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  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    FinFan316. I understand the frustration of a loss but just understand there is a disconnect between your perceptions and others perceptions. Since I dont share your frustration I'll just say what Ive seen from this team so far

    To begin we always start slow. This year its the same with one major difference, we've actually won and are heading into our 4th week (when we usually turn it on) with a winning record. Second, this team is flat out better than the 2009 or 2008 versions already and whats really exciting is that they should continue to get better as long as we stay injury free. The defense has the ability to dominate. Vontae is playing at a pro bowl level. Clemons is playing very good. Jason Allen slipped twice and had a questionable pass interference penalty called on him but other than that he played pretty well. Think about that for a second. He was responsible for 21 points but all of them came on freak plays. How many times is he going to slip on loose sod this year?

    We got our *** handed to us in the 1st qtr. You know what that means? It means Schottenheimer outgameplanned Nolan with his 1st 15 play script. Keller was the weapon and we had no answer until the 2nd qtr when we finally figured out a way to contain him. You can look at it negatively but I look at it positively. You will not always have the best game plan to start a game but the sign of a championship team is the ability to adjust. We absolutely outcoached on both sides of the ball for the final 3 qtrs and if it wasnt for some horrendous luck and some questionable referrieng we wouldnt just have won we wouldve blown them out.

    These things happen. There's no excuse. We played like crap and gave them the game but its going to happen. If it happens once every four weeks thats acceptable. If it happens every other week its not. Its too early in the season to have a firm opinion of any team let alone ours. Weeks 4 through 8 are the time when the season starts to take shape. I think we are fully prepared for the brutal schedule to come. I think you will be pleased by how we perform
     
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  2. FinFan316

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    And defending losers makes you seem like a loser...but take heart; you are not alone. There is plenty of company here.

    Emerson said once, "A individual with the truth is the majority"....

    I am not confused that everyone doesnt catch on...just a bit shocked at the number of "denialists" in our midst.

    No offense. :wink2:
     
  3. FinFan316

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    I hope you are right...but folding at home has a ring of years past...and predictable results. I hope I am proven wrong.

    Good news....The Fins have a chance to prove me, and every other doubter wrong Monday night.

    I expect the Patriots to trounce them...or actually, be in perfect situation to lose to the Fins, only to have the Fins bail them out and give them the game.
     
  4. Furious Yellow

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    Oh Really?

    You just called everyone who doesn't agree with you losers and then you complain about being insulted? Nice one.. :pity:

    As for everything else - I really don't believe we have a big enough sample size to make a decision either way.. D played well a couple of games and O played well this last one.

    But we have no idea yet if that's a true representation of our team, there simply haven't been played enough games..
     
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  5. GMJohnson

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    The only thing I'm defending here is common sense. Your'e proudly boasting about the strength of an arguement that is about as sturdy as a soup sandwich. It's both sad and entertaining...

    Your rant about us not being elite is by definition not the truth, because its your opinion. Had you made a factual statement like, no team has made the Super Bowl after allowing 31 points at home, then we'd be cooking with gas. Except the 2007 Giants allowed 31+ (35,38,41) points at home 3 times, and 45 at the Cowboys in the season opener. Any idea how their season turned out? I suppose they don't meet your personal standard for "eliteness", but they are World Champs, which is a more reputable standard for exellence, to say the least. In my opinion, teams who are ultimately successful are the ones playing on an elite level at the end of the year, not in Week 2 or 3. The Giants and Steelers were looking pretty good around Week 5 last year, how'd that work out for them?

    I'd suggest you head back to the drawing board, watch the game over a few times perhaps. Find out what actually happened and get back to us with some opinions that don't make you sound so naive.
     
  6. finfaninilinois

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    PREACH IT BROTHER 316

    ELITE TEAMS WIN GAMES AT HOME THAT THEY SHOULD WIN

    If we were and elite team our supposed franchise QB would have found a way to win the game, our supposed vaunted defense would not have let Sanchez (whom most members say is not as good as henne) score on their final drive.

    someone said ah we play them again - what do think is going to happen when the get revis and holmes back - elite teams take advantage of these situations!!

    sure Henne played well until our last 2 drives, then cough cough choke

    I understand were gonna lose games but that doesnt make it ok becasue we are 2-1

    remember this - understand your gonna lose games but never except and/or make excuses for losing those games
     
  7. FinFan316

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    Ok...point taken. I should have said, "all of those who are okay with losing..." It was easier to just say losers and I took the easy way out. I apologize.
     
  8. FinFan316

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    The 07 Giants. You are correct. They shocked the world, so, it can happen. In that game, their Dline absolutely dominated the oline of the Patriots and that catch...wow...what a play by that kid.

    Look, is it possible that the Fins could shock the world? yes? Is it likely? I doubt it. I think they are what we saw Sunday nite....a team that has the ability to play tough, but not the ability to win tough games against good teams.

    Hopefully I am wrong. And of course, this is MY opinion. Others will have different opinions. We'll have to wait to see who is right.
     
  9. FinFan316

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    Thanks bro. Its lonely sometime, but its just the way it is.
     
  10. resnor

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    I don't think people are making excuses for the loss. They're saying that it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. Its not the end of the season.
     
  11. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Uh huh.

    Listen, since you get it earlier than most can I get a line for this week's slate of games? I don't usually bet, but since you're in the know I figure what the hell why not since you're the smartest guy in the room and all. Oh, before I forget do you have an stock tips? That might be a big help too.........

    You have no idea what I am alright with or not, but as usual you know more than most I'm sure. What the hell, you know me better than I do. Why not.

    By the way, how many NFL teams have called you looking for you expert knowledge? I mean since you figure it out sooner than most every year someone must have noticed. You do realize that some of the people you'll talk to here are coaches, have inside connections to the Dolphins interview players, talk to them directly and even scout for an NFL team. These people have likely forgotten more than you actually know about football.........but you're the smartest guy in the room and get it sooner than most?

    In all seriousness do yourself a favor, calm down man up and stop whining. It was one game. Just one. No offense, but really? One game? For a team you actually have nothing to do with other buying tickets or jerseys and such?
     
  12. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    :jump:
     
  13. GMJohnson

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    Give him a break Con. He probably stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night :shifty:.
     
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  14. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I like this one:

    It's hard to see what's actually going on if you're head is up your ***.

    I can't remember who said it but it always stuck with me.
     
  15. unluckyluciano

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    If this were true there would never be such thing as an upset. But seeing as how upsets happen quite often and the elite teams still go on to do well, I think your reaction is a bit of an over reaction.
     
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  16. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I'm sorry, I just can't help myself today. I'll probably get a warning as my toes are right on that line I think, but some of the stuff in this thread is just...........

    You're so wrong.
     
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  17. DePhinistr8

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  18. FinFan316

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    Were you wanting to bet about the outcome of this season for the Fins? It kind of got lost in your litany of puns designed to demean my opinion. Thats fine, just saying I couldnt get your point from what you wrote.

    If others here are more qualified, so be it. Let them defend giving up 31 points at home, against a team in turmoil, missing key players, coming off our best practice in two years as elite. I would love to hear their explanation. The only caveat I have is they should identifiy themselves so we can objectively judge their expertise.

    No offense, but how many games does one need to wait? No offense, but people are all excited about this team being 2-1. No offense, but one of those teams hasnt won a game. The other team we beat only beat the Lions, who havent won a game. No offense, but what else do fans have to do with teams, other than buy tickets, jerseys, and offer opinions?

    And about that bet...i am all ears!
     
  19. FinFan316

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    OMG...hold me up. That was so funny. Good stuff, Johnson. :up:
     
  20. FinFan316

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    As opposed to having my head buried in the sand? :knucks:
     
  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    what's your take on the team going to be if we beat the patriots
     
  22. Vinny Fins

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    I believe there are TWO fundemental problems with the OP's (in addition tio how COMBATIVE he is) logic.

    Firstly, the notion that a home loss means you are not elite. Are the Vikings and Saints no longer elite? Dallas? Hell, If New England or the Colts drop one at home, are they charlatons? No. They are still first tier teams. If this was the case, every contender would go 8-0 at home. That's never the case.
    I see is going anywhere between 5-3 or 7-1 at home. That's acceptable.

    What will define this season however, is our ability to take our show on the road. We've proven we can overcome poor offensive play and deafining crowd noise, however on the 17th we'll need to out gun a team. Ditto on the last game of the season.

    This is a quality football team. Elite? No, even allowing for variations in the meaning of the word. It's an upper echelon team with great strengths at certain key positions and deficincies in a few others. However, this isn't the NBA or NHL, where half the teams get in. This also isn't the MLB where ONLY the elite get in. It's a middle ground where a third of the teams get in. Which means your UPPER ECHELON, not just your elite. As such, this is possibly a playoff team.

    Secondly, and the thing I take greatest issue with, is that an elite team always wins the super bowl. That is erroneous. The best most recent example being the New York Giants of 07. All you need to do is get hot with one component of your team for a littler under 2 months, hot enough to take the rest of the team on a ride, and you end up in the superbowl.

    That's my take, anyway. Feel free to call me a loser.
     
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  23. FinFan316

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    Ok. Lets take it from your point of view.

    Were we upset or are the Jets just better?

    If we were upset, is that ok? You are ok with that? Most here are. They are justifying the hell of getting smacked on Sunday night. Of course, they feign it with "its just one game" nonsense. But nonetheless, they find a reason to believe.

    If the Jets are just better...then there is really nothing to say. For us to eventually get where we need to be, we will have to "upset" them.

    My point is we were better (or should have been) Sunday night. But I also believe in what Bill Parcells says...You are what you are. You are better than teams you beat, worse than teams that beat you.

    So after that game, I think we arent nearly as good some here thought.

    I may be wrong. But, I doubt it. We'll find out in some measure Monday night. The Patriots have actually won some games. So if we do win Monday, it will be the first win against a team that has beaten someone other than Detroit. If we lose....all hell is going to break loose in Miami. :hi5:
     
  24. unluckyluciano

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    My point is your logic is flawed. just because we didn't win a game we should have does not render us a bad team or not as good. I am not sure if we are good or bad yet as we had our first loss, a game we could have won and IMO should have even if we did play bad. Either way your logic does not make sense or the original posters logic in saying good teams win those games and because we didn't we are therefore not a good team. It happens.
     
  25. FinFan316

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    Obviously we disagree. And I was told I should go shoot myself by someone who disagrees. I am not complaining, I am not asking the mods to jump in...just sayin'--some people take "disagreeing" very serious. I did refer in general to "losers" for which I apologized...but I was being lazy. No excuse.

    I will say this...I hope like hell I am wrong.

    I hope this Monday they put their foot up Brady and the Pats' candy ***. As grown men and professionals, the defense should be completely humilitated. We'll see.

    I am speaking my mind and offering my opinions but we'll see.
     
  26. FinFan316

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    ROFL...this is actually funny. Very funny.
     
  27. DePhinistr8

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    Last year the Saints lost to the Bucs in week 16 at home when home field advantage was still up for grabs between New Orleans and Minnesota.

    It didn't stop them from bringing home the Lombardi.

    Sometimes you just lose...be it by being outplayed, outcoached, lack of talent, whatever. Sh*t happens, and the bad guys in the other jerseys get paid too.
     
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  28. finfaninilinois

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    WHAT!!!! I am overreacting because i dont consider them elite??that is just my opinion.
    look do i think they can be good? yes but to say they are elite is just delusional
     
  29. FinFan316

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    Naturally, the Pats suck! :up:

    It would be nice to dominate them and make me totally look like a fool (I know, some of you guys are going to say I need no further help--I understand it). :hi5:

    If we barely win, hey, a win is a win (yes, even against Buffalo and the Vikes). We barely lost Sunday and I am throwing the team over the cliff...

    I think this league is about finding ways to win games. Eventually, you will have to beat tough teams. I think the Pats are a bit soft on defense, but their offense is good and they are well coached.

    So bottom line will be the bottom line...if we, then we have done all we can do to atone for Sundays fiasco. We cannot replay the Jets game. We lost a game we should have won. We can deal with it, learn from it, go forward. I still wont like it....:angry: But whatever...very few care what I think. And I am ok with that, really.
     
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  30. Vinny Fins

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    You don't have to be elite to win the superbowl.
     
  31. unluckyluciano

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    to make an entire tirade about how good teams win those games based on the team losing one game and agree with the original poster is an over reaction IMO.
     
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  33. adamprez2003

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    so are you saying if they rebound it will show what elite teams do after a tough loss. i dont think they're elite either but i haven't seen an elite team in the nfl since the 1995 49ers. i think nowadays you just need to be good and one of the signs of a good team is the ability to bounce back after a loss or poor outing
     
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  34. FinFan316

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    Sure it does. Is it ok?
     
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    Name one that didn't.
     
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    lmfao
     
  37. finfaninilinois

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    by defination any team that wins a superbowl is elite

    the choice or best of anything considered collectivley,as of a group or class of persons
     
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  39. finfaninilinois

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    look i you want to excpet losing that is your perogative, i will not

    in my opinion if any team or person excepts losing then they become content.
     
  40. Conuficus

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    You called everyone who disagrees with you a loser and you try to act like you're on the high road? You started it then say I'm not asking the mods to jump in............?

    You are too funny.

    Sure we can bet, I'll use your picks to make the bets this week and we'll see how you do. That's all I asked for, your picks for the teams this week so I can bet the games, as obviously as you said - you get it earlier than most. So being the smartest person in the room I'll defer to you. You're the bright one. :up:

    Oh, and stock tips. Don't forget those.

    The people who are scouts, coaches etc have identified themselves many times. Maybe you should look around a bit before asking all of them to make themselves known to you - as you are now here. Not that you'd be the one to figure out where you are, everyone else should let you know who they are. You may just want to give it time perhaps?

    No one doubts that you're sharing opinions and thoughts; its a message board.

    The thing may be the idea that 'you' are the brightest spark here and the general 'sky is falling' tone and attitude you came with when you presented you're ideas. Just an idea and all, but something tells me those little fopas may have something to do with how people take your ideas. Most people aren't that emotional, especially after Game 3 of 16. If this is how you do things, more power to you. But don't expect people to entertain these notions when you put this type of over reactionary, insulting and self gratifying thinking out there. If you're surprised that people come at you, well then, what can I say.

    People will treat you exactly as you have come across; like a......well I can't say it as frankly, you're not worth my first warning from the mods. If you want people to give you a little respect you may try giving it first instead of anointing yourself the guy who 'gets it earlier than most'. Or as you yourself said, 'it can get lonely sometimes.'
     
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