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  1. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the defense was superb
     
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  2. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    i wonder if people on the Falcon message boards are talking this way about Matt Ryan?
     
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  3. Bpk

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    I also want to see Henne progress. Right now I see more WR's dropping balls than is normal and I have to ask if Henne isn't part of the issue, as on the underthrow of Marshall deep... or the first throw to Marshall where he put it on the back of Marshalls kidneys instead of leading him and Marshall still caught it, or the one he threw at Marshall's shoelaces and Marshall still caught.
     
  4. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

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    I think Henne did great today considering that the last time he was at the Bills he threw 3 INTS. He's not Dan Marino but that doesn't mean he won't be good, a win is a win!!
     
  5. surferosa

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    THREE OFFSEASONS? Drew Brees had 11 TD's and 15 INT's after THREE OFFSEASONS in San Diego.

    Guy is still learning.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    One game of not throwing a deep ball well? One game? Really? This is a 16 game season, not a 1 gamer. Henne's shown on many occasions that he can throw the deep ball accurately and make down field passes that Penny could only dream of.

    How can you say Penny would be better when Henne didn't turn the ball over and had 60% plus completions against a very good Buffalo secondary (despite 6 dropped passes)? Those stats (when you factor in the lone missed deep pass) sounds pretty "Penny-like" to me. The wind was also a factor today, so I highly doubt Penny even gets the pass to Marshall to put him in a position to catch it in the first place.

    You're forgetting one important note: Even though we didn't have a completed deep pass today, we still possess the threat of the deep pass, and that threat alone greatly helps an offense. When Penny is in the game, that threat goes virtually bye-bye.
     
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  7. ToddsPhins

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    Or Matt Schaub's 9/17 for 107. :wink2:
     
  8. tx-fin

    tx-fin Keeping the faith

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    While I don't think Henne sucks, I don't think he is our best choice for starter either. People who keep saying give him time; that's what staying as second string does. If he still needs time, then why is he starting? I see potential in him as well, but we are in the season now, and potential don't count for squat, winning does. Yes, the team won a game today, thanks mostly to the defense. Of our 15 points, 2 was by the defense (safety) and six were from field goals, while about all our drives started from good field position. This was not against a top ranked team either. Henne just does not look comfortable or confident out there, and seems to hold the ball too long, then dumps off to the short safety outlet. Please don't tell me our guys were all covered either; a guy does not have to have a five yard cushion to be considered open. He seems more concerned about his stats (no interceptions) than allowing our recievers to make a play. That is, if one on one, have enough confidence that they will fight for the ball. Maybe he will develop, but just as likely, maybe he will not. Blind faith is not enough for me, and I just don't think he is our best choice. Next week against the Vikings will be a better test, so we will see.
     
  9. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Really? Pennington will be the starter game 5? That's a bold projection. What exactly is it that you think Henne did wrong today?
     
  10. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    By that logic why is Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Matt Cassel, Matt Moore, Kevin Kolb, or Jay Cutler starting? Just because a player isn't perfect doesn't mean they shouldn't be starting. Sitting on the bench is not going to help Henne's development. The only thing that will do that is on field reps. We all know about the parade of QBs to come through Miami in the past decade. We know what happens when we give up on a QB too soon. We know what happens when we don't let our QBs have time to develop. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Do you really want to repeat the past decade?
     
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  11. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    He played solid but not spectacular.
     
  12. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Those balls all had WR's getting both hands on it. Any WR coach will tell you that if you can get 2 hands on a ball you better catch it. No excuses. And ****ty? I'm sorry but Buffalo's secondary is one of the best in football. The rest of their team is crap...but not their secondary.
     
  13. brandon27

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    He didnt catch the dropped passes himself :lol:

    I feel like people expect Henning and Sparano to let Henne go out there and throw 40 passes a week, and expect him to complete at least 30 of them, for at least 350 yards a game. Its not going to happen. That's not a Dan Henning offense. Get over it already, its not going to happen.

    This staff preaches clock control, and ball management. That's what Henne is doing. So yes, you are all right. He's not taking shots, he's checking it down, we're throwing short pass plays. GUESS WHAT?! ITS ALL BY DESIGN. Thats how the coaches want things thing to do. Ball control, clock management, and NO TURNOVERS. It wins games. Get used to it, because we are probably going to see it all season from this staff. Are we going to take our shots deep on some teams, of course we are. But we arent a vertical offense, we are more suited to ball control and clock management. Thats how they call the plays around here, so it is what it is. Its not the QB's fault. I guarantee, you'll hear Sparano complain a bit about soem missed plays, but overall, he'll be please with Henne's performance. He moved the ball, he didnt turn it over, and thats exactly what they ask of him... Whether we as fans, like it or not.
     
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  14. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Henne had a higher rating than Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub. And none of their fans are *****ing about it. Like I've already said, Henne played well. Made some nice throws and didn't turn the ball over, something a lot of us were saying he needed to correct this season. Some of you are just too hard to please. This against a team that has a great secondary. It's the first game, he will only get better as the offense gels.
     
  15. TiP54

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    It's terrifying to think what will go on here when we a actually lose a game.
     
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  16. Bpk

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    Probably mass suicide among the pessimists, leaving only the optimists, who, with no one left to argue with, will then spend their time booking their trip to Canton for Henne's induction. lol.
     
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  17. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I know. We win a game and Henne, Henning, Sparano, et al get thrown under the bus. If we lose the phins.com might get burned to the ground.
     
  18. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    I am spoiled by Madden stat-lines. If we don't have 385 yards rushing, 655 passing yards and win by a score of 84-12 then it's a bad game.
     
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  19. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I know you're being funny, but I think that's where the logical disconnect comes from honestly. I don't see anyone saying that Henne is Hall of Fame bound but I see a lot of people jumping off the cliff saying that Henne is terrible and will never be able to win games in the NFL etc. It's just ridiculous. He's started 14 games, he's 8-6 and has shown signs of being a solid QB with a lot left to learn. I just don't understand what he's shown to warrant this negativity and hate on his game.
     
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  20. Phinatic425

    Phinatic425 MIA State of Mind

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    My thoughts exactly. Why are people making such a big deal about this when we won our first Week 1 game in what...5 years? I knew going into this that it would be a grind it out game and the fact that Henne didn't turn the ball over is good enough for me, and more importantly, good enough to get the Phins a W.
     
  21. CitizenSnips

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    why exactly is Hennes mobility being brought up btw? its not like he was any les mobile today than hes ever been.
     
  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Beyond some fringe fans, I don't see what the big deal is. Is it not OK to rationally criticize a player? Most of us aren't advocating benching Henne or calling him a bust. We're addressing our concerns and the issues at hand with our QB.


    Aaron Rogers has proven himself a great QB. Schuab has played very well too. They can have a mediocre game and their fans know it can be corrected. However, don't think fans aren't going to criticize a poor performance. I'm sure Texan fans are discussing Schaub's bad performance against a bad defense.

    As for Matt Ryan, go check Atlanta boards. I just looked and have read like 4 threads about resigning Michael Vick once his deal is done. One is a petition. :lol: Don't act like Miami fans are the only fans who are quick to judge.

    As for not throwing an INT, it reminds me of a Chris Rock joke about men taking credit for supporting their kids. "People want credit for stuff they're suppose to do.. I take care of my kids, I take care of my kids... You're suppose to take care of your kids you low expectation having idiot!":lol:

    Glad he didn't turn the ball over, but if that's the benchmark for Henne, we're not going to be successful in the long run. QB is a playmaker position. Henne made a few nice throws, but didn't exactly make big plays (one nice throw to Fasano), even the gimme's. I'm not saying he can't or won't in weeks to come, but I'm not overly impressed with this specific performance.
     
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  23. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I would say that people are realizing that their arguments so far in this thread against Henne are overly invalid and at this point it's simply pile on mentality hoping that they can make one of their baseless accusations stick and somehow make us realize that they're right about everything and that Henne sucks. I WOULD say that, but we all know those certain people have their heads shoved so far up their *** that they couldn't realize they're wrong.

    Is Henne perfect? No. Is Henne a horrible QB who's a complete bust and will never win another NFL game? No. Is Henne a young QB starting his 14th game who has shown to be solid but still has a lot to learn as he goes into his second year as a starter? Yes. And I honestly think that should be something that we're all willing to live with. Especially after the QB history we've had over the past decade.
     
  24. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    If all the fans of all the other teams in the NFL jumped off a bridge would you do it too? Shouldn't we aspire to be better than those other fans? We're the fans of the best football team in the history of the NFL and we should conduct oursevles as such. Having this petty pissing matches and flame wars over our franchise QB doesn't represent ourselves as such.
     
  25. NaboCane

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    If you convert him, you get the toaster oven.
     
  26. NolePhin

    NolePhin Look out for D-Bess

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    Well see the thing with this statement here is the fact that no QB to my knowledge comes in after what, 13 starts? And has everything figured out. Someone just pointed out that Drew Brees had 3 bad off seasons before he eventually became a HUGE factor in the Saints winning the Super Bowl. Is Henne perfect? Far from it. But he has shown progress, and he needs time to work out his inconsistencies.

    See paragraph above.

    Well he definitely did not lose the game, and yes he was part of the reason we scored any of the 13 points scored by the offense.

    Actually, in terms of Henne vs the secondary, it was a top ranked group.

    He probably doesn't look comfortable for a couple of reason. 1: He was playing one of the top rated secondaries in the league. 2: As I mentioned before he is still in the process of learning. 3: I'd take the check down with no INT and a WIN than forced throw into traffic rising turning the ball over.

    Is Chad Henne the answer for the future? I don't know and neither does anyone else. I do know he has won more games than he has lost, and he seems to be making progress. As mentioned above, he deserves the same amount of time Brees or any other QB has gotten to develop. He can only develop by playing. Also, I love Pennington, but I don't think playing him over Henne is going to help Henne develop whatsoever. He has sat on the sidelines for a season and 2.5 games. It's his turn to play.
     
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  27. ToddsPhins

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    I'll be more than happy to sit through Henne's EXPECTED growing pains if it means we have 1 QB for the next 12 years. Otherwise we're back to reshuffling the deck and sifting through other teams washed up veterans hoping to turn out a gem (or we could just draft a QB #1 and continue talking about "why Penny should or shouldn't be starting b/c he has more experience"). Penny had 1 good year with us. Does that nullify the years of horrid QB play we experienced before him? Penny's 34. The difference in his play and Henne's at this point is negligible; however, Henne still has PLENTY of upside. The only thing better than watching a talented young QB develop...... is watching him develop while delivering a victory over a rival.
     
  28. finfaninilinois

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    exactly if the offense is going to be run like it was today then I would rather have penny running it - he is so much better than henne running this type of offense
     
  29. ToddsPhins

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    I'm inclined to believe that it was an explicitly stated priority to Henne that he avoid losing the game by not trying to force passes, turn the ball over, etc. I'm impressed that Chad has the composure and mentality to follow through. I like the maturity he's showing.

    The reason we won the division in 08 is b/c we won the turnover battle. If Chad can run a controlled offense while our Defense creates havoc, then we should win the turnover margin and division again.
     
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    That horrid start is what the team has to avoid. A huge role will fall on Henne next week to produce yardage and a couple of big plays to win over Minnesota. He does that they've got a shot.
     
  31. ToddsPhins

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    This is true..... but at the same time, IMO, it's a pyrrhic victory b/c starting Penny means stalling or even preventing Henne's development. Penny is 34. This team is based on youth and for the future. The team needs to grow together. If you stall Henne's development now, then what happens a year or 2 from now when we're REALLY ready to compete for a SB? Then we're left w/o a seasoned QB to count on. If we rely on aged veterans, then we're likely going to ride a roller coaster of success the next 10 years. At some point a team must turn the reigns over to a youngster and take their lumps in the process if they want to see any future consistency. Years of being a contender is worth enduring Henne's continued growth this season.
     
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  32. djphinfan

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    teach him the fundamentals of game managing by one of the best in Pennington, than when you need it, you have the ability and flexibility to change on the fly, and threaten all quarters of the field, which Penny cannot...

    The thing I wonder about is, can you take the slinger out of the gun if you keep practicing it.?
     
  33. ToddsPhins

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    That's a good question. You mean like the "caging of a lion" affect? The thought has crossed my mind.

    I get the impression the FO is very particular about Henne's development, like they place a high priority on making sure his foundation is firmly established before letting him air it out. Maybe they feel Chad has that cerebral type mindset that will allow him to effectively control an offense and they want to take every measure to maximize it. ???? Just a random thought.
     
  34. FinSane

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    Some of those drops came courtesy of Mr. Brian Hartline. Im not sure why Hartline is the #2. He doesn't jump very high for balls, isn't consistent, nor is he fast. I think Bess should start opposite Marshall, since he's at least reliable and can get some yards after the catch, even though his motor needs jumpstarting once he catches the ball. I know Bess is our "underneath" guy, but I dont see why he can't play a dual role. The #2 on basic sets and the #3 underneath guy on 3 WR sets. I don't think Hartline can cut it as a starter, he doesn't seem to have the skill set. As a role playing #3 or 4 on the depth chart perhaps. Maybe Marlon Moore eventually starts, with his speed and height, could be what Patrick Turner was supposed to be.
     
  35. Fin D

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    Has Henne progressed?

    To answer that, you need to look at his biggest (not only, but biggest) areas of concern.

    Touch:
    61% completion on mostly checkdowns. You can't say his touch hasn't improved when he completes 61% of his dink and dunk passes. He made some bad throws, but nothing I haven't seen great QBs miss on occasion either.
    A Little Improvement

    Feeling The Rush:
    He was sacked 3 times. One was absolutely Ricky's fault. He literally bounced off his guy, who was a 2 steps from Henne. The first one Carrey was beaten badly and I don't think many QBs come out of that one without a sack. The last one, Henne took the sack and didn't try to force a bad play when we had a lead. Another sack was averted by Henne dancing in the pocket then took off for a first down.
    Moderate Improvement

    Decision Making:
    The same pass D last year that got 3 interceptions, didn't even sniff one this time. He didn't engineer many points, but he still took what the D gave him and had 3 (should have been 4) scoring drives.
    Great Improvement

    Accuracy:
    The Marshall Bomb drop was all on Henne, as were a few other drops. Some were on the receivers. The Fasano pass was art.
    No Improvement

    I see not just progress, but significant progress. A lot of people want Penny. They want Penny because he's a safe intelligent game manager. To those people I ask, how was Henne's performance different than a prototypical Penny outing? If he can play like Penny and throw like a cannon, then I'm not sure what else we can ask for as fans. That's exactly what we got yesterday.
     
  36. DePhinistr8

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    I think a lot of those dinks and dunks were the game plan, and if that was the game plan I think he executed it very well. You'll notice a lot of the passes Marshall caught were on short routes, which tells me they weren't even trying to challenge brownfield except maybe on a handful of plays.
     
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  37. the 23rd

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    next week will be a tremendous opportunity
     
  38. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I think what's being overlooked (somewhat) is the offensive gameplan didn't call for Henne to air it out. There's a reason they only went deep once, and that play was clearly set up by Miami being successful in the running game.

    Notice anything similar to 2008 with Penny? Ball control, turnover-free style of offense. "Don't lose the game on offense" was the MO. We won 11 games with that philosophy. I for one would love to see us have an aerial attack the rivals the Saints or Colts, but that's not apparently what this regime an OC have in mind.

    Henne was good, not great today. But as others have stated, the Bills secondary is excellent. They fly around the ball and rarely give up big plays. They're ballhawks. The fact that Henne had no picks is not only impressive, it's downright amazing IMO.
     
  39. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I'm late to this discussion, and dont feel like reading though all the pages.....

    I am lost on Henne, guys this game shouldnt have been this close at all, why do they continue not to use the shotgun?? Like last year?? Is the lack of the passing game yesterday, more of Henne not being able to find them, or the receivers not being able to get open downfield?? Way too many checkdowns for my taste....it seemed Polite was an actual part of the offense yesterday, as they went to him a decent amount...
     
  40. NJFINSFAN1

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    Henne after 1 game has a better passing rating than A. Rodgers in Green Bay.

    I wonder is the Packer fans are screaming about him today after a win?
     
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