weak core muscles, making you prone to lower back injury) are worrisome to me. Not sure he makes it through the season. Hope I'm wrong, becauase when healthy this may be the best O-line in the NFL! Especially with John Jerry coming on!
No problem Rafael. Clearly they have their opinion and when grading players across positions or the league all can vary depending who is doing the grading and how they are doing it. I find ESPN Scouts to be fairly obvious, miss on some small items about a player but generally have a good feeling for players. I think they down grade a player who doesn't play due to injury. Seems to be the way they graded Grove and Ronnie. Say if ronnie finished 16 games last year, i bet he would be much higher. But injured 2 years in a row dropped him in their rankings. Here you go... Centers Mangold - Number 1 #20 - Among NFL Centers - Jake Grove - 67 ONly Grove Listed. WR's #7 - Among NFL WR - Brandon Marshall - 88 # - 66 - Greg Cammarillo - 66 #84 - Bess - 63 #84 - Hartline - 63 RB's #31 - Ronnie - 72 #14 - Ricky - 77
Ya BPK, Scouts Inc. as i mentioned miss on some items such as Henne's accuracy when out of the pocket. Little details we know inside and out from analyzing one team or player like we do. They typically get a general feel, state more than the obvious, hit on some finer details and miss on others. I also think they did that with Brandon Marshall. Something about his blocking being Ok but not great. If his blocking isn't great i dont know what the hell is good blocking for a WR
This one is for Padre...65 rating. The lower down the rankings, the less detail and more vague the comments. They are what they are though, opinions and rankings.
Dansby - 85 Randy Starks - 79 Vontae - 75 Smith - 68 Lousanka Polite - 63 (Ranked with RB's not FB's for some reason. Definitley takes credit away from whoever scouted him) The numbers on these ones are their overall grade, not ranks among NFL'ers Carpenter - 70 Langford - 67 Grant - 66 Bell - 70 Solia - 60 Dobbins - 59 Crowder - 70 Haha that is the most vanilla description I've seen yet. Okay that's all for now. Misi, Odrick, Jerry and Caroll were not commented on. Not suprising. Fields had a good review, solid NFL punter/can kick in any condition, strong leg.
Thanks AC. I agree with most of their stuff and found it informative! The Jake Grove stuff sounded totally wrong to me. Maybe I just haven;t watched Grove closely enough, but I thought the exact OPPOSITE was true. He is physical, does best head-up on a big NT (which is why we signed him, because Sparano and Ireland said they were impressed how he handled Kris jenkins and Vince Wilfork alone, without help). He is less good versus a 4-man front because he has to block at angles then, and he seems to be less powerful and physical in that case. At least, that was my impression. I also see him miss blocks in space, so not sure where this athletic, agile, fleet-of-foot stuff they say about Grove is coming from.
Ya they never mention who the scouts are for which players so it keeps them guarded. I'm also not sure how much exposure they get to a player or how much time they put in analyzing a player. I think they miss the boat on some players. I agree with your breakdown of grove over theirs. But it's fun reading another scouting service as you mentioned, whether we are in agreement or not with their comments.
First time I ever heard anyone describe Penny's arm as 'above average'. Have to say it's a solid piece though, pretty good read and analysis.
Seeing Ryan Kalil as the #2 center still irks me. Not because I don't agree with the ranking, but because I truly believe Miami was taking him at #60 in 2007. Then Carolina traded one spot ahead of us (knowing we were gonna take Kalil at #60). Carolin then takes him, and Mueller and Cameron, IMO, not knowing what to do in those 5 minutes as a result take the next best center in Satele (even though he may not have been projected as a 2nd rounder in their minds). No backup plan.......they just had it in their heads that they were going Center so they took one anyway. I was very upset at that on Draft day 2007. Ryan Khalil would look real nice as a Miami Dolphin, and I think that was the plan.