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After the Falcons' game, hits and misses...

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  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    * What the hell was that?

    * That really was an ugly performance by the offense, for the most part. Sure there were some nice moments...

    * Brandon Marshall namely doing everything he could

    * Ricky Williams showing great burst on a swing pass to start the third quarter and finishing off the play with a nice hit on the d back

    * Marlon Moore taking a reverse and finishing it off with a first down and the opposition's helmet going flying (although Marlon got the worst of the hit, but not bad for a lean receiver)

    * Chad Pennington driving the offense in his first series with some good play recognition (reading the blitz, going deeper to Ricky after the d bit on Marshall)

    * But then there was poor play by the o line

    * Even Jake Long had a poor game by his standards, nullifying a first down with a holding call.

    * Incognito missing a block on what could have been a big gainer, a screen to Ricky

    * Grove getting hurt... again, this after starting the game IIRC

    * OL depth is a concern, with Andrew Gardner regressing... Garner hurt, Donald Thomas not rotating up into first string... If we trade for a player this week, I'd put money on it being a lineman (for depth purposes, not as a starter).

    * I thought Henne missed David Martin to his left some time in that second quarter, instead forcing the ball to Fasano who was covered (this wasn't the INT)

    * There were no designed roll outs for Henne to get the ball to the outside, like we saw in that Jax game that resulted in two TD's.

    * There was however a designed roll for Pennington on his first drive... that ended in him getting called for intentional grounding.

    * He just doesn't look the same on that play, as opposed to Henne. When the qb stops moving, he's got to fire that ball to the receiver... something Pennington has a difficult time with.

    * Defense I thought played fairly decent. Vontae Davis was an absolute monster last night. He and Dansby are our best players on defense.

    * We haven't seen any blitz packages... I guess Buffalo is the guinea pig.

    * That's putting unnecessary pressure on a game that we should win easily. Oh yea, the Bills beat us last year... with a backup quarterback...

    * If you're confident in what you have, you're not afraid to show it in the preseason... doesn't have to be the whole kitchen sink, but putting a couple of plugs out there would be nice... instead of a leaky faucet.

    * Sean Smith sat out the first quarter due to breaking a team rule... got tweet? He really has to be careful on that double move though.

    * Jason Allen started in his place... did give up a TD.. but I think he makes this team. He gave up that TD to the Falcons best receiver whom he apparently was asked to cover one on one. Good throw and catch. I don't know if he was expecting safety help on that play or not. The coaches do...

    * He's a nice guy to have on the roster because, absent a healthy Will Allen, he is apparently the first guy they will ask to cover the outside receiver should SS4 or VD21 go down.

    * Benny Sapp with an excellent special teams play.

    * He should make the team as well, and we could roster as many as 10 DB's: S Smith, V Davis, J Allen, W Allen, Carroll, Sapp, Culver, Bell, Jones and Clemons.

    * Which means another position is going to be not as deep... I'm thinking ILB... although we carry four if Crowder is hurt (no official word on that, why would there be).

    * Dobbins has outplayed Ayodele in two preseason games vs Ayodele's previous two seasons.

    * I think Micah Johnson is ahead of Spitler and Folsom, but that is no guarantee that he makes the team.

    * We could be bringing in a new TE after Haynos went down with an apparent serious injury last night. (edited)

    * Real good thing we have David Martin back in the mix.

    * There's been a Pat White sighting... and a Pat Turner sighting... all on the same play...

    * Wouldn't be surprised if both somehow made the team.

    * I think Turner is the more likely, given the Camarillo trade.

    * Marlon Moore has already made it.

    * If the final roster is 90% decided by Sparano, that leaves only five or six spots left to be filled. Game four will decide those. But that fourth game is always ugly.

    * I will be curious to see if Henne even plays though. Offense has been inconsistent to say the least, it's not all play calling. Penalties, running the wrong routes, (DROPS, thanks LFF)..timing... execution.has been lacking. Fundamental stuff that should not be a concern heading into week one against the Bills... yeah, I can see Henne playing..

    *two more weeks...:hi5:
     
  2. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    another disappointment, time for the Tuna to have a talk w/ the boys
     
  3. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    How or at the very least when? He was claimed by the Broncos after we cut him.
     
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  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    ah yes, one of my threads is not complete without a Stitches correction... EDITING! :tongue2:

    BTW, this is not a pic of Stitches at his day job... don't think it is...

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  5. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    thin ice: lack of aggression & desire to win
    the offensive line has to be corrected immediately
     
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  6. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Is anyone else concerned about the dropped passes ?? Henne and the offense's night may not have been a lot better, but there were at least 4 drops...maybe 5...and then the officials seem to give one away to the Falcons as well on the Marshall play. I just think that too little is being made of this issue.
     
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  7. siciliansith

    siciliansith Resident Deviant

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    While i believe Sparano has a plan the Orca Five showed some major blow holes! I agree we need to light a fire here
     
  8. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    no, you're correct... not as many drops as the first game, but it's an issue. Hartline, Bess and I think Marshall each had drops. Fasano also tried a one handed spinneroo from Pennington, where I think he could have gone up with both hands and tried to catch it, instead of that half assed attempt.
     
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  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Excellent observation, the Oline played as timid as I've ever seen that unit operate, there was not a single case of them blowing the Falcons off of the Los.

    -7 drops
    -2 tipped passes
    -5 penalties
    -20 yds rushing
    -0- TD's
    2 route miscommunications between Henne and Bmarsh

    It was ugly all around.
     
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  10. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    I still say getting rid of justin smiley was a big mistake. I know he was injury prone but when he played he was solid in my opinion.
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Enjoyed that post Pauly..

    Didn't like this game going in, just had a bad feeling, and wanted to escape with no injury.

    Iam happy though with the coaches being as vanilla as possible...I agree with their approach to the game. Is there any validity in the notion that that some of the sloppiness is due to a lack of a gameplanning?

    The bad part about the game, and the rest of the preseason for that matter, is that when we just line up and play base sets, lots of individual battles, we get beat, and look sloppy doing so..

    Sparano cannot be to happy right now, I know he feels accountable, and he should, he's got to get his team emotionally involved and playing with enthusiasm despite going against a huge defender...{sun life stadium}.. That place is a morgue..what a disadvantage.

    We seem to be becoming a sh#@ home team, and a pretty good one on the road.....Hmmm, I wonder why?...I haven't seen the team act like their practice Tshirt proclaims..not much howlin goin on in that place.

    Except VD24..........Vontae "the hip breaker" Davis.... VD24 {that's a good nickname Paul}

    Don't think there is any question at this point about the little competition he had goin with SS21 as to who is the better corner..SS21 better step up his game if he wants to fu#@ with VD24, cause if your gonna do that, than you better be careful know what iam sayin..lol

    I keep tellin yeah, this freak missle is gonna hurt someone...dude breaks hips..lol, I love it...he did some things in both run and coverage that were just explosive...His nickname suits him, he is a Dangerous player.

    Frummandah Finnatic said it best...'Matt Ryan just got VD...

    Ronnie Brown just sees the field beautifully from the wildcat, I know he didn't gain a lot of yards, a few 3 and 4 yard runs, but damn do I love his skillset out of that formation..If I could scheme most of his runs out of the wildcat, I would.. It looks like the coaches believe in the hybrid, they dont need any reminders, lol.

    Man I cant wait to watch that screen pass, burst, and finish by the Black demon..Like you said Pauly,the burst was there, and the finish was vintage ricky williams, getting lower than the defender, right at the finish {and it was low}, followed with a punishing blow..

    I dont need to see any more carries from him, give him 2 weeks off and make em wanna hit some bills.

    Looks like were gonna have 2 new big young receivers added to the roster, which 2, Moore and ?

    Tony Mcdaniels did not dissapoint me, he caused that INT with serious inside pressure, and pure length, he plays with very good leverage and balance.. should push for PT imo, even if its on the end for Langford... Starks/MCD/Solai at Dtackle is a very strong unit...bottom line, MCD is a baller and is gonna get paid next offseason, If iam Irish, I either have to sign him, or try to get a high round pick for...in both situations, we win.
     
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  12. Stitches

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    VD24 and SS21? :confused2:

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  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    LOLLL..Ahhhh damn you always get me Stitch...iam ******ed.
     
  14. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Or just call it, "Vontae Davis and everyone else."
     
  15. Dolfan984

    Dolfan984 Underrated Free Agent

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    This whole thread Stitches is just owning everyone. :lol:
     
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  16. m ino

    m ino New Member

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    stitches job is escorting old ladies down the street??nice!:knucks:
     
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  17. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Is that him at the bottom making his escape with the weed?
     
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  18. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Can you imagine if he had mod power? "like ringing the dinner bell, for christ's sake"...
     
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  19. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    After watching this game I am more convinced than ever that we made a big mistake in the draft. We should have gone after a true 3-4 nose tackle and a good free safety in the early rounds. Our pass rush sucks the big one and our defensive backs are still very suspect.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Well, I suppose that is a possibility. We know they still have their usual "walkthrough" before the game. Now what this consists of vs a regular season game could be different. More bodies, less reps with the same personnel during this walkthrough. But one would think that the amount of training camp reps (less days off during the week) should offset that effect.

    I would suggest for the Cowboys' game, if we are playing starters that they have a separate walk through from the 2nd and 3rd stringers. Treat it like a regular season game from that aspect. If you're scripting plays, have them run those plays as a group. If it's 25 plays, run those 25 plays with the first unit in the game and then get them out. Give them some confidence heading into the regular season. At least get them into a rhythm. That first game up in Buffalo... really a must win... gotta get off to a fast start this season with weeks two thru four consisting of 2009 playoff teams.
     
  21. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Have to agree, Starks is the best pass rusher on the starting Dline, no one else among the starters have shown the ability to create pressure from base defense, and when we went to a 4-3 (YES!) we still did not produce pressure.

    Though Charles Grant was in the backfield a couple of times and they did not run any stunts or twists out of the 4 man dline.
     
  22. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    no way I'm agreeing that we should have changed our direction in the 2010 draft though. Way to premature for that.

    Seems like our D plays better at home but our O plays better on the road. Parcells returning to Dallas next week... that could get interesting even though he won't be there. Wonder if there's a message to be sent in response to Jerruh's drunken bar rant...
     
  23. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Exactly, I'm not a rear view mirror driver, we have who we have and they have to get the job done.

    I agree with the lack of a passrush portion, which is odd as it was a lack across the board, which makes me think the Unit as the whole doesn't have their legs back under them.


    More encouraging was the performance of the run defense, every unit the #1's, #2's and even the #3's held up well against the run.

    Which is what we will need against the Bills on opening day.


    Eh, TBH I hope Henne is in for two drives, Penny plays a bit to evaluate the Wr's, then let Thiggy and White run with the remaining time, I'd like to see the Starters on the sideline at the end of the first Qtr.
     
  24. GMJohnson

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    C'mon man. The draft was a failure after 3 preseason games, really? Like Irish & co say, you can't just invent a top flight NT out of thin air. Every 3-4 team in the league had a shot at Dan Williams, Jerry Hughes etc, and they all passed until Zona and Indy took them. That should tell you something about what the pro scouts thought. If we generate consistent pass rush this year, it'll be from stunts and blitzes, with an occasional pressure from Wake and a sprinkle of sacks from Starks. That was clear just from looking at the roster. Safety will be an issue, Clemons scares me. But so does Madieu Williams, Brodney Pool, Pat Chung, Allen Ball, Darrel Stuckey and alot of other FSs on other teams. Everyone has holes except the All Pro team, and lucky for us, we don't have to play them.
     
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    Play the 1s for four quarters, and lets put up 50 points. Maybe then I won't have to hear all of this :tantrum: and :angry: and :cry:'.
     
  26. padre31

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    The other thing that should be pointed out is last preseason, Gm #3 vs the Bucs was not exactly stellar either, so let's have some perspective on all of this.
     
  27. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Stop trying to put words on my keyboard. I didn't say it was a failure or that the players we drafted won't perform well for us. I am saying we have very, very obvious holes on our D that we did not fill in the draft or free agency.
     
  28. djphinfan

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    The concept of making your guys stay completely basic in their formations all preseason might have a positive affect...With this type of gameplanning coaching staff that believes their unpredictability is a weapon, it makes so much sense to not show anything in these meaningless games.....it may be having an affect on the players execution Idk..

    If its not that, than it better be the legs..
     
  29. padre31

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    Here is what bothers me Deej, they did the same thing in 08 and 09, and we started out playing poorly, why do the same crap over again and expect a different, better result?



    I think it is exactly that, TC broke Wednesday? We played on Friday evening, two days is not very much time to recover.

    I suspect this week the Oline will be firing off the ball because last night they were just sort of leaning on people.
     
  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I wonder why he's pissed...lack of focus, unemotional?

    Flat and being at home are becoming synonymous...
     
  31. padre31

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    They looked tired and unexplosive to me Deej, the same thing that happened last season when we played Tampa, there was all of this hype about "Gm #3" we go into the game and we had..nothing.

    That is what troubles me things this yr are mirroring last yr, and we cannot have that or we will be buried with a 0-3 start with two divisional losses.

    Sparano has to do better than that, imho he should play the starters sparingly against the Cowboys just so they are fresh for the Buffalo game.
     
  32. djphinfan

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    Them breaking camp 2 days before the this game is tough..Phil Simms just got done saying that you should watch out for teams breaking camp and playing a game..He said it's very tough to play, and that he hated it and did not play well.

    On top of that we dont have the energy in the stadium to lift them at all..They play with no edge.
     
  33. padre31

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    Well, imho a Qb has no excuse, the Big Boys are just worn out, and two, Douglas and Grant, where late pickups who more than likely are not in Game Shape yet.

    As I've said, the NFL is unlike any other sport in the world in terms of hitting and being hit and it just takes time for guys to get up to speed.

    That is a part of the reason why I think Grant will be big for us this year, hungry, talented veteran who knows this is his last opportunity..dude was nearly a UFLer..which is a real career wake up call.

    BTW, check out the Season Ticket thread up in Club, that should cheer you up a bit Deej.
     
  34. Makados10

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    I just really hate this 'not showing our defensive scheme' in the pre-season BS.

    If our defensive philosophy is to dictate to the opposing offense, then total surprise shouldn't be a factor in showing anything in pre-season.
     
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  35. Two Tacos

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    I haven't seen anything this preseason that makes me think that NT is a hole. I'm not sure what your looking at? Misi should help the pass rush, the corners have had issues not the safeties. We could have drafted Earl, but then would have lost Misi and Odrick. What would you have done differently?
     
  36. adamprez2003

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    earl is playing like crap. thank god we didnt draft him
     
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  37. Pandarilla

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    I think Dansby is really good at covering TE's.

    I think Misi has talent as evidenced by a sweet spin move to get off a block and tackle Turner.

    I think our secondary looks better than last year.

    I think John Jerry solves our RG dilemna.

    I think our offensive line is overrated.

    I think the wide receivers still need to learn how to catch a fastball from Henne.

    I think Henne needs to tell people to STFU when being told he needs to work on his touch.

    I think we've got the best backup QB in the league.

    I think we've got 3 solid pickups in Douglas, Grant and Sapp.

    I think we might of just had our best draft since Jimmy Johnson era.
     
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  38. godolphins

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    After watching how the cowboys first team played last night i'm not to worry about the dolphins, if you didn't watch the game just compare the cowboys stat sheet to the dolphins there complety identical.
     

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