QB- Henne, Pennington, Thigpen, White- yes I think we keep White i still feel the have the package in the works RB- Brown, Williams, Cobbs, Hillard FB- Polite, Lumbala-I keep Lumbala bc he can play TE as well TE- Fasano, Martin WR- Marshall, Bess, Hartline, Moore, Wallace LT- Long LG- Incognito, Thomas C- Grove, Berger RG- Jerry RT- Carey, Garner DE- Langford, McDaniel, Douglas NT- Starks, Soliai DE- Odrick, Grant WOLB- Wake, Anderson ILB- Chrowder, Dobbins ILB- Dansby, Johnson SOLB- Misi, Francis CB- Davis, Carroll, Sapp CB- J.Allen, Smith, W.Allen I think J.Allen is better than Smith but either way once W.Allen comes back healthy he is our starter SS- Bell, Jones FS-Clemons, Culver K-Carpenter P-Fields LS-Denny Im not sure if they would go this thin on the O-line but if I were to take a player off it would be Wallace. So what do you guys think will be our 53. and go ahead tear my apart
I like it but agree o-line is thin, i say we drop Douglas, and one qb and get o-line depth on the tackles. Oh and J allen over Smith is a bit prmature in my mind!
I dont think so I cant think of one thing Smith does better than Allen. I think Allen hjas improved and Sith is just blah. On another note Davis looked great I cant say enough about him. He he can keep that type of play up he is going to be in for a probowl year.
LMAO a little Freudian slip there haha (is that how ya say it lol). I just think Sean has more upside and he wasn't that bad last yr. He may be having a preseason slump but i also think the coaching staff is trying to light a fire so there over playing his faults. JMO the Sean Smith sucks idea is a bit overblown
Marques Douglas has an excellent shot at playing over 400 plays this yr, in fact it would not shock me if he started Opening Day over Odie. Tough to tell right now, imho Sparano is saying "90% of the roster is settled" but #48-#53 are still wide open..and I think they add 1 or 2 players off of the waiver wire.
yeah I like Dougles but not that much, although he probally is better as a whole right now. I know we both like Logan but maybe a trade with Thigpen
I need a bit of a refresher on douglas but i just dont hear his name much. Mcdaniel has been here, and i doubt anyone takes odricks spot being a number 1 pick and all. I trying to get a defensive guy out to give some oline help to rickys list which i like. I also see w.Allen or Garner going on reserve. I guess maybe Grant or Francis go on PS if eligible. But they are lighting it up for new guys imo But yeah i need more info on Douglas now that you think his play count is that high. Sparano loves that stuff.
I'll make my list under the assumption that we don't add anyone from other rosters. We probably will, so I'll guarantee my list won't be correct. But if I'm Jeff Ireland, these are my 53 I take to Buffalo. I'll even put an * by the players I'll mark inactive for the 45-man game day roster. QB - Henne, Pennington, Thigpen* RB - Brown, Williams, Cobbs, Hilliard* FB - Polite WR - Marshall, Bess WR - Hartline, Moore TE - Fasano, Martin, Haynos* LT - Long, Murtha LG - Incognito, Thomas* C - Grove, Berger RG - Jerry RT - Carey, Garner* DE - Odrick, Douglas NT - Starks, Soliai DE - Langford, McDaniel, Grant LB - Wake, Anderson, McCoy* LB - Dansby, Johnson* LB - Crowder, Dobbins LB - Misi, Alama-Francis CB - Smith, J. Allen FS - Clemons, Jones SS - Bell, Culver CB - Davis, Sapp, Carroll, W. Allen* K - Carpenter P - Fields LS - Denney Some notes: - Thigpen is the emergency 3rd QB. - I'll keep Hilliard on the 53 in case of injury; he brings a little something to the party. - I'm only keeping 4 WRs as that's typically how many we have active on game days. I think it's a safe assumption that if you put someone like Pruitt and/or Wallace on the PS, they won't be poached, and can be called up if need be. - I'll deactivate Haynos due to the injury, otherwise I'd only keep 3 WRs active, which is something we've done in the past. The '08 wild-card game comes to mind. - I'll deactivate Nate Garner but keep him on the roster until that foot is healed; far to valuable to not stick. Donald Thomas gets deactivated on gamedays as Murtha is now the swing tackle (I'd hope this is one area we look at after cuts!!!) - I think Chris McCoy gets the Lionel Dotson treatment right now, and Micah Johnson looks good enough to keep. If he can play special teams, then you might be able to activate him on gamedays, but for now, he won't dress. - I'll keep Will Allen around for now, but it wouldn't shock me at all if he's a salary cap casualty if he's not recovered soon. Some of my tougher cuts include Patrick Turner, Lionel Dotson, and Quentin Moses. Turner - you'd have hoped he could show more than Moore, but I haven't seen it. Dotson - I'd like to keep one young guy behind Odrick and Langford, but the savvy vets (Douglas, McDaniel, Grant) send him packing. Moses - I almost trust the devil we know, more than the devil we don't know much about yet (Alama-Francis). I'll add Nate Ness up there as well. Perhaps you keep him if Will Allen is goner now that we have Sapp and Carroll both working the nickel CB spot. Jason Allen gives you some versatility as well, so perhaps Reshad Jones might be feeling the heat a little bit as well.
Here's my prediction, which is assuming Haynos is badly injured. The biggest surprises I predict are 1) keeping White on the roster (as an active WR), 2) having Jonathan Amaya and Micah Johnson make the 53, 3) keeping Turner on the roster, and 4) carrying only two active TEs on the 53. The toughest cuts for me (in order) were Proctor, Hilliard, Murtha, Dotson and JD Folsom. Best candidates for a trade moving forward into the end of preseason are probably Thigpen, Douglas or Grant (allowing us to keep Dotson), and Q. Moses Offense (24) QB - Henne, Pennington, Thigpen* RB - Brown, Williams, Cobbs FB - Polite WR - Marshall, Bess, Turner* WR - Hartline, Moore, P. White TE - Fasano, Martin LT - Long, Gardner LG - Incognito, Garner C - Grove, Berger RG - Jerry, D. Thomas* RT - Carey Defense (26) DE - Odrick, Douglas, McDaniel* NT - Starks, Soliai DE - Langford, Grant LB - Wake, Anderson, Q. Moses* LB - Dansby, Johnson* LB - Crowder, Dobbins LB - Misi, Alama-Francis CB - Smith, J. Allen CB- Davis, Sapp, Carroll FS - Clemons, Culver, Amaya* SS - Bell, Jones* Specialists (3) K - Carpenter P - Fields LS - Denney *= inactive on game days PUP List: W. Allen, J. Haynos IR: A.J. Edds, P. Merling, K. Sheets Practice Squad: R. Baker (DE) A. Hartline (C) C. McCoy (OLB) L. Murtha (OT) J. Nalbone (TE) N. Ness (CB) J. Pruitt (WR) A. Spitler (ILB)
Poco, how exactly are Haynos and WAllen going to get on the PUP list? I can't imagine our team only rostering two TEs either, especially considering our propensity for 2 TE sets.
I think youve almost hit it head on to be honest. My exceptions would be that im pretty certain we'll keep 5 WR and the 5th will be either turner or wallace. Also, in my personal opinion i think we keep white and thigpen is gone. Besides that, nicely done
There's pretty much a 0% chance that we only have 4 WRs on our 53 man roster IMO. I don't think McCoy has shown enough in the base D or STs to make the team this year either.
I don't know that it's 0%. Since this FO got here, I don't think they've once gone into a game with 5 WRs active, and have gone in with 3 WRs several times. Is there really a point to having a 5th WR if he's not going to be active, especially if we have to stash guys like Will Allen and Nate Garner who will contribute when healthy? A 5th WR probably eliminates one of them.
A 5th WR probably eliminates a 4th RB, 4th ILB, 9th OL, or 10th DB. There is a reason teams typically don't go through the season with 4 WRs on their 53 man roster. If one ever got nicked up, they'd have to cut someone just to bring a guy in. Sure we have gone through games with 3 healthy WRs before, and in those games we've struggled passing the ball. Badly.
cause they're hurt. I think Will Allen needs more time (he's been largely out for the preseason), and the severity of Haynos' injury last night is a hunch on my part. A guy can be placed on the PUP as long as he doesn't see a minute of practice in the regular season, no? I could see us bringing in a more experienced TE for the reason you describe (which would probably bump a guy like Amaya to the PS). A couple decent guys will probably be floating around after teams cut down. There's a battle between Quarless and Tom Crabtree up in Green Bay for the last TE spot worth watching. I refuse to believe that Nalbone is an adequate #3 TE at this point.
That's not how the PUP list works, you can't just randomly put guys on it who get hurt in preseason games. Once you participate in training camp, even if it is just one snap, you're ineligible for the PUP. I'd agree, nothing Nalbone has shown makes me think he's an adequate #3. Not sure they'd bring someone in though (at least not right away).
I understand that. My roster was under the assumption we're going to keep Will Allen around once his knee is better. I had 6 CBs, which to my knowledge, we've never kept before under this regime. I don't think it's out of the question to keep Pruitt and/or Wallce on the practice squad. If a WR does get dinged up, I don't think it'd be a problem to slide one or both of them through and call them up. You still have an injured Will Allen and Nate Garner on the roster, and you can still eliminate that 4th RB, 4th ILB, etc.
QB (3) - Henne. Pennington. Thigpen TB (4) - Brown. Williams. Cobbs. Hilliard FB (1) - Polite TE (3) - Fasano. Martin. Nalbone. Haynos WR (5) - Marshall. Hartline. Bess. Turner. Moore ** OT (3)- Long. Carey. Gardner OG (4) - Incognito. Jerry. Thomas. Procter Garner C (2) - Grove. Berger DE (5) - Langford. Odrick. Douglas. Grant. McDaniel NT (2) - Starks. Soliai OLB (5) - Misi. Wake. Alma-Francis. Anderson*. ??? ILB (4) - Dansby. Dobbins. Crowder. Johnson/Spitler CB (6) - Davis. Smith. Carroll. Sapp**. J Allen/Ness. Allen S (4) - Bell. Clemons. Culver. Jones. ??? K - Carpenter P - Fields LS - Denney I see us wanting to protect Carroll, Moore, Wallace, Spitler, McCoy and Amaya And we have invested in Dotson, Baker, Murtha, Hartline, Pruitt, and Turner ... but roster spots are tough to come by -- so tough decisions will need to be made as to how we can hold on to these guys, since none seemed poised to make a significant contribution this year. Haynos, Garner, W Allen could all be placed on the injured roster and give us 1/2 the season for them to heal and for us to see where we stand before activating them. Garner would automatic, but Haynos and Allen might not be .... We 'may' find a way to stash another 1 or 2 of the developmental guys on IR as well to protect them for next year, knowing that they aren't ready for this year .... so we don't have to expose them to the PS -- like we did with Murtha last year .... Guys like Sapp (DB) and Anderson (LB) will be important in that they can play multiple positions ... I still maintain that we aren't happy with our OLB and S positions -- and will probably make a move sometime in the next 10 days to bolster the roster ....
Gardner is a guy that I personally thought was going to develop into a good player but he has certainly disappointed..........maybe you can get him onto the PS...if not...ho hum.......
I paid close attention to special teams in the Atlanta game. For the most part we know who the starters are on offense and defense. Based on what I saw Friday night these are our starters on special teams: 1. Brandon Fields / Dan Carpenter 2. Patrick Cobbs 3. Lex Hillard 4. Roberto Wallace (played every snap on special teams) 5. Micah Johnson (played every snap on special teams) 6. Charlie Anderson 7. Erik Walden 8. Benny Sapp 9. Tyrone Culver 10. Nolan Carroll 11. Jason Allen 12. Kevin Hobbs 13. John Denney (on punts and field goals) Those guys were fixtures on special teams. Bodes well for the rookies (Wallace and Johnson) as well as Jason Allen and Kevin Hobbs. Guys who didn't play on special teams at all: Julius Pruitt, Chris McCoy, Quentin Moses, J.D. Folsom, Rolly Lumbala, John Nalbone, and Ross Weaver. That does not bode well for them. Guys who played on special teams a little bit in the second half: David Martin, Lou Polite, Tim Dobbins, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Austin Spitler, Jonathan Amaya, Reshad Jones, and Nate Ness. Marlon Moore returned one kick but other than that he didn't play at all on special teams. Joey Haynos was a key blocker on the field goal unit. Now that he is injured I don't know who will take his spot. Could be John Nalbone. Maybe Rolly Lumbala. Or neither. So with all that in mind here is my final prediction for the 53 man roster: QB: Chad Henne, Chad Pennington, Tyler Thigpen WR: Brandon Marshall, Patrick Turner, Roberto Wallace WR: Brian Hartline, Davone Bess RB: Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, Lex Hilliard FB: Lou Polite TE: Anthony Fasano, David Martin, John Nalbone* LT: Jake Long LG: Richie Incognito, Lydon Murtha C: Jake Grove, Joe Berger RG: John Jerry, Donald Thomas RT: Vernon Carey, Nate Garner NT: Randy Starks, Paul Soliai DE: Kendall Langford, Tony McDaniel DE: Jared Odrick, Marques Douglas, Charles Grant OLB: Cameron Wake, Charlie Anderson, Erik Walden OLB: Koa Misi, Ikaika Alama-Francis ILB: Karlos Dansby, Micah Johnson ILB: Channing Crowder, Tim Dobbins CB: Vontae Davis, Benny Sapp CB: Sean Smith, Will Allen, Nolan Carroll SS: Yeremiah Bell, Tyrone Culver FS: Chris Clemons, Reshad Jones K: Dan Carpenter P: Brandon Fields LS: John Denney Practice squad: Chris McCoy, Austin Spitler, Marlon Moore, Jonathon Amaya, Andrew Gardner, Andrew Hartline, Nate Ness (if he is still eligible) Cut: Pat White, Jason Allen, Quentin Moses, Lionel Dotson, Ryan Baker, Montavious Stanley, Julius Pruitt, J.D. Folsom, Rolly Lumbala, Ray Feinga, Ross Weaver, Kevin Hobbs *John Nalbone is the first one cut if we pick up a player cut from another team.
I'd like to toot my own horn about the Haynos thing. If I had to revise mine, I'd probably put Walden in over Q. Moses because of his special teams value. And since I clearly don't understand the PUP, W. Allen needs to slide back in at the expense of someone, probably Micah Johnson or Amaya.
Sometimes you are looking to see if you see something "else" in guys on the bubble...you know what you have for the most part on St's with JAllen, Folsom, Nalbone, Ness...those guys have been around a while......guys that are on the fringe may just get pushed over the top because you see "something"..like Wallace, Spitler, or Pruitt...btw, I thought Pruitt was the flyer on Punt coverage and played on at least 1 or 2 KO coverage units...maybe I am wrong but I thought he did.......but again I have drank a lot of scotch on my days....my mind could be gone.
QB- Henne, Pennington, Thigpen, White RB- Brown, Williams, Cobbs, Hillard FB- Polite, HB-Murtha TE- Fasano, Martin & Murtha @ blocking TE WR- Marshall, Bess, Hartline, Moore, Turner LT- Long LG- Incognito, Garner C- Grove, Berger RG- Jerry, Thomas RT- Carey, Murtha (has played & can play as H-Back & Blocking TE) DE- Langford, McDaniel, Grant NT- Starks, Soliai DE- Odrick, Douglas WOLB- Wake, Anderson ILB- Crowder, Dobbins ILB- Dansby, Johnson SOLB- Misi, Moses, Francis CB- Davis, Sapp, Carroll CB- W.Allen, J.Allen, Smith SS- Bell, Culver FS-Clemons, Jones K-Carpenter P-Fields LS-Denny
Big Red .... i think we are mostly on the same page ... i know we've talked Walden before -- and not sure they'll keep him 'just' for STs ... unless he is some super stud -- which i haven't heard (haven't had time to watch the last 2 games yet). Have no issue with Wallace over Moore/Pruitt based on STs .... especially with his size and 'potential' For Murtha over Gardner (even though you have him at G) ... had high hopes for Gardner when we drafted him -- but also saw the value and how quickly we picked up Murtha and stashed him away to protect him, so i'm good either way ... i did say earlier this year that Murtha had a 'chance' to stick if he could prove himself a Garner-esque type lineman since we seem to like Ts to mold into Gs -- so, looks like he has ... which is very good for us I still think we are a little short at OLB and S ... and maybe TE -- but i'll still give Nalbone a small window, so we'll pick up a few folks during the cut down periods .... I haven't seen Johnson, but he is getting some pretty good reports on this site -- and since we don't really have any other serious ILB ... have no issue with him carving out a spot. I don't see J Allen on your roster .... which will cause some angst with some folks here QB: Chad Henne, Chad Pennington, Tyler Thigpen WR: Brandon Marshall, Patrick Turner, Roberto Wallace WR: Brian Hartline, Davone Bess RB: Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, Lex Hilliard FB: Lou Polite TE: Anthony Fasano, David Martin, John Nalbone LT: Jake Long LG: Richie Incognito, Lydon Murtha C: Jake Grove, Joe Berger RG: John Jerry, Donald Thomas RT: Vernon Carey, Nate Garner NT: Randy Starks, Paul Soliai DE: Kendall Langford, Tony McDaniel DE: Jared Odrick, Marques Douglas, Charles Grant OLB: Cameron Wake, Charlie Anderson, Erik Walden OLB: Koa Misi, Ikaika Alama-Francis ILB: Karlos Dansby, Micah Johnson ILB: Channing Crowder, Tim Dobbins CB: Vontae Davis, Benny Sapp CB: Sean Smith, Will Allen, Nolan Carroll SS: Yeremiah Bell, Tyrone Culver FS: Chris Clemons, Reshad Jones K: Dan Carpenter P: Brandon Fields LS: John Denney Practice squad: Chris McCoy, Austin Spitler, Marlon Moore, Jonathon Amaya, Andrew Gardner, Andrew Hartline, Nate Ness (if he is still eligible)
Friend PHINANALYST: both Murtha & Garner are multi-positional... I believe we will carry nine offensive linesmen, not eight. Garner works exceptionally well w/Long @ LG & can play across the middle to RT. Carey is the LT back-up & Murtha would back him up @ RT. Lyndon Murtha has exceptionable speed & good hands for an offensive linesman & can be utilized as a blocking TE or H-Back. I think Thomas will be the back-up @ RG. I'd take Moses over Walden @ OLB.
Hilliard is a starter on special teams. He sticks for sure. I would be very surprised if we only kept four wideouts. Never seen that happen. That's what I thought going into the Falcons game. But McCoy didn't play on special teams at all. Now I'm not so sure. I would bet on McCoy clearing waivers and landing on the practice squad. Like Hilliard, MJ was a starter on special teams against the Falcons. Played every snap on special teams. It seems very likely he'll stick. If Will Allen sticks then Jason Allen will be cut. If Jason Allen sticks then Will Allen will go on IR. We just don't have enough info about Will Allen's injury. The trade for Benny Sapp doesn't tell us anything because Sapp plays special teams as well as the nickel. Jason is a special teamer and Will was playing the nickel. So which one is Sapp replacing? We will find out in about a week. You may be right about Turner but I suspect he sticks. Agree on Dotson and Moses. Sad to see them go but neither has fulfilled their potential. Nate Ness is tricky. He has potential. If he has any PS eligibility left I suspect he will end up there. If not he will probably be cut. Look for another team to grab him up. Reshad Jones is safe. Especially if we cut Jason Allen. Jones would take his place on special teams. I don't see Pat White sticking over a special teams player but you never know. For instance it could come down to keeping Micah Johnson (who played every snap on special teams against the Falcons) versus keeping Pat White who hasn't played hardly at all. I don't see Amaya making the team. We usually only carry four safeties and he is not a standout on special teams. I agree that Turner will stick. We might only carry two tight ends for a day or so but if we cut Nalbone we will pick up a third tight end after other teams have made their cuts. We might even bring back Kory Sperry. J.D. Folsom? That guy was lucky to be invited back to training camp. I forgot all about Proctor. Murtha will probably stick. Hilliard is a starter on special teams. He will stick for sure. Plus he is a very good backup in case Ronnie or Ricky get injured. Hate to see Dotson go. He was a stud in college. But that was then... My guess is that Pat White is on the trading block. Big time. IMO Thigpen and Douglas are more likely to stick than be traded. Grant is borderline but as a fan I love his enthusiasm. That alone makes me think he will take Dotson's spot but you never know. We won't get anything for Moses. He will be cut. We will do more than protect Carroll. He will return kicks for us this year. You may be right about Moore. I believe he is better than Turner but PT's draft status gives him an edge. Wallace might be a starter on special teams. Up to this point Spitler, McCoy, and Amaya have not done enough. They will get one last chance against Dallas but chances are slim IMO. Dotson, Baker, and Pruitt will probably be cut. Hartline may be able to go on the practice squad. Murtha and Turner will probaby stick. Haynos has already been cut. If Nate Garner and Will Allen go on the IR they are gone for the whole season not 1/2 the season. We will have to carry them on the 53 and they will be inactive until they are healthy. Murtha was inactive for most of the season before he was placed on IR. They are both starters on special teams.
You may be right. I am working off the assumption that the third preseason game is a dress rehearsal for the season. If that is the case, then Folsom, Nalbone, Ness, Spitler, and Pruitt are not core special teams players. Pruitt did not play a single snap on special teams in the first half. He might have gotten in there late in the game but at that point the starters are no longer playing.
Great minds think alike. I don't know how serious Will Allen's injury is. But assuming Will Allen will be back in a few weeks then I believe Jason Allen will be cut. You may take Moses over Walden but the coaching staff seems to prefer Walden over Moses. Walden was a fixture on special teams. Moses didn't get one snap. At least not in the first half.
Shot in the dark: QB-Chad Henne, Chad Pennington, Tyler Thigpen RB-Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, Stefan Logan FB-Lousaka Polite WR-Brandon Marshall, Brian Hartline, Devone Bess, Marlon Moore, Pat Turner TE-Anthony Fasano, David Martin LT-Jake Long, LG-Richie Incognito, Donald Thomas C-Jake Grove, Joe Berger RG-John Jerry, Nate Garner RT-Vernon Carey, Kyle Calloway LE-Kendall Langford, Tony Mcdaniel, Charles Grant NT-Randy Starks, Paul Soliai RE-Jared Odrick, Marques Douglas WOLB-Cameron Wake, Charlie Anderson, Erik Walden ILB-Karlos Dansby, Channing Crowder, Tim Dobbins, Micah Johnson SOLB-Koa Misi, Ikaika Illama-Francis CB-Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Will Allen, Jason Allen, Nolan Carroll, Benny Sapp FS-Chris Clemons, Rashad Jones SS-Yeremiah Bell, Tyrone Culver LS-John Denney K-Dan Carpenter P-Brandon Fields
